Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #5

[geevee]

Here, here! I often wonder why I'm so drawn to this case, and why I think about it as much as I do. When I'm at work, I listen to the JA trial for fun. For FUN, people! I must be crazy. But for me, it's the fascination of the case and how it played out in court. Court proceedings just fascinate me--it's like a giant game of chess. I'm probably the only person during jury duty who is just PRAYING to get picked! LOL! Oy.

Kate

My apologies for not noticing you were new to this particular addiction - welcome to the group, Kate! :greetings:

 

[Hope4More]

Just chiming in here, because I know you guys love hearing from the new gal (snort!). For me, at least, it's the totality of the circumstances that suggest Travis's addiction is sexual in nature. If we look at the gchat itself, TA admits openly how much he hates her, how selfish and horrible she is, and yet (as with MOST of their conversations) it gradually takes on a sexual tone. IF the addiction TA is referring to is NOT sexual, then what is it? We know he's not addicted to her sterling character.

Though, in all fairness, he could have been addicted to their toxic, chaotic cycle (not JUST the sex, but that in which sex played a major role). Again, all conjecture. But certainly not a random guess, either. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to support his addiction was sexual in nature. I'll spare everyone from posting the quotes and links, etc. because they would be numerous.

And I would also like to say how much I appreciate everyone's differing views and opinions. Where else can we have an intelligent discussion on this topic? IRL, people just blink at me when I try to talk about this stuff. lol And none of this may matter in long run, but it's certainly great mental exercise. :c)

Kate

Within a few short minutes into the chat Travis is calling her a . He asks her if she's checking out Danny Jones. He mentions Kyle Kimball and moving on to the next dick..

It's sexual, immediately. It is not about FB for a good long while. Why's that, if what he's most pissed off about is her hacking his FB?

80% or more of the chat is directly related to lies lies lies. Tires and journals rate a few lines of 15 pages and then that topic is gone too. Lies lies lies.

Lies and lies and more lies and his asking her why she hates him, to just say she hates him.

Do you think he keeps asking that because he's in love with her? Because he wants to have sex with her?

Do you think he asks her about whether she's whorring around, to use the term she pulled out to change the topic back to sex, because he's jealous?

As an aside....because the man used the word addiction on one day of his life to a does not make him addicted to sex, much less addicted to sex with her.

 

[kmp3]

My apologies for not noticing you were new to this particular addiction - welcome to the group, Kate! :greetings:

Thank you, Geevee!

Kate

 

[kmp3]

Within a few short minutes into the chat Travis is calling her a . He asks her if she's checking out Danny Jones. He mentions Kyle Kimball and moving on to the next dick..

It's sexual, immediately. It is not about FB for a good long while. Why's that, if what he's most pissed off about is her hacking his FB?

80% or more of the chat is directly related to lies lies lies. Tires and journals rate a few lines of 15 pages and then that topic is gone too. Lies lies lies.

Lies and lies and more lies and his asking her why she hates him, to just say she hates him.

Do you think he keeps asking that because he's in love with her? Because he wants to have sex with her?

Do you think he asks her about whether she's whorring around, to use the term she pulled out to change the topic back to sex, because he's jealous?

As an aside....because the man used the word addiction on one day of his life to a does not make him addicted to sex, much less addicted to sex with her.

Well, the speed in which it becomes sexual depends on one's interpretation of the sequence of the gchat--which, you yourself have pointed out. I don't have access to BK's site currently, so I can't rearrange the texts for myself. Boo.

I didn't mention FB, so again, I'm not sure where that comes into our discussion.

And in all respect (of course) this is the question I put to you: If TA was NOT addicted to JA sexually then why would he equate her to Satan on May 26, and then end up in bed with her on June 4? Those are both facts that we have available to us. How do you reconcile those two facts? I am genuinely curious.

Kate

 

[FinallyRegistered]

I think the whole discussion is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Question: This BK stuff has gotten under my skin for a long time and I need to get type this out ... Yes, I understand that the texts, journals, and emails are published on her site for a fee and she has rights to them, but where did she get them? Did she pay the court clerk for the records? I mean, I'd rather pay the court for my own copy of the records and share them openly with you guys. The thought of paying BK so that she can profit off TA's once-private records ticks me off. And then, if I take it a step further, I get really ticked when Hope4More is restricted and can't share her own personal work. (Basically, my question is, where do I get my own copy that is not OWNED by BK?)

