Schoolboys get detention for refusing to kneel and "pray" to Allah in RE class

[Taximom]

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Exactly.
Its kind of disturbing that when these subjects come up the people that are most sensitive to anyone daring to not view Islam in the most enlightened terms are the first to slop Christians with the broad bigoted /right-wing/ haters brush?
Im a Christian.
I dont hate Islamics or Catholics.
I dont think anyone should be forced to worship in any capacity whatsoever that they dont want to.
(Or have crosses burned into their arms or any other nonsense perpetuated by idiots regardless of what faith they profess.)
Some of these posts are more about the writers hostilty towards Christians then anything having to do with the topic.

When non-Christians say "Allah" they do not mean my God.

Even though this was merely a "practical demonstration", the boys shouldn't have been required to do this, nor should they be punished for not doing so.

 

[Karole28]

 

[Toby]

Allah is not "another god," He is the same god by a name from a different language. It may surprise some to consider that English isn't God's first language.

Regardless, I see no reason why schoolchildren should be forced to pray to any deity. And in fact, merely going through the motions of an alien (to you) religion might well be seen as disrespectful to followers of that religion.

Oh really? Would you submit to forceful prayer (even simulated, which this may or may not have been- it seems more a forceful introduction into muslim prayer) to a god you did not follow?

Nova, I'd like to apologize for my reply to your post. I misunderstood your post, and replied w/ undue venom.
Regards,
Toby

 

[imthemom]

I agree with all who said Allah is not the same God Christian's worship. If so 911 would have never happend because the terrorist extremist want us to follow the Korahn and bow down to Allah, not my God. Anywho, no one should be forced to worship any God that they don't want to and I hope these parents get justice for their kids.

 

[BarnGoddess]

I agree with all who said Allah is not the same God Christian's worship. If so 911 would have never happend because the terrorist extremist want us to follow the Korahn and bow down to Allah, not my God. Anywho, no one should be forced to worship any God that they don't want to and I hope these parents get justice for their kids.

If we allow that God, Allah, El, Elohim, Eloh, Theos, Dieu, Yahweh, etc. are all used to desigate a supreme being, then we could all basically be praying to the same "God".

Now, we need to explore the prophets and diciples and their interpretation. The Bible is accepted in Judeo-Christian worship as the basis for beliefs of Jews and Christians. The addition of the New Testament proclaims Jesus as a sub diety. The Torah spells out specific edicts of worship and daily life of Jews. The Koran was the work to spell out the life and worship those who followed Mohammed, another prophet.

The big difference is in interpretation, obviously. I don't believe there is a true way, only our personal beliefs. Given the vast differences in each of the three major religions (Christianity, Judeaism, Islam), the will of God is interpreted through those who followed a particular follower, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed. I am particularly upset these days in the various interpretations of the Koran as a violent method to control and punish peoples of the world, beginning with their own people, especially the women.

 

[Texana]

I encountered the attitude of this teacher when I was taking my education courses for my teaching certification. One professor in particular just could not get that it was not the teacher's decision to make in terms of what violated a student's religious beliefs--he thought that since he considered meditation to be a perfectly harmless practice, no one else should have any objections. He never understood that it was not his opinion that mattered then or now.

Any time an authority figure decides what is important in terms of religion, we are one step closer to the Inquisition.

the Inquisitors generally believed they were saving souls from eternal damnation, so forced participation and conversions were justifiable rather than lame excuses of "all the same god anyway" and "disrespectful "not to bow down to someone else's god.

Once upon a time, we called the not bowing down to another person's god a matter of conscience, not disrespect.

 

[Ciara]

Its still a matter of conscience to me Texana. Good post

 

[absinthe]

So I guess Spanish speakers don't have the same god as Americans either, since they call him "Dios".

Allah is god in Arabic. Arabic-speaking Christians also use the word Allah to refer to God...the Holy Trinity in which all Christians believe.

 

[kline]

Actaully since a good number of Spanish speaking people would be Catholic I would consider 'Dios' to be the same God.
It isnt about the name anyway.
The way Fundamentalist Islamics view God and those who dont share thier beliefs is not Christianity by another name.
Far from it.
What most of this is really about is 'religion' .
Im a Christian and I have Faith in God.I have no use for stinking Religion.
Faith and religion arent the same thing.
Its Religion that is responsible for strapping suicide belts to teenagers in Palestine.
I have the same contempt for anyone commiting any act of violence, cruelty,or ignorance or any other mayhem in the name of Christianity as I do for those who do the same thing in the name of Allah.
I would have to conclude both sides of the fence have lost the plotline.
'By their fruits you will know them'

 

[becklynn]

So I guess Spanish speakers don't have the same god as Americans either, since they call him "Dios".

Allah is god in Arabic. Arabic-speaking Christians also use the word Allah to refer to God...the Holy Trinity in which all Christians believe.

