GUILTY SC - Walter Scott, 50, fatally shot by North Charleston PD officer, 4 April 2015 - #2

[minor4th]

Sorry, but this jury seems kind of stupid based on their questions and requests for definitions of very commonly understood terms.

IMO This should not be hard. It was video taped for crying out loud.


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[minor4th]

This is a first for me as well, I have never seen judge state the division of a jury while there is a possibility that deliberation will continue.

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It was part of the jury's note, which the judge read out loud in open court as he's required to do.

 

[CoolJ]

This guy shot an unarmed man in the back while he was running away. He then staged the crime scene. All caught on tape. He then was caught lying about the events. This should be a simple decision, and it seems it was for 11/12 jurors. Interesting to say the least.

 

[Jax49]

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/...cle_48ba1684-a10b-11e6-a639-a3b9a114da5f.html

12:45 p.m. After a break and discussing a few additional things with the attorneys, Judge Clifton Newman brought in the jury back in for the first time since Friday to answer their questions. He merged proposals from both the prosecution and the defense attorneys to answer their questions.

On why manslaughter was included, Newman said that there was sufficient evident for the lesser charge, and that it is standard for a lesser charge to be included.

Newman then explained the difference between manslaughter and murder, saying that manslaughter is essentially an unlawful killing without the malice needed for murder.

"You may not find the defendant guilty... (of either charge) unless you find state has proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt," he added.

After answering their questions, Newman dismissed the jury and said he would not take anything from them until 2 p.m. after a recess.

 

[Canaille]

This guy shot an unarmed man in the back while he was running away. He then staged the crime scene. All caught on tape. He then was caught lying about the events. This should be a simple decision, and it seems it was for 11/12 jurors. Interesting to say the least.

I agree. But, did the other officers on the scene testify? I'm wondering if they said the crime scene was staged.

 

[Tawny]

I agree. But, did the other officers on the scene testify? I'm wondering if they said the crime scene was staged.

The "expert witnesses" were mainly other NC officers and their testimonies were, for lack of a better word, condescending and flippant, IMHO.

 

[Canaille]

The "expert witnesses" were mainly other NC officers and their testimonies were, for lack of a better word, condescending and flippant, IMHO.

I really should have tried to attend this, assuming the public could get in.

 

[turaj]

Sorry, but this jury seems kind of stupid based on their questions and requests for definitions of very commonly understood terms.

IMO This should not be hard. It was video taped for crying out loud.


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I am getting vibes from this jury that some are not too savvy about even basic legal terms and maybe this is just beyond their ability to decide.

 

[Woodland]

Could be as simple as emotion clouding common sense imo - if the person on trial is suppose some sort of godly hero - how does one apply the criminal code meant for joe citizen?

 

[Woodland]

I agree. But, did the other officers on the scene testify? I'm wondering if they said the crime scene was staged.

Good question - but the video should have covered that no?

 

[Canaille]

Good question - but the video should have covered that no?

Maybe. If I remember correctly, Slager dropped something next to Scott. Could have been the taser gun that Scott took from him. None of the altercation is on video.

 

[Jax49]

Mistrial

(For real this time.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tt-after-traffic-stop/?utm_term=.5997038bded0

 

[Tawny]

 

[Woodland]

Maybe. If I remember correctly, Slager dropped something next to Scott. Could have been the taser gun that Scott took from him. None of the altercation is on video.

Thank goodness for the video - your memory is not all that correct imo.

 

[daisymae]

MSNBC is covering this

 

[Canaille]

Thank goodness for the video - your memory is not all that correct imo.

I just watched the video again. Where did the black officer come from in that video? Also, did he testify as to whether the gun dropped next to Scott was the taser or Slagers gun? I thought I remember audio of Slager and Scott wrestling. And I'm not trying to argue, but it seems like anytime an officer has shot someone that I've seen them drop a gun next to the victim. I always assumed it was the way officers immediately surrendered their gun or taser. Like placing their own evidence with the victim so that other officers may retrieve it peacefully. Maybe I've been wrong all this time?

In the years since this, I've been meaning to drive back there to see exactly what it looks like. Talk about a procrastinator, that I am.

 

[Woodland]

Defense attorney Andy Savage also thanked the jury.

"This is not a case about an individual or family," Savage said, adding the case is about "the state of South Carolina" -- not Walter Scott. "That's not to diminish Mr. Scott," Savage added.

"The rule of law has to be preserved in this country, and you have done that," Savage continued. "Thank you."

https://gma.yahoo.com/judge-declare...der-trial-204204552--abc-news-topstories.html

UBM - good luck with that America. Imo you have collectively brought on and or introduced a neo-wild west over color. Hopefully that will stay put and not migrate north.

I realize there are individuals that feel a guilty verdict was in order - but you have no standing or voice.

Jmo.

 

[Tawny]

I just watched the video again. Where did the black officer come from in that video? Also, did he testify as to whether the gun dropped next to Scott was the taser or Slagers gun? I thought I remember audio of Slager and Scott wrestling. And I'm not trying to argue, but it seems like anytime an officer has shot someone that I've seen them drop a gun next to the victim. I always assumed it was the way officers immediately surrendered their gun or taser. Like placing their own evidence with the victim so that other officers may retrieve it peacefully. Maybe I've been wrong all this time?

In the years since this, I've been meaning to drive back there to see exactly what it looks like. Talk about a procrastinator, that I am.

That would run the risk of an injured suspect (for lack of a better word) grabbing that weapon and using it. They secure their weapon in their holster.

 

[drjones]

there is no need to inject race into the discussion and doing so will likely get this thread closed.

did walter scott run while being detained? yes.

did he struggle with the officer while being tased and run again? yes.

did he have control of the officer's taser and actually tase the officer? unproven, highly doubtful imo, but claimed by the officer.

could anyone reasonably feel after watching the video that walter scott was an imminent threat to the officer when the officer decided to fire? i dont think so, and i honestly dont see how any reasonable person could feel that way.

i did not see all of the trial but i read all of the reports i could find. i simply do not believe that walter scott took the taser and tased the officer, and i dont believe that the officer was in fear for his life (or felt other lives would be imminently at risk) when he fired.

 

[Woodland]

The 'rule of law was preserved' as per Andy Savage?

What law? Thou shall kill runners? The most cursory analysis will determine much - if one looks.