Schiller Plans New Documentary for Court TV

[deanws]

Since I have never doubted Patsy wrote the note I have always wondered why she chose the foreign faction route. It makes me wonder what was going on in the world and in particular in the news when all this happened. Were there any foreign factions or news stories about anything like that in December 1996?
Background Information on Foreign Terrorist Organizations
Palestine Islamic Jihad-Shaqaqi Faction aka PIJ-Shaqaqi Faction, PIJ-Shallah ... Nonetheless, in December 1996, 14 MRTA members overtook the Japanese ...

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/rpt/fto/2801.htm

 

[Maikai]

Since I have never doubted Patsy wrote the note I have always wondered why she chose the foreign faction route. It makes me wonder what was going on in the world and in particular in the news when all this happened. Were there any foreign factions or news stories about anything like that in December 1996?

The OJ trial was still in the news--the first trial televised ad nauseum for months and months--Mr. "l00% innocent." (compare to percentages in ransom note--l00% chance of getting her back). Did someone want to top it? Nine years later, and we're still talking about JBR...and the ransom note.

Timothy McVeigh trial was just starting in Denver.

Remember the Beltway snipers? No one believed they were telling the truth in their notes, and most of the profilers were way off.

There is a dollar sign in the ransom note---think it's by $118,000, that looks like it was first written as a pound sign and then written over. Did the perp first write a character for currency from another country?

On the other hand, it was reported that the DNA is from a white male. Nothing ever reported if the DNA was good enough to send to a lab in Florida that can analyze race. In the case of Susannah Chase, they determined that her killer was either hispanic or American Indian. Her murder is still unsolved.

 

[Maikai]

I am not saying it wasn't a kidnapping gone bad, I don't believe it for a second, but nobody - but for the Ramseys - know for sure. My whole point is the contents of the RN is not evidence of ANYTHING! Nothing from it can be taken as fact, for just the reasons I pointed out./QUOTE]

The ransom note is mostly movie lines and themes. Someone had to have seen the movies to know the lines---and it wasn't Patsy Ramsey. You can't write what you don't know. The first 2/3's of the note is directing JR on the money and how to get JBR back--rather unemotional. The last part is full of sarcasm towards JR, and puts the blame on him if JBR is killed. It's almost like a second voice----or change in mood. The Boulder Camera ran a "movie line" contest every year---coincidence?

 

[Maikai]

published in January of l996. I don't know when the 1996 movie line contest was announced in the paper.


DAILY CAMERA
LOOK AT THEM: THE ANSWERS TO THE MOVIE LINES CONTEST...
Sunday, January 28, 1996
Section: ENTERTAINMENT
Page: 1C
By KATHRYN BERNHEIMER

Camera Film Critic


We've lost count. Once again, for we can't remember how many years, Marty Mapes and Andrea Birgers have won our annual Movie Lines contest. Of a possible 70 points, they got 51. They will win 30 free rentals from the Video Station.

We tried to make this year's contest easier than in past years, but fewer contestants played. Go figure.


But for all of you who played our game but didn't bother to send in your guesses, here are the correct answers.



1. "The deal is, the men in Denver are dead. No wonder I'm changing towns again," Whitney Houston says as she drives to Phoenix.


2. "Look at me," John Travolta repeatedly says as a form of intimidation - repeated with less success by other characters - in "Get Shorty."


3. "Houston, we have a problem," Tom Hanks, as astronaut Jim Lovell, reports a serious malfunction with notable understatement in "Apollo 13."


4. "It's good to be dead," Leslie Nielsen sinks his teeth into the line in "Dracula: Dead and Loving It."


5. "You're not anybody in America if you're not on TV. What's the point of doing anything worthwhile if no one is watching?" asks murderous, media-mad weatherwoman Nicole Kidman in "To Die For."


6. "What's the point of living in L.A. if you're not in the movies?" asks Delroy Lindo as a drug dealer who wants to become a movie producer in "Get Shorty."


7. "When you go home, do you ever sit there and wonder, "Who ARE these people? Where the hell did I come from?"' Holly Hunter wonders in "Home for the Holidays."


8. "This is my first time at the White House. I'm trying to savor the Capraesque quality of the experience," Annette Bening tells a black security guard - who knows exactly what she's talking about - in "The American President."


9. "Who's the boss between mommy and me? I'm the boss. Mommy is the decision maker, but I'm the boss," Woody Allen explains to his son in "Mighty Aphrodite."


10. "Sometimes it just takes a fairy," cross-dressing Patrick Swayze says of the magic he has worked on a town in "To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything! Julie Newmar."


11. "This kind of certainty comes once in a lifetime," Clint Eastwood says in wooing Meryl Streep in "The Bridges of Madison County."


12. "If this is dying, then I don't think much of it," Jonathan Pryce dryly quips on his deathbed in "Carrington."


13. "We don't have to like each other. We're family," Holly Hunter informs her sister in "Home for the Holidays."


