SDSO...Reasons To REOPEN Rebecca's Death Investigation!! **LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION**

[SunnieRN]

Agreed!! Can it be posted here?

Interesting comment on the below site that I posted yesterday. Written by writeaboutit. A MUST READ.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/shenegotiates/2011/09/25/money-mystery-murder-in-spreckels-mansion-case/

 

[jjenny]

The only witness to be given a polygraph, AS, didn't pass a polygraph-instead polygraph results were inconclusive. But instead of being given a second polygraph, the examiner felt AS was "truthful" even though no conclusions could be made based on actual charts.

 

[SunnieRN]

Yeppers!!! Brilliant!!

At the very least, it's apparent that LE was investigating MS's accident as a possible child abuse case/homicide, based on the probable cause hearing of July 15, 2011 for search warrant (#41920).

Page 6, line 21, DDA Cano asked Det. Adkins:

Detective, what training and experience do you have regarding the investigation of child abuse?

Det. Adkins goes on to list his pertinent experience.

Reading down further, page 8 of the probable cause hearing, beginning @ line 19:

At approximately 648 in the morning, Coronado Police Department received a radio call of a female who had hung herself at the above listed address.

Based on Det. Adkins testimony in court, it does seem as if consensus had already been reached with regards to suicide (but I will add that Det. Adkins is with the Coronado PD & may have been out of the loop of RZ's death investigation).

Here's the part I find most interesting - on page 11, Det. Adkins conveys his reasons for wanting to seal the search warrant, one of the reasons being (lines 19-21):

We do not wish to divulge the information contained within these documents for fear that the perpetrators can destroy evidence.

This search warrant was applied for & granted on July 15, 2011. RZ died two days prior on July 13.

My question: Since Det. Adkins was clearly investigating MS's death as a possible child abuse/homicide case, and RZ had died 2 days prior, who is the possible perpetrator(s) that he feared might destroy evidence?

Certainly not RZ. She was deceased, so it was obviously impossible for her to destroy evidence if the search warrants were made public.

ETA: Gosh - after reading my post, I'm not sure if it even belongs in this thread. I apologize for the off-topic, but I was responding to an earlier post. Perhaps I should move it to another thread.

ETA II: If the medical personnel & LE had relayed their suspicions regarding possible child abuse/homicide to MS's parents, and these suspicions were relayed to other family members - in my mind, that may provide motive for RZ's death, if RZ was murdered. There - now I'm on topic.

But I would still like to know who Det. Adkins was referring to when he testified that he feared the perpetrators might destroy evidence.

 

[SunnieRN]

This is far from a complete list and again, many posters have expressed similar or the same sentiments.

Please post any other statements, articles, and/or information pertinent.

Again, if any of you are offended by my re posting of your ideas/links/posts, please let me know and I or if it is too late, I will remove or have a moderator remove the post.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

With regards to the total length of rope. Do the cut areas match up on the ends? Specifically the portion that hung over the balcony where AS cut her down?

 

[jjenny]

With regards to JS whereabouts during the time period of question- I don't believe the sheriff ever said he has RMDH videos, considering the search warrant doesn't even requests them-only the hospital videos.
Yet to radar online it was reported both JS and DS were accounted for beyond the shadow of the doubt. While DS reportedly was in the hospital during the time period of question, JS was not. He was at RMDH. But to the best of my knowledge, search warrant does not request any information from RMDH. So how were JS whereabouts for the time period in question verified "beyond a shadow of a doubt?"

 

[SunnieRN]

With regards to the total length of rope. Do the cut areas match up on the ends? Specifically the portion that hung over the balcony where AS cut her down?

Agreed and I apologize as I would have sworn I posted a post where you made that excellent point. I do apologize for missing it!!:waitasec: Me, after working last night :crazy:.

 

[SunnieRN]

With regards to JS whereabouts during the time period of question- I don't believe the sheriff ever said he has RMDH videos, considering the search warrant doesn't even requests them-only the hospital videos.
Yet to radar online it was reported both JS and DS were accounted for beyond the shadow of the doubt. While DS reportedly was in the hospital during the time period of question, JS was not. He was at RMDH. But to the best of my knowledge, search warrant does not request any information from RMDH. So how were JS whereabouts for the time period in question verified "beyond a shadow of a doubt?"

