Search for Baby Gabriel now a murder investigation

[kissdegirl]

Police Classify Baby Gabriel Case As Homicide
Procedural Step Taken To Move Forward With Landfill Search
POSTED: 2:32 pm MST February 6, 2010
UPDATED: 6:05 pm MST February 6, 2010

After Saturday's announcement, McQueary said he was relieved.

"I feel a lot more comfortable now with the San Antonio Police Department, the detectives there, they are actually doing a lot more than everybody knows," he said.

McQueary said he will continue to look for more clues on the belief his son is still alive.

"Gabriel's out there and he's out there somewhere," McQueary said. "We're hoping to find him."

http://www.kpho.com/news/22486917/detail.html

I like that he says they're doing a lot more than anyone knows, which, we know that hasn't included a landfill search yet. That means they ARE doing something, and I think they have reason to believe he's alive...a tip or something.
I'm also hoping that classifying this as a homicide will scare the colonics out of TS and EJ and someone will start talking and give them that missing piece LE needs. Logan is confident, so I am too.
I will not give up hope...nope....too stubborn :snooty:

Also, thinking back to the original phone call between the reporter, EJ, TS and JS....when JS says all that stuff about Gabriel being hidden until he can be "filtered back into society", and "you realize you will be charged for this, EJ says "for what", and TS says "murder", I'm thinking that JS was asking EJ in effect are you sure you want us to keep hiding him? Even if they charge you with murder? EJ isn't sure about that, and sounds a bit nervous and surprised when she says, I guess, no one said anything about that.

For the first time, I feel like this next week will bring about something. EJ is concerned, and maybe she will want to talk with TS again...which if she does want to, that in itself speaks VOLUMES IMO. Either/or/and TS, of hearing the investigation into a murder will really freak her out. I don't doubt she would "self sacrifice" and serve a couple years, and even think it's worthwhile to keep a baby away from it's father...but to think about more time in jail for an accessory to murder....that's a whole different story. I don't think she'll be willing to do that!

I wonder if they've looked at TS's colonics place there in SA? Could that be the place money/laptop/cell phones are hidden? Just curious.
ETA...finding my own answer to SA colonics place...lol [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679440&postcount=15"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ-Gabriel Johnson, 8 months News Media and Updated Information ONLY. No Discussion.[/ame]

 

[not_my_kids]

I take LE saying that they have to investigate everything, as was the direct quote, to mean homicide as well as missing. I just don't think they had termed it just a homicide investigation.

Now that it is no longer a dual investigation, SAPD had to pick one and they have more leeway with a homicide and more time to prosecute. So now the term of only homicide is on it.
I still don't see anything new about this. I'm not arguing that's just how i see it based on the statements that were already out there. I don't plan to let this worry me.

 

[panthera]

Sorry, I meant to quote Mels3kidz's post about the FBI being involved from the beginning. I'm surprised, too, that there aren't federal charges, considering the entire crime spanned multiple States. Maybe in the future? I could see the Federal Government not charging on a custodial interference case, but a kidnapping?

I just remembered that this came up in the Lauterbach case (because of perp and victim both being in the military) and I think we found out that the Feds tend to allow States to prosecute first.

Thanks for the reminder about that case. So actually she could be facing charges from Arizona, Texas and the Feds. Good to hear!

 

[Prof]

That's the media giving their interpretation of what Horn said. They've misinterpreted more than once.

If anyone has a direct quote of any Tempe PD officer saying that they have ever had an open homicide investigation in this case, I'd sure like to see that. I'd definitely want to show it to Gabe's family. Logan's dad, who is Tempe LE, would be particularly surprised.

Here is a direct quote from the Chief of the SA PD:

Posted on January 29, 2010 at 9:24 PM
Updated Friday, Jan 29 at 9:24 PMhttp://www.azfamily.com/news/San-Antonio-police-plan-to-search-landfill-for-missing-Tempe-baby-83091942.html

"We have not opened a homicide case," said Chief Bill McManus. "We're still considering it a missing persons case. And we're meeting to determine how to proceed in the next couple days."

http://www.azfamily.com/news/San-An...landfill-for-missing-Tempe-baby-83091942.html

and another:

Last Update: 1/29 10:07 am

"If we had reason to believe that the baby was dead, then we would open up a homicide case," Chief McManus told News 4 WOAI. "But right now, that's not the case, and the Baby Gabriel case remains a missing person case.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...eful-Baby-Gabriel/tPKoEF7Bckm2kgjxjd0rFA.cspx

oh I get frustrated with sloppy reporting, too and we all do
BBM You are replying to my statement about Tempe with quotes from San Antonio, just to be clear

I know that there are statements out there from Tempe -- it was big news two or three weeks ago - of course the reporters sort of self-plagiarize if you will and simply update previous online articles and post them like they are new!
There are many older versions of that ABC article floating around the web
This is from the 19th when the pictures of Gabriel in the hotel were mailed

Reported by: Christopher Sign ABC15.com staff, wire reports
Last Update: 5:33 am

TEMPE, AZ -- Police confirm to ABC15 there are two, separate, yet parallel investigations involving the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

A team of detectives are working a missing persons investigation and a homicide investigation at the same time because it is unknown if boy's mother gave the child away or killed him.

Tempe detectives have also released photos taken of the baby boy who has been missing since his mother left Tempe with him in late December.

Tempe Police Lt. Mike Horn said in an e-mail that the pictures were taken from Elizabeth Johnson's camera when she was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida nearly two weeks after the pair went missing.

Horn told ABC15 a group of investigators from the FBI, San Antonio Police Department, Maricopa County Attorney's Office and other agencies are actively involved in the case across the country.

Johnson was indicted by a grand jury Thursday.

 

[Prof]

I am with you, on this not being new NMK -- no new evidence, just needing to cover all bases

Go Armes!

 

[BeanE]

I agree that it is unlikely that there is new evidence of a homicide.

 

[Ives]

I personally would rather EJ went to a Good "ol reg state penn, I have heard the feds is a cakewalk, and if your gonna go, then feds is the way to go. IMOO.

Logan will be on the news here tonight, I believe, maybe they will shed some more light on this info. Heard a blurb during commercial. New clues? or just the latest, and Gabriels daddy in town. I'm not sure, chasing/dressing kids when I heard it.

 

[Ives]

I agree that it is unlikely that there is new evidence of a homicide.

How long would it take for forensics on the car? Not long right? I'm definately thinking too long since they got the car right??

 

[Prof]

Also, thinking back to the original phone call between the reporter, EJ, TS and JS....when JS says all that stuff about Gabriel being hidden until he can be "filtered back into society", and "you realize you will be charged for this, EJ says "for what", and TS says "murder", I'm thinking that JS was asking EJ in effect are you sure you want us to keep hiding him? Even if they charge you with murder? EJ isn't sure about that, and sounds a bit nervous and surprised when she says, I guess, no one said anything about that.

Snipped for space

I agree that first phone call was abnormal-- but I thought Jack made that statement about waiting until Gabriel can be filtered back into the system on NG
regardless, did you notice that after the second interview as reported (not taped or discussed by reporter who was with Tammi) , Tammi said that EJ was told by this couple in SA that she should not worry, because they will keep Gabriel under the radar until he is old enough to enter back into the system and not be recognized?

I thought this a strange coincidence, maybe just because I have no ideas about illegal or underground adoption, but EXACTLY HOW does Jack know about illegal or underground adoptions and waiting until babies are older to enter them into the system? He said this weeks before Tammi reported EJ as saying this!

Is it just my clueless self? or is this the standard thing you hear said when a baby goes missing?

It has always bugged me -- very hinky
Did EJ get that language from Jack or Tammi in that first interview? or did Tammi feed those lines to EJ like she did with the "and Logan pushed you off the ledge" statement in ther first interview? or did TayJay and EJ get that information from the underground ahead of time?

Bringing this back, I do agree that they have not jumped on the landfill because the evidence weighs more on the side of an underground adoption in SA
Where's that witness who saw EJ and a couple on Christmas day? Why is he not allowed to do the media circus i mean circuit?:waitasec:

 

[Amster]

I refuse to believe that Gabriel is dead.

Just let me have 2 minutes with Elizabeth....or 1....or 30 seconds...

 

[BeanE]

How long would it take for forensics on the car? Not long right? I'm definately thinking too long since they got the car right??

Well forensics tests take varying amounts of time, depending what they find that needs to be tested. Can be days, weeks, months.

 

[BeanE]

Snipped for space

I agree that first phone call was abnormal-- but I thought Jack made that statement about waiting until Gabriel can be filtered back into the system on NG
regardless, did you notice that after the second interview as reported (not taped or discussed by reporter who was with Tammi) , Tammi said that EJ was told by this couple in SA that she should not worry, because they will keep Gabriel under the radar until he is old enough to enter back into the system and not be recognized?

I thought this a strange coincidence, maybe just because I have no ideas about illegal or underground adoption, but EXACTLY HOW does Jack know about illegal or underground adoptions and waiting until babies are older to enter them into the system? He said this weeks before Tammi reported EJ as saying this!

Is it just my clueless self? or is this the standard thing you hear said when a baby goes missing?

It has always bugged me -- very hinky
Did EJ get that language from Jack or Tammi in that first interview? or did Tammi feed those lines to EJ like she did with the "and Logan pushed you off the ledge" statement in ther first interview? or did TayJay and EJ get that information from the underground ahead of time?

Bringing this back, I do agree that they have not jumped on the landfill because the evidence weighs more on the side of an underground adoption in SA
Where's that witness who saw EJ and a couple on Christmas day? Why is he not allowed to do the media circus i mean circuit?:waitasec:

Personally, I think that hiding the baby thing came up originally in the phone call prior to what was taped, which they've only released a few little clips from. Boy would I ever like to hear that whole thiing.

I have more of a feeling that EJ brought it up, and that Tammi and Jack were simply repeating what EJ said.

 

[Ives]

Going to watch the news, If anything revealing on, I will be back, but otherwise, good night!

 

[BeanE]

Maybe they haven't had a public announcement of their homicide investigation until now, but I have no doubt homicide detectives have been working on this case before today.

Now that I can most definitely agree with.

 

[Ives]

So, The meeting with LM promted the "Official" murder investigation today, They will/are continue to follow up on other leads, Mcmanus did not look to optimistic when saying they have some things they are not sure will even pan out. plan to search the landfill as soon as weather permits(it was sunshine today, and yesterday, but just had a week of rain, FYI)
Landfill is their #1 priority now. and the homicide investigation is in conjunction with the missing persons.

I'm not very good at this, but I know it takes Ksat.com time to put their stories up sometimes.

ETA- Looks like the same thing that was posted earlier in the day.

 

[mitzi]

Police Classify Baby Gabriel Case As Homicide
Procedural Step Taken To Move Forward With Landfill Search
POSTED: 2:32 pm MST February 6, 2010
UPDATED: 6:05 pm MST February 6, 2010

After Saturday's announcement, McQueary said he was relieved.

"I feel a lot more comfortable now with the San Antonio Police Department, the detectives there, they are actually doing a lot more than everybody knows," he said.

McQueary said he will continue to look for more clues on the belief his son is still alive.

"Gabriel's out there and he's out there somewhere," McQueary said. "We're hoping to find him."

http://www.kpho.com/news/22486917/detail.html

This statement from Logan is very encouraging! God Bless him and his family. Praying for a positive outcome.

 

[BeanE]

oh I get frustrated with sloppy reporting, too and we all do
BBM You are replying to my statement about Tempe with quotes from San Antonio, just to be clear

I know that there are statements out there from Tempe -- it was big news two or three weeks ago - of course the reporters sort of self-plagiarize if you will and simply update previous online articles and post them like they are new!
There are many older versions of that ABC article floating around the web
This is from the 19th when the pictures of Gabriel in the hotel were mailed

Reported by: Christopher Sign ABC15.com staff, wire reports
Last Update: 5:33 am

TEMPE, AZ -- Police confirm to ABC15 there are two, separate, yet parallel investigations involving the disappearance of 8-month-old Gabriel Johnson.

A team of detectives are working a missing persons investigation and a homicide investigation at the same time because it is unknown if boy's mother gave the child away or killed him.

Tempe detectives have also released photos taken of the baby boy who has been missing since his mother left Tempe with him in late December.

Tempe Police Lt. Mike Horn said in an e-mail that the pictures were taken from Elizabeth Johnson's camera when she was arrested in Miami Beach, Florida nearly two weeks after the pair went missing.

Horn told ABC15 a group of investigators from the FBI, San Antonio Police Department, Maricopa County Attorney's Office and other agencies are actively involved in the case across the country.

Johnson was indicted by a grand jury Thursday.

BBM. Nope. I definitely wasn't replying to your quote about Tempe with quotes from SA. Just to be clear, I replied to your quote about Tempe and the other poster's quote about Tempe with this:

That's the media giving their interpretation of what Horn said. They've misinterpreted more than once.

If anyone has a direct quote of any Tempe PD officer saying that they have ever had an open homicide investigation in this case, I'd sure like to see that. I'd definitely want to show it to Gabe's family. Logan's dad, who is Tempe LE, would be particularly surprised.

Sorry you missed it.

To be even more clear, my quotes from the SAPD chief were in response to the comments from the other poster I quoted in my post regarding SA.

Neither Tempe nor SA PD had an open homicide investigation until yesterday, when SA began theirs.

Facts are facts. Some people like 'em, and some people don't. I appreciate that Tricia does. It's one of the things that makes WS the best crime forum on the net, instead of just another rumor mill.

 

[BeanE]

This statement from Logan is very encouraging! God Bless him and his family. Praying for a positive outcome.

Very encouraging indeed! I was so glad to see that.