14. "We're both named after great singers of the past who now do infomercials," says Alicia Silverstone, as Cher, of her pal Dionne, in "Clueless."


15. "God help me, I love thee," Gary Oldman proclaims to Demi Moore in "The Scarlet Letter."


16. "His best part was when he played the crippled gay guy who climbed Mount Whitney," John Travolta says of Danny DeVito in "Get Shorty."


17. "What's that odious smell? Teenagers!" Paul Freeman oozes in "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie."


18. "I don't blend in at a family picnic," Val Kilmer, dressed in black rubber, warns Nicole Kidman in "Batman Forever."


19. "I will maroon you on a rock ... instead of splitting you with my bulkhead as you deserve!," Geena Davis, a notorious lady pirate and scourge of the 17th century Caribbean, declares in "Cutthroat Island."


20. "You couldn't catch crabs from a $20 hooker," Walter Matthau snaps when Jack Lemmon boasts about his fishing prowess in "Grumpier Old Men."


21. "My bark is worse than my bite," Linda Hunt, as a wise willow tree, tells John Smith in "Pocahontas."


22. "I don't even know you," Steve Martin exclaims in chagrin after mistakenly being given a prostate exam in "Father of the Bride II."


23. "There are worse things than death - and I can do all of them," techonvillain Fisher Stevens threatens in "Hackers."


24. "Was that over the top? I can never tell," asks Jim Carrey, as the Riddler, after an especially zany outburst in "Batman Forever."

25. "I write doodads because it's a doodad sort of town," Jennifer Jason Leigh says in defending her writing in "Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle."


26. "Sometimes being a is all a woman has to hold onto," according to Kathy Bates, Jennifer Jason Leigh and Judy Proffet in "Delores Claiborne."


27. "Oh well, now I must die," Johnny Depp sighs after a sexual conquest in "Don Juan DeMarco."


28. "Rude and interesting are not the same thing," American Meg Ryan lectures Frenchman Kevin Kline in "French Kiss."


29. "I can tell when a woman wants me," Richard Gere tells Julia Ormond in "First Knight."


30. "You have a real gratitude problem," Chris O'Donnell tells Val Kilmer after saving his life without thanks in "Batman Forever."


31. "I have translated the hieroglyphics! They say, "We are watching you!'" Tim Curry burbles in his Romanian accent in "Congo."


32. "I'll be the judge of that," Sylvester Stallone intones in "Judge Dredd."


33. "This is as real as it gets," Gene Hackman informs the crew in "Crimson Tide."


34. "I know I'm not normal but I'm trying to change," says misfit Toni Collette in "Muriel's Wedding."


35. "It's airborne!" Dustin Hoffman says of the killer virus in "Outbreak."

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The OJ trial was still in the news--the first trial televised ad nauseum for months and months--Mr. "l00% innocent." (compare to percentages in ransom note--l00% chance of getting her back). Did someone want to top it? Nine years later, and we're still talking about JBR...and the ransom note.

Timothy McVeigh trial was just starting in Denver.

Remember the Beltway snipers? No one believed they were telling the truth in their notes, and most of the profilers were way off.

There is a dollar sign in the ransom note---think it's by $118,000, that looks like it was first written as a pound sign and then written over. Did the perp first write a character for currency from another country?

On the other hand, it was reported that the DNA is from a white male. Nothing ever reported if the DNA was good enough to send to a lab in Florida that can analyze race. In the case of Susannah Chase, they determined that her killer was either hispanic or American Indian. Her murder is still unsolved.

The small-case 'f' in 'follow' (first paragraph) looks more foreign.

 

[Maikai]

The small-case 'f' in 'follow' (first paragraph) looks more foreign.

I've never seen an f printed that way. One day, at a meeting, someone was writing on a board, and wrote an f that was similar. He was an engineer (American)--I asked where he learned to print that way, and he said probably from drafting classes. So, did the perp have a drafting background?

 

[Maikai]

I've just learned about Schiller hiring Linda as his housekeeper. What a cheap shot to try to get some inside skinny for his book!
"

Smart move in hiring Linda to get information. I wonder if that was before she found out she could make money from the tabloids? Also, what did she tell Schiller about the Ramseys while working for him? And what did she tell other people about the Ramseys while working for them?

 

[Eagle1]

"I've never seen an f printed that way. One day, at a meeting, someone was writing on a board, and wrote an f that was similar. He was an engineer (American)--I asked where he learned to print that way, and he said probably from drafting classes. So, did the perp have a drafting background?"