Thank you Jenny!!! Wonder how many other points I missed that you all posted?!:innocent:

 

[elementry]

With regards to JS whereabouts during the time period of question- I don't believe the sheriff ever said he has RMDH videos, considering the search warrant doesn't even requests them-only the hospital videos.
Yet to radar online it was reported both JS and DS were accounted for beyond the shadow of the doubt. While DS reportedly was in the hospital during the time period of question, JS was not. He was at RMDH. But to the best of my knowledge, search warrant does not request any information from RMDH. So how were JS whereabouts for the time period in question verified "beyond a shadow of a doubt?"

Well, Jonah told them he was at RMDH, so - according to the logic that Jonah telling them what was in the final voice mail was sufficiently evidentiary - I guess that also is "beyond a shadow of a doubt. The only thing "ironclad" about this case is LE's determination not to re-open this thing.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, since SDSD believed everybody they interviewed was truthful, then maybe whatever the witnesses said was considered proof enough. Considering the witness with inconclusive polygraph results was felt to be truthful and apparently was not asked to take the polygraph again-that would not be surprising.

 

[SunnieRN]

To go along with your post, we know that LE stated Dina and Jonah were at Max's bedside the entire night. We know now, that this is not true. Jonah stayed at a motel one night, as well as the fact that his location is unknown from approx. 1 am to 7 am the night Rebecca died.

This is a crucial discrepancy and a glaring example of the the investigation in general.

 

[SunnieRN]

Here I go again!! Cynic, as usual you show us the proof!! This needs to be here!

There are only 3 areas on the railing that are truly wiped clean as evidenced by a shiny black surface in each instance.

An approximately 3” area – from 18.25 to 21.25 inches on the “ruler.”
An approximately 1.25” area - from 27 to 28.25 inches on the “ruler.”
An approximately 1/2” area – from 32 to 32.5 inches on the “ruler.”

There is no area on the railing sufficiently wiped clean that would correspond with RN leaning over, and subsequently falling over, as law enforcement would have us believe.

I believe the 3” area might be explained by someone placing their hand on the railing.
Hand breadth:
In males, the right hand breadth varied from 7.30cm (2.87in) to 9.40cm (3.70in) (mean 8.45cm (3.33in) & SD 0.40)

and left hand breadth varied from 7.20cm (2.83in) to 9.40cm (3.70in) (mean 8.42cm (3.31in) & SD 0.40).


In females, the right hand breadth varied from 6.70cm (2.64in) to 8.80cm (3.46in) (mean 7.48cm (2.94in) & SD 0.38)

and left hand breadth varied from 6.60cm (2.60in) to 8.70cm (3.43in) (mean 7.42cm (2.92in) & SD 0.37).
http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijfs/vol1n2/hand.xml

The other two areas relate to the rope, as red fiber evidence is apparent on the outside edge of the railing.

 

[SunnieRN]

And your other post!

Here is another look at the railing:

 

[SunnieRN]

And this. Police incompetence, or something else altogether?

..val @ the hinky has also noted a possible 2 more footprints.

Valhall: "There are two more that I have identified. One very clear, the other questionable".


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/RZ/rz8671.jpg
------original picture---


http://www.thehinkymeter.com/images/RZ/rz8671marked.jpg
------outline of new footprints marked---

 

[Carpe Pacem]

SunnieRN, I envy your organized mind!

Thank you for this compilation.

Good work!

 

[SunnieRN]

Hey guys I just wanted to share this awesome detailed description of why Adam would not have needed a wooden table to cut Rebecca down.. Have to give props to an awesome commentor on Coronado Patch.. Take a look:

Thanks Smooth Operator!!

 

[Curious Me]

SmoothOperator, thank you for helping me understand that Adam didn't need to stand on the table. :thud:
Cynic had already blown my mind with the balcony facts. It's so good to see such sharp, intelligent minds working on this case that LE should admit they botched.

 

[SunnieRN]

SmoothOperator, thank you for helping me understand that Adam didn't need to stand on the table. :thud:
Cynic had already blown my mind with the balcony facts. It's so good to see such sharp, intelligent minds working on this case that LE should admit they botched.

