GUILTY SC - Shooting reported at Townville Elementary, Jacob Hall, 6, killed, Sept 2016

[oceanblueeyes]

(Gonna have to start a collection for Cariis to buy some tools!)

But on a more serious note, lots of things can be used as a weapon, that aren't intended for that. People are pretty resourceful.

Glad, very, very glad the 2 children and teacher will survive. I'm wondering now if the teen's father was shot. What a nightmare for the mother.

Yes, he died from a gunshot wound.

 

[K_Z]

The suspect called his grandmother FROM the school--from this timeline.

Shore said the teen called his grandparents on his cellphone at 1:44 p.m. The grandmother said he was crying and so upset she couldn't understand him, so she and her husband went to Osborne's home to see if their grandson was there. The grandson was not there, but they found their son's body.

At 1:45 p.m., a teacher called to report the shooting at the school.

http://www.wyff4.com/news/possible-shooting-reported-at-elementary-school-police-say/41866672

BBM

 

[K_Z]

In the hatchet did he actually hit anyone with it good lord

My mistake? I thought I read he attacked another student with it. Will look for that.

This says he DID attack another student:

A family friend of the suspect says the suspect was being home schooled, because he was expelled from his school last year.

They say the suspect was expelled for bringing a hatchet to school and attacking a child.

http://news10.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/

A family friend said the suspect was expelled from West-Oak Middle School after bringing a hatchet to school last year.

http://nbc4i.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/

 

[CARIIS]

sorry if posted

riving a pickup truck about 2 miles (3.2 km) to Townville Elementary School where he crashed into a fence surrounding the playground.

say was shot in the leg, remained in critical condition, Greenville Health System spokeswoman Sandy Dees said.

dont know name was there

280 students attend the school.

Earlier this month, a 14-year-old girl shot and wounded a fellow student at a rural Texas high school and then died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-south-carolina-shooting-idUSKCN11Y2PB

 

[K_Z]

In the hatchet did he actually hit anyone with it good lord

I edited my post above:

A family friend of the suspect says the suspect was being home schooled, because he was expelled from his school last year.

They say the suspect was expelled for bringing a hatchet to school and attacking a child.

BBM

http://news10.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/

 

[CARIIS]

My mistake? I thought I read he attacked another student with it. Will look for that.

This says he DID attack another student:



http://news10.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/



http://nbc4i.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/

Oh, come on - we had better find out that family services had opened a file on the family and/or given parents some directives in order for him or any siblings to remain in custudy of the parents.

that is obserd, like that is not a red flag that a very troubled young man, been exposed to violence , perped, alcohol, dv or something - for a little person to absorb that much rage comes from seeing it imo

I also thought everyone was ok, Rueters said one in critical??

oh , maybe they dont do that (family services ) pop is like 3000 wiki


I found calling gma not mom very telling .


This is interesting - I wonder if the "Osbornes" lived there ages.

Jeffrey Dewitt Osborne was found dead at this home on Osborne Road -

 

[K_Z]

Oh, come on - we had better find out that family services had opened a file on the family and/or given parents some directives in order for them to remain in custudy of the parents.

that is obserd, like that is not a red flag that a very troubled young man, been exposed to violence , perped or somthing -

Was this hatchet episode treated as a "school behavior" issue, or was it referred to police? Was it handled thru juvenile court at all? Why was this teen at home? Why not at least at an alternative school?

 

[K_Z]

Pic of the home scene in this article looks pretty rural.

http://wspa.com/2016/09/28/townville-elem-shooter-expelled-after-bringing-hatchet-to-school/

 

[Indy Anna]

As of 8 p.m. Jacob (pictured)

was still in critical condition according to a Greenville Health System spokesperson.

“We appreciate the community’s support, especially the Townville Rescue Squad, who treated Jacob onsite and brought him to the hospital,” Jacob’s parents, Rodger and Renae Hall, said. “We appreciate everyone’s thoughts and prayers and ask for privacy during this difficult time.”

Emergency officials said Jacob was critically injured, and if not for the intervention of first responders, the "outcome would have been very different."

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http://www.wyff4.com/news/possible-shooting-reported-at-elementary-school-police-say/41866672

Praying for full recovery for this little guy.

 

[Indy Anna]

Jamie Brock, 30-year veteran volunteer firefighter who responded to the school after the shooting, took down the suspect on the playground, Smith said.

Brock was not armed, officials said.

Sheriff John Skipper said Brock likely prevented more shots from being fired by confronting the shooter and taking him down.

"Mr. Brock is a big fellow," Skipper said.

Scott Stoller, with Anderson County Emergency Medical Services, said Brock wants to stay quiet and humble, and said he did "what any other firefighter would do."

Read more at ... http://www.wyff4.com/news/possible-shooting-reported-at-elementary-school-police-say/41866672

 

[katydid23]

Jamie Brock, 30-year veteran volunteer firefighter who responded to the school after the shooting, took down the suspect on the playground, Smith said.

Brock was not armed, officials said.

Sheriff John Skipper said Brock likely prevented more shots from being fired by confronting the shooter and taking him down.

"Mr. Brock is a big fellow," Skipper said.

Scott Stoller, with Anderson County Emergency Medical Services, said Brock wants to stay quiet and humble, and said he did "what any other firefighter would do."

Read more at ... http://www.wyff4.com/news/possible-shooting-reported-at-elementary-school-police-say/41866672

Thank Goodness for FireFighter Brock! Thank You kind sir. :star:

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Pictured: The hero firefighter who tackled South Carolina elementary school gunman, 14, to the ground after he shot a teacher and two six-year-old students and killed his father just three miles away

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...udents-South-Carolina-elementary-school.html#





Hero Jamie Brock

 

[CARIIS]

Pic of the home scene in this article looks pretty rural.

http://wspa.com/2016/09/28/townville-elem-shooter-expelled-after-bringing-hatchet-to-school/

auapended school last year,


rFrom above so we have a 14 yr , mom work dont know dad alone isolated no soicalization , out in the middle of nowhere, plenty of time to think and be online .

Obviouly there was stuff going on for the guy to get into hatchet , so now he is alone.

They did that to my kids, suspend, (only had a few expell that was worse) so now they are all alone (parent work)) what did they do -- got in more trouble

Obviously this is a general population that isnt all that into school in the first place, there kids, soo great I do something bad and I dont have to go for 10 days - awesome. Never made any sense to me !

Its actually postive reinformcent

I wanna be careful here - talking generaliites, not assuming anything - lets just go by basic demos. RUral, in all liklihood not a highly edcuated setting, Dad might be blue colar, maybe not all that educated himself, and is now tasked to "teach"

Who did he kill , dad? Who was teaching him? Possiblity Dad was a very short tmepred teacher. Obvously earlier hatched speaks volumes - so now we got a conflicted teenager, who has huge issues with his dad, being stuck at home with someone where there is much conflict , and possibly spending a lot of time with a frustrated parent/teacher.

AInt getting a good vibe. DOnt like the word snapped - it rarely is like that - but lets say the pressure cooker went off yesterday.

I still find it very infomrative that in his time of need he called gparent - kinda indicates to me that homelife all around was pretty intnese and conflicted. It also , seems like gma may have had to have been primary caregiver for him for some peroid of time

DV? All kids life he had to protect mom from dad??? Tough stuff, if that is it how it was, for llittle people to have to step into an adult role and protect the very people that are supposed to be keeping the little people safe. Really is confusing for little people.


Hate to say it ; there are all kinds of abuse....................

ANother general profile again, impulse control issues, anger, depression, lomliness, guessing conflicted marrage, ,o, dad financial stressers,kid has no hope for future, receipe again.

If it is accurate that he yelled out "I hate my life"I think that is kinda the perfect summary statement huh.................................

total specualtion

 

[CARIIS]

Was this hatchet episode treated as a "school behavior" issue, or was it referred to police? Was it handled thru juvenile court at all? Why was this teen at home? Why not at least at an alternative school?

I had lots of answers when I saw population 3,241 or something. UGH

Generally, rural folks are not all that fond of that therapy jazz!! "My kid aint no nutjob" " he just needs a good ole ass whipping and he be all steppin back shape"

" Now yeez all get offfa my property before i goes and getzzzz my rifle, dont y'all call my kid a mental whacko again, or I gonna hatchet yo to pieces for my alligators for a big tasty brunch"

Momma: "Thats right u tell them big Booby Jo Henry SMith the 8th"

humm humm specuating again!

 

[K_Z]

Careful cariis. Not all rural areas, or rural residents are like the stereotype you are describing.

But most rural areas do not have an abundance of adolescent psych services (inpatient or out patient)-- you have to go to "the city" for that, and even then there aren't a lot of resources for teen mental health. And going to "the city" takes a lot of resources that many rural poor simply don't have. Hotels, gas money, time away from work (and many are self employed in seasonal jobs), time away from home or other farm/ livestock responsibilities, strict insurance limits on mental health care services, etc. It's an enormous undertaking to have to uproot and go hundreds of miles away for psych mental health services for a child or youth. And if it's not clearly a "real" mental health problem (like schizophrenia), just a behavior problem, or depression, many parents (even in the big city!) would not necessarily seek high level psych mental health care unless by court order.

You might be surprised how good much of the "regular" health care is in rural America-- just not an abundance of specialists,or specialty services. I've worked in many rural hospitals where the surgical and post op care for "ordinary surgeries" was much, MUCH better than in the "big city".

 

[bluesneakers]

I had lots of answers when I saw population 3,241 or something. UGH

Generally, rural folks are not all that fond of that therapy jazz!! "My kid aint no nutjob" " he just needs a good ole ass whipping and he be all steppin back shape"

" Now yeez all get offfa my property before i goes and getzzzz my rifle, dont y'all call my kid a mental whacko again, or I gonna hatchet yo to pieces for my alligators for a big tasty brunch"

Momma: "Thats right u tell them big Booby Jo Henry SMith the 8th"

humm humm specuating again!