An engineer? Good catch, but who knows? Could be just an attempt to seem foreign, since it's well-known that this is a European trait. The overall big picture doesn't look like he's well-educated enough to be an engineer, or he wouldn't be into crime, right?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The ransom note is evidence. The words in it form an unverified claim by (hopefully) a future defendant. A defendant's unsupported claims before or after the fact are not evidence that establishes or proves anything unless they form an "admission against interest", a confession for example. Accordingly, an accused's unverified alibi or claim of innocence, is not evidence of innocence, even if written, given to the police, or left at the crime scene. And if a note left by a perp at a crime scene says that he is white and 6 feet tall, that can not be construed as "evidence" to exculpate a 5' 8'' black defendant, or incriminate someone who fits. Leaving a note saying you're "white & 6' tall" or "we're a small foreign faction" is simply a peculiar claim, not evidence of the perp's characteristics. Only validation can make such a claim evidence.

Suspicion of the R's, or any other local, flies in the face of evidence that clearly indicates a foreign involvement. And that's a fact.

 

[Brefie]

Suspicion of the R's, or any other local, flies in the face of evidence that clearly indicates a foreign involvement. And that's a fact.

Umm, no, it's not.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Umm, no, it's not.

Suppose you're the police, and the RN begins with "We are a group of individuals that represent foreign country X," but the rest of the RN is confirmed to be a lie.

If you have any intention of doing your job, you'll be contacting LE in country X. If you didn't contact them, your reason would fly in the face of the evidence. For all you know, they are able to help solve the case.

When they ask why you contacted them, you could legitimately explain that 'there was evidence left at a crime scene that indicated country X was involved.'

So, it is a fact there was evidence left at the crime scene that clearly indicated there was a foreign involvement. The RN author simply didn't specify which one.

 

[Toltec]

Why? Why?....says John of his daughters death.

This foreign faction did not state WHY they kidnapped JonBenet other than for money. Foreign factions usually take their collateral with them....and you would think they would also include their manifesto.

"Foreign Factions" usually kidnap the SONS....not the daughters.

 

[HeartofTexas]

So, it is a fact there was evidence left at the crime scene that clearly indicated there was a foreign involvement.

That could easily be the most erroneous statement I've ever read on WS. Just because someone says a "small foreign faction" is involved certainly does not make it a fact. I could tell you I'm a millionaire, too, but I wouldn't want you to believe me until you see the money. Anyone can say anything at any time... but saying it or writing it or emailing it doesn't make it true. There was never one iota of evidence at any point in this investigation that pointed to any foreign faction being involved in this pretend kidnapping.

 

[Tricia]

You, OTOH, come up with your own exclusive definition for the word evidence and then impose it on everyone. Thanks for the critique, though.

John Ramsey said it was an inside job. The FBI, Boulder Police, Boulder D.A's office, private investigators and the dog catcher could not find any connection to a forgein faction.

What do you know that not one other professional on the planet knows?

 

[Cranberry]

Just out of curiosity I was looking for another word for foreign faction in the Word thesaurus on my PC and put in communist party (I don't know any foreign factions off the top of my head) and it picked up "party" and it listed: group, individual and faction. Pretty weird huh? No foreign in there though.

 

[Brefie]

You, OTOH, come up with your own exclusive definition for the word evidence and then impose it on everyone. Thanks for the critique, though.

This is a joke, right?? The RN was full of 'untruths' yet YOU force your opinion that the perp is part of a foreign faction because the note said so.

I can repeatedly state my opinion, too, difference is I STATE itis my opnion.

Here is one for the road - PATSY WROTE THE NOTE.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The OJ trial was still in the news--the first trial televised ad nauseum for months and months--Mr. "l00% innocent." (compare to percentages in ransom note--l00% chance of getting her back). Did someone want to top it? Nine years later, and we're still talking about JBR...and the ransom note.

Timothy McVeigh trial was just starting in Denver.

Remember the Beltway snipers? No one believed they were telling the truth in their notes, and most of the profilers were way off.

There is a dollar sign in the ransom note---think it's by $118,000, that looks like it was first written as a pound sign and then written over. Did the perp first write a character for currency from another country?

On the other hand, it was reported that the DNA is from a white male. Nothing ever reported if the DNA was good enough to send to a lab in Florida that can analyze race. In the case of Susannah Chase, they determined that her killer was either hispanic or American Indian. Her murder is still unsolved.

Some of the big newspapers have online searchable archives going back decades.

 

[Brefie]

Why not get out your big eraser and erase 'foreign faction' from the RN, you'll feel better.

If you are looking for omission of facts - read Death of Innocence.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

If you are looking for omission of facts - read Death of Innocence.

Thats just propaganda.

BTW, are we erasing the '...but not the country that it serves' remark too? I mean, its an unvalidated claim therefore its not evidence either, right?

I still like the idea of news stories from 1996. Why doesn't someone start a thread on that?

 

[K777angel]

I don't hold out much hope that anything the media airs on the Ramsey case is going to be objective.
They have all run scared out of fear of being sued.

Why would Schiller be able to change that?
Especially with Court TV.
Weren't they sued also regarding the Ramsey case at some point?

There has not been a TRUE and objective documentary on the case yet.