Agreed!! If anyone finds any other posts appropriate to be placed here, please move them, as this is an ongoing record of events.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Would you please be so kind as to repost your excellent post with pictures here? Thank you!!!
Certainly fits the rigor patterns, does it not?

This is my hypothesis:
I believe Rebecca was murdered. I believe that the missing 10' of rope came from the other end of the 7' section trailing from her wrist bindings and was threaded through the tow rope handle woven into her foot bindings. I believe that rope was tied to the leg of the headboard of the bed and her neck ligature was tied to the footboard leg. I believe she was bound into a teardrop hogtie, much like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Model_in_suspended_hogtie.jpg

Reference photo #5,warning - graphic:
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ph...ad-at-mansion-20110715,0,6503880.photogallery

This accounts for her bent legs, the fact that there was a trailing 7' section of rope from her wrists but not her feet, why the tow rope handle was woven into the foot bindings, the missing 10' of rope, the second line of missing dirt on the railing from a rope, the way the bed is pulled away from the wall (if the rope were only on the footboard, the bed should have continued to travel across the room being pulled from the reported 600#'s of weight, it didn't. It was being pulled at an angle and the headboard ran into the wall, stopping the bed from moving further; different traction points), and the need for the gag. I also believe the gag was used to hold her head upright and pulled back, resulting in the hemorrhages to the SCM muscles.

Remember the discussion about TWO marks for the rope on the railing? And the missing 10' of rope?

For reference:
http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/images/rz8699.jpg

AR states that the knots on the neck and the one on her wrist were slip knots, so tossing her over like this would result in the tightening of both knots. The AR also stated that the rope exited through her fingers, as if she was holding the rope and some of her fingers were bloody with torn skin.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...ZTYzYmY5&hl=en

Page 8

There is an 84 inch segment of rope extending from a slip knot on the left wrist. This 84 inch segment pulls through the slip knot. This segment extends from the left wrist into the right hand and exits between the right index and middle fingers.

Page 11

On the posterior aspect of the radial right hand, there are four red abrasions ranging from punctate to 1/16 inch in diameter. On the medial aspect of the right third finger (the surface between the third and forth finger), over the distal portion of the middle phalanx, there is a 1/2 x 5/16 inch abrasion with skin tags on the palmar edge. On the medial right elbow there is a 1/8 inch, faint, pale red abrasion.

On the posterior mid left forearm there is a 1/8 inch red abrasion. On the posterior aspect of the middle phalanx of the left 3rd finger there is a horizontally oriented, 1/8 inch, linear abrasion.

Page 7

On the medial aspects of the base of the great toes there is dried and smeared blood. On the medial left great toe there is what appears to be a dried spot of blood with subsequent smear. There is a small amount of blood on the plantar aspect of the left great toe as well as on the platar aspect of the sole over the base of the right great toe. On the medial aspect of the left foot just anterior to the left medial malleolus there is a small amount of dried blood.

There is a small amount of dried blood on the posterior right 3rd finger and on the posterolateral aspect of the mid right 4th finger and distal right 4th finger.

Once she was tossed over, the ropes continued to get tighter, and the unnatural position she was in, combined with the tension on the rope rubbed the skin off her fingers and caused them to bleed, probably dripping onto her toes or she may have been able to touch her toes. If she had only tied her hands behind her back to keep her from grabbing the noose, she wouldn't have those bloody abrasions on her fingers.

Cynic, would you agree that the 1/2" mark was from the rope and there was significant tension on that rope?

There’s not much doubt in my mind on both counts.

This:
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/notes/timedeath.pdf
says that if the body is moved before livor is set, at 8 to 12 hours after death, the pattern can be changed without seeing the original pattern. The blood becomes completely fluid after death and settles to the lowest points in the body. It cannot clot any longer, so moving it before that certain time can result in the blood simply relocating to the new location. My understanding is that while livor mortis is useful, it cannot be absolutely depended upon for position at time of death. Rigor depends upon muscle mass, activity before death and temperature and can be quicker onset and duration if the death was especially active or violent due to the muscle activity before death.

The fact that she had livor red and fixed in her back after laying on the grass for 12 hours means little to nothing in my very humble opinion.

 

[SunnieRN]

Thank you so much IWannaKnow!!!!! I love that you added the text to your picture also! Brilliant and thank you again, so much!!!:great: