Second autopsy and other objects with touch DNA

[BBB167893]

I have waited a long time for this my little green friend.

1-4 numbered like the LLRN lol

1) hmmmm sounds seductive
2) Wasn't Doug Stein like really young? I was thinking BDI + young adult, perhaps a 3-way mutual friend, BR+JB
3) yeah, other than the 'sexual abuse' I wonder whether PR could reasonably rely on JR to keep quiet over the years.
4) I don't know what most 'normal' kids would do if asked by a friendly stranger at 6 y/o. The least JB needed to do was either unlock the door at an earlier time or give a stranger a house key, etc. JB differs from a lot of kids in that she interacted w/ lots of adult strangers as a beauty queen. Other parents could give very stern warnings not to talk to any adult strangers or open the door for any stranger.

There are a couple of stories of preteens finding love with like a 40 y/o on the internet, and meeting for sex.

1) Well, you can make up your mind at your leisure.

2) If memory serves, Doug Stine was 13-14 years old.

3) Mm. While I happen to subscribe to the sexual abuse theory (more on that later), it helps to keep something in mind: JR had been married once before. He cheated on wife #1 and got caught. She gave him the heave-ho. JR is a man of considerable ego (that's not an attack, per se; most successful businessmen are like that). For him to make such a serious error in judgment reflects very badly on him. In other words, for him to turn PR in, he would have to admit to himself and the world that he screwed up his first marriage only to marry a monster. (A monster in his mind.)

4) She didn't just interact with them, voynich. She flirted with them, to use PR's own words. (We know what THAT's a sign of, right?) But leaving that aside for a moment, yes, I can see how JB would be less inhibited.

 

[voynich]

1) Well, you can make up your mind at your leisure.

2) If memory serves, Doug Stine was 13-14 years old.

3) Mm. While I happen to subscribe to the sexual abuse theory (more on that later), it helps to keep something in mind: JR had been married once before. He cheated on wife #1 and got caught. She gave him the heave-ho. JR is a man of considerable ego (that's not an attack, per se; most successful businessmen are like that). For him to make such a serious error in judgment reflects very badly on him. In other words, for him to turn PR in, he would have to admit to himself and the world that he screwed up his first marriage only to marry a monster. (A monster in his mind.)

4) She didn't just interact with them, voynich. She flirted with them, to use PR's own words. (We know what THAT's a sign of, right?) But leaving that aside for a moment, yes, I can see how JB would be less inhibited.

1- Ok. I actually am thinking of another line of investigation.

2- I guess my ?'s are along the lines of his height, strength, whereabouts, intelligence, etc.

3 - I suppose has to balance against the possibility PR will accuse him entirely.

4- Actually, it's not uncommon for even 6 y/o girls to 'flirt' with boys and men, in terms of smiles and winks. Esp one trained to be a beauty queen. it is the nature and extent of this flirting.

 

[BBB167893]

1- Ok. I actually am thinking of another line of investigation.

Be more specific.

2- I guess my ?'s are along the lines of his height, strength, whereabouts, intelligence, etc.

That I can't help you with.

3 - I suppose has to balance against the possibility PR will accuse him entirely.

He may have forseen that, as well.

4- Actually, it's not uncommon for even 6 y/o girls to 'flirt' with boys and men, in terms of smiles and winks. Esp one trained to be a beauty queen. it is the nature and extent of this flirting.

Well, the way PR said it showed she was worried. Which is ironic, because she hired all these trainers to get JB to do that stuff.

 

[voynich]

Be more specific.



That I can't help you with.



He may have forseen that, as well.



Well, the way PR said it showed she was worried. Which is ironic, because she hired all these trainers to get JB to do that stuff.

1 - well you know how I like making new posts

here's what i've been thinking in 1 sentence

what-if after reporting to LE of RN, the LE order everyone to leave the house on the grounds it is a crime scene (except JR for phone call) seal it off, and then start investigating top to bottom for evidence?

you don't have to respond now as I plan to offer some lines of thoughts on this.
2- ok
3- if so he may be the Sith Lord we've been looking for with that kind of foresight.
4- she should then consult w/ child expert.

 

[JMO8778]

1) Well, you can make up your mind at your leisure.

2) If memory serves, Doug Stine was 13-14 years old.

3) Mm. While I happen to subscribe to the sexual abuse theory (more on that later), it helps to keep something in mind: JR had been married once before. He cheated on wife #1 and got caught. She gave him the heave-ho. JR is a man of considerable ego (that's not an attack, per se; most successful businessmen are like that). For him to make such a serious error in judgment reflects very badly on him.

Indeed.It's the reason a lot of businessppl go to church and get involved in their community and w charities.Men and women alike.They need to keep up their reputation.I'm sure JR was no different,in that respect.In his mind,it would have reflected terribly on him to reveal his wife had killed their daughter,even if it was accidental.

 

[Ames]

Indeed.It's the reason a lot of businessppl go to church and get involved in their community and w charities.Men and women alike.They need to keep up their reputation.I'm sure JR was no different,in that respect.In his mind,it would have reflected terribly on him to reveal his wife had killed their daughter,even if it was accidental.

Yep, and I am quite sure that he would have been fired from his prestigious job, too. No more millions for HIM.

 

[voynich]

Yep, and I am quite sure that he would have been fired from his prestigious job, too. No more millions for HIM.

IF PR did it alone and without JR's participation, and confesses to JR ad JR turns her in, and so was entirely blameless, I doubt he'd be fired, and if he was, he'd have grounds for a major lawsuit. This would be conceptually similar to federal whistle blowing laws.

That is Sith-RDI thinking.

As an IDI-Jedi I'd think he'd be called a hero the way Theodore Kacyznkis brother was. Was his brother fired from his job for turning in his terrorist brother?

Did that happen to anyone else who turns in their criminal spouse or sibling?

 

[JMO8778]

Voynich,I don't see it as about being fired,it's about his reputation.As a CEO and businessman,he would not have wanted that stigma on him.Even though he likely would have garnered some sympathy,he was married to this person...she was his wife! It's a lot different than turning a brother in.She lived w him and she was a part of him,literally through JB.To him,she was the arm candy of the deal...he was supposed to have nothing less than a charming,publicly like-able wife with a good reputation..someone who would never ever harm their child!

 

[voynich]

Voynich,I don't see it as about being fired,it's about his reputation.As a CEO and businessman,he would not have wanted that stigma on him.Even though he likely would have garnered some sympathy,he was married to this person...she was his wife! It's a lot different than turning a brother in.She lived w him and she was a part of him,literally through JB.To him,she was the arm candy of the deal...he was supposed to have nothing less than a charming,publicly like-able wife with a good reputation..someone who would never ever harm their child!

Ames said "fired from his job" and as lawyers use case law to make their case, the facts of such a scenario would be similar to cases involving federal whistle blowing.

I agree w/ what you say, but he has to also consider the risk to his reputation that "hiding behind lawyers", he sexually molested JB, he killed JB, he's getting away with bloody murder, and the suspicion it creates, as well as possible indictments for obstruction of justice, would have if he was 100% innocent, but knowingly went to great lengths to protect his guilty wife. The alternatives are also unappetizing.

 

[JMO8778]

I agree w/ what you say, but he has to also consider the risk to his reputation that "hiding behind lawyers", he sexually molested JB, he killed JB, he's getting away with bloody murder, and the suspicion it creates, as well as possible indictments for obstruction of justice, would have if he was 100% innocent, but knowingly went to great lengths to protect his guilty wife. The alternatives are also unappetizing.

I suspect in the end,given the circumstances,he had no other choice.

 

[BBB167893]

1 - well you know how I like making new posts

here's what i've been thinking in 1 sentence

what-if after reporting to LE of RN, the LE order everyone to leave the house on the grounds it is a crime scene (except JR for phone call) seal it off, and then start investigating top to bottom for evidence?

you don't have to respond now as I plan to offer some lines of thoughts on this.

I'll wait.

2- ok

Sorry.

3- if so he may be the Sith Lord we've been looking for with that kind of foresight.

You're not the first to make that comparison! But to me it's simpler than that: there is no honor among thieves.

4- she should then consult w/ child expert.

I think that could have saved a lot of trouble.

IF PR did it alone and without JR's participation, and confesses to JR ad JR turns her in, and so was entirely blameless, I doubt he'd be fired, and if he was, he'd have grounds for a major lawsuit. This would be conceptually similar to federal whistle blowing laws.

I don't think it's a question of being fired. I think it's more a question of his ego.