I do not think how you say God offended anyone. We all believe different things. There is a boundry set by our Founding Fathers because religion is a personal issue. It is good to educate everyone about different religions but do not expect them to make an offering, like kneeling, to something they do not beleive. This is a bad teacher. When you train to be a teacher you are supposed to learn how to teach, not so much what but the steps to take to allow them to learn. This whole experiment or what is so far off it is not teaching. It is forcing everything they go against down their throat. Right off you have "thou shalt not have a god go before Me." Not quoting just going by memory. Thou shalt not beleive in false idols. You can learn about different religions but not have to concede your beleif is wrong to do it.

 

[Karole28]

If G*d and Allah are the same, where does the Koran stand on Jesus being the son of G*d who was sent and killed to save mankind?

(the very foundation of Christianity)

 

[Rino]

Secularists say the darndest things...

 

[becklynn]

Secularists say the darndest things...

I have thought that for awhile. This whole issue is keeping me and my BF at odds. We try to discuss but it all is based on his belief. Your comment came off as a little smug and that is how he acts. Like he knows because of faith.
The issue is about forcing a child to basically pledge to another religion. I do not see why anyone would agree that is ok. I guess like me they want to have a voice in how they feel. You can't suspend a kid or not kneeling to a different religion. I am an Atheist and I commend them for standing strong.

 

[4eyedbuzzard]

I have thought that for awhile. This whole issue is keeping me and my BF at odds. We try to discuss but it all is based on his belief. Your comment came off as a little smug and that is how he acts. Like he knows because of faith.
The issue is about forcing a child to basically pledge to another religion. I do not see why anyone would agree that is ok. I guess like me they want to have a voice in how they feel. You can't suspend a kid or not kneeling to a different religion. I am an Atheist and I commend them for standing strong.

I too, commend them.

At its core, belief (especially regarding the supernatural) is not really a choice one makes. After all the information and analysis and mind games, you simply believe something, or you don't. But you don't really consciously choose.

If your BF cannot accept and respect your core beliefs, as you accept his, he(and others like him) will likely treat you in a condescending manner if he believes this is a conscious choice you make. Ultimately, he doesn't want you to seek and find the truth, he simply wants you to believe as he does. In this sense, he is the one who is "lost", not you. And without mutual respect in a relationship, the outcome is inevitable.

...This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

 

[BhamMama]

If G*d and Allah are the same, where does the Koran stand on Jesus being the son of G*d who was sent and killed to save mankind?

(the very foundation of Christianity)

They teach that Jesus was the Messiah, sent by G-d (Allah) to save the world. They agree he was risen and sent to heaven to await the coming.

The difference is, they think he is coming back to be the leader of the Muslim nation.

Allah gave to the world Jesus, exalted him above all others, and supported him with the Holy Spirit as proof of his sovereignty (2: 253).

Mohammed was a prophet who claims he had revelations from G-d because the teachers of the day were perverting the word of G-d.

Islam was founded some 550 years after Christianity.

 

[Karole28]

They teach that Jesus was the Messiah, sent by G-d (Allah) to save the world. They agree he was risen and sent to heaven to await the coming.

The difference is, they think he is coming back to be the leader of the Muslim nation.

Allah gave to the world Jesus, exalted him above all others, and supported him with the Holy Spirit as proof of his sovereignty (2: 253).

Mohammed was a prophet who claims he had revelations from G-d because the teachers of the day were perverting the word of G-d.

Islam was founded some 550 years after Christianity.

They do not believe that Jesus is the Son of G*d.

 

[Rino]

They teach that Jesus was the Messiah, sent by G-d (Allah) to save the world. They agree he was risen and sent to heaven to await the coming.

The difference is, they think he is coming back to be the leader of the Muslim nation.


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They teach Christ was a prophet, not the son of God. They teach he was not killed, but "they" pretended to kill him and Allah raised him to to him.

 

[Rino]

I have thought that for awhile. This whole issue is keeping me and my BF at odds. We try to discuss but it all is based on his belief. Your comment came off as a little smug and that is how he acts. Like he knows because of faith.
...... I am an Atheist and I commend them for standing strong.

Doesn't that make you secularist? You both agree with me and called me smug :waitasec:

 

[Ciara]

They teach that Jesus was the Messiah, sent by G-d (Allah) to save the world. They agree he was risen and sent to heaven to await the coming.

The difference is, they think he is coming back to be the leader of the Muslim nation.

Allah gave to the world Jesus, exalted him above all others, and supported him with the Holy Spirit as proof of his sovereignty (2: 253).

Mohammed was a prophet who claims he had revelations from G-d because the teachers of the day were perverting the word of G-d.

Islam was founded some 550 years after Christianity.

They dont "exalt" Jesus above all others either....they do that with Muhammed

 

[4eyedbuzzard]

They do not believe that Jesus is the Son of G*d.

The Jews don't believe Jesus is the Son of God either, except in the sense that we are all sons/children of God. Is the "Christian" God other than the one Jews pray to?