Say they were open to getting him therapy - was there even any kind of adolescent treatment center nearby? It seems to me simply suspending him after the hatchet incident w/o court ordered therapy (if they didn't - I'm not sure at the moment) suggests they wanted to dismiss the problem rather than address it. He needed help then and maybe that would have made all the difference.

I've known social workers who covered rural areas and all their patients were so spread out it was difficult to give all of them adequate treatment.

Did the school have a counselor and was he allowed to see him or her after he was suspended? If not - which I suspect - it's another example of them wanting to get rid of him instead of helping him.

JMO

 

[Ray_of_hope]

My mistake? I thought I read he attacked another student with it. Will look for that.

This says he DID attack another student:



http://news10.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/



http://nbc4i.com/2016/09/28/possible-shooting-reported-at-south-carolina-elementary-school/

Good grief! He was an accident waiting to happen. We need more mental health programs and respite for families going through hardships such as this. So they take him out of public school and home school him in order to keep the public safe but the family is at risk and may not be capable of helping such a child. And in the end no one is safe.

 

[K_Z]

If this town is only about 3200 residents, it's unlikely they have a lot of school resources, either. Many towns of that size have only the one public school, and no private or parochial schools. Added to that, a small school district often doesn't have the resources to have an alternative school, and sometimes joins resources with several neighboring districts to have an alternative school, which could be quite a long distance from a student's home.

Add to that a lack of public transportation, and a school district that might not have specialty "private" transportation services for a student to get to an alternative school, or a parent willing and able to drive, and it becomes easier to see why a family might choose to "homeschool" instead of the alternative school (if it even exists as an option).

There is also potentially the option of free or subsidized online K-12 academies, where a homebound student participates in "real time" in an online school forum, with live teachers available. I don't know about South Carolina, but if resources are scarce, the school board might pay for the online connection and provide a laptop if a bricks and mortar alternative school wasn't available.

In this day and age, kids at age 13-14 can't simply be expelled, without the school district being legally compelled to continue to provide an alternative method of instruction. However, the family is always free to reject whatever plan the school puts together to continue to educate the student.

 

[K_Z]

Townville is part of Anderson District 4 schools, but is close to District 5. District 5 has an alternative school. Still looks like this could be a fair distance from where this suspect lived. But it would have been an option, after he was expelled last year.

http://www.anderson4.org/schools

http://www.anderson5.net/alternativeschool

The Anderson County Alternative School is a public school program operated by a Board of Trustees that is comprised of representatives from all 5 Anderson County School Districts, a member of the County Board, and an "at-large" member from the Solicitor's Office. Our school is for students in grades 6-12 that have been referred to us from Anderson County Schools or through the court system. Specific enrollment criteria must be met prior to enrollment.


Our school has been in operation since 1996 and is a successful model for other alternative schools across our state and the country.
We are the only alternative school to offer a boot-camp format and one of the only alternative schools to serve expelled students.
Our school serves 20 schools across the county.
We have a very caring, capable staff to help students succeed.
We provide a very safe, structured environment for learning.
Our school offers most of the same courses as a student's home school.
We have a faculty/staff of 29 members. Our staff/student ratio is 1:4 at its maximum.
Our school has eight highly-qualified, certified classroom teachers.
Our school offers a broad range of guidance and counseling services.
Uniforms and security screenings provide a safe and secure environment for everyone at this school.
Our boot-camp program offers challenging physical training and discipline for young people to get their bodies and minds in shape.
Many of our students return to their home schools and continue to be successful in academics, the arts, and athletics.
Our former students go on to graduate high school, attend college, serve in our military, or join the work-force.
We want our students to succeed and we are proud of their accomplishments.

We are looking for students who make a real, honest commitment to being successful and getting their lives turned around. If a student meets the criteria for enrollment into our school, take a step to getting them back on track and contact our office at 864-260-5028.

BBM

 

[Dogface]

I had lots of answers when I saw population 3,241 or something. UGH

Generally, rural folks are not all that fond of that therapy jazz!! "My kid aint no nutjob" " he just needs a good ole ass whipping and he be all steppin back shape"

" Now yeez all get offfa my property before i goes and getzzzz my rifle, dont y'all call my kid a mental whacko again, or I gonna hatchet yo to pieces for my alligators for a big tasty brunch"

Momma: "Thats right u tell them big Booby Jo Henry SMith the 8th"

humm humm specuating again!

I think most of what you said are mostly mean, tired stereotypes of people who live in the country. With that little population density, for many specialty doctors there aren't enough patients to justify officing in such place and any mental health help is often state help or requires checking in to an inpatient program in another town, which may be far away and not covered by insurance. Thankfully, more and more therapy sessions are happening due to the Internet and the ability to skype, so more and more people are getting access to mental health care.

As far as education, rural areas face a lot of the same troubles as inner city schools. Inner city schools lack funding due to overcrowding and often low property tax values. Rural areas face it due to low population density and often many are tax exempt due to agriculture exemption often paying a very small amount.
I grew up in a town with less people than this town.