I will say: I am not addicted to cheesecake; however, if you place it in front of me, I will find a fork, and you better get out of my way.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Here, here! I often wonder why I'm so drawn to this case, and why I think about it as much as I do. When I'm at work, I listen to the JA trial for fun. For FUN, people! I must be crazy. But for me, it's the fascination of the case and how it played out in court. Court proceedings just fascinate me--it's like a giant game of chess. I'm probably the only person during jury duty who is just PRAYING to get picked! LOL! Oy.

Kate

OMG, OMG, OMG, I do this, too!!! :loveyou:

 

[Hope4More]

May 22. Early AM. Travis speaks with the by phone. This is after she has texted him about having to go see a lawyer, screwed the pooch, messed up big time, the stuff about you was the least of it, and it's the same conversation in which she admits to masquerading as MariaM.

Travis doesn't speak or text with her after that until the evening of May 25. She assigns May 22 as the day they "broke up." Again, I guess. And her explanation for what happened in her journal is all about passwords revoked and jealousy. The same story she manufactured for the May 9th fight.

He didn't call her or initiate contact with her on May 25. She called him, a continuation of her attempts to engage him by phone. He told her no, to send him an email.

He didn't initiate contact with her on the 25th, nor start a fight with her about FB. His first replies to her email were by text, and they have nothing whatsoever to do with FB....or about sex.

 

[kmp3]

I think the whole discussion is brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Question: This BK stuff has gotten under my skin for a long time and I need to get type this out ... Yes, I understand that the texts, journals, and emails are published on her site for a fee and she has rights to them, but where did she get them? Did she pay the court clerk for the records? I mean, I'd rather pay the court for my own copy of the records and share them openly with you guys. The thought of paying BK so that she can profit off TA's once-private records ticks me off. And then, if I take it a step further, I get really ticked when Hope4More is restricted and can't share her own personal work.

I will say: I am not addicted to cheesecake; however, if you place it in front of me, I will find a fork, and you better get out of my way.

That's a great question about the BK site. They must be public record...somewhere.

And I'm assuming you don't think the cheesecake is satan or is slashing your tires, and is therefore safe to eat. lol Addiction is knowing something is bad for you, but being unable to resist it anyway. Like my addiction to chocolate. Or wine. :c) Ka

Kate

 

[kmp3]

OMG, OMG, OMG, I do this, too!!! :loveyou:

Oh, thank God! I'm not alone. LOL!


Kate

 

[TexMex]

Travis "started this fight"? What makes you think that?

Why do you think he is telling her over and over that she doesn't care about him? That she hates him? That he means nothing to her?

You believe Travis when he says he's addicted. Leaving June 4th aside- stick to the 15 pages of the chat itself, which is the only time he says anything remotely similar, where do you see any evidence in anything he said that indicates the "addiction" he is referring to, taken at face value, refers to sex?

Travis called her out on invading his privacy. As she's done 30 times before. That's ok but if you want nothing to do with her don't give her the satisfaction. Change your phone number. Change your passwords. Don't engage in phone sex. Sign off social media for a few months. Don't poke the crazy by calling her names. There's two ways to handle it and he chose confrontation. She baited him into engaging with her and he did.

TrialWatcher responded to the six times he said he was addicted to her much more eloquently than I can (especially after 7 beers) right now. But IMO it's sex and the repititive cycle they've been in. Shes a sociopath. She has established the pattern and he cannot break it. She's that manipulative.

He's also likely been schooled on possible sex addiction after meeting with the bishop and elders for a repeat offense with Jodi.

 

[Hope4More]

That's a great question about the BK site. They must be public record...somewhere.

And I'm assuming you don't think the cheesecake is satan or is slashing your tires, and is therefore safe to eat. lol Addiction is knowing something is bad for you, but being unable to resist it anyway. Like my addiction to chocolate. Or wine. :c) Ka

Kate

They're not public records. Trust me, if they were, all of them would have been here a long time ago.

BK has sources and she also has paid a lot of $$ to get access to what she has. She isn't profiting off JA case documents. Too little interest in them, but even if there was more demand, I doubt she'd break even, much less profit.

For myself, I am incredibly grateful she invested the time, effort and funds she did to blog PP2 so well (no tweeter came remotely close to equalling her notes), and even more so that she bothered to get hold of the texts (can't count the times I've mentally thanked the volunteer decoder over there who spent months making the texts usable.

 

[kmp3]

May 22. Early AM. Travis speaks with the by phone. This is after she has texted him about having to go see a lawyer, screwed the pooch, messed up big time, the stuff about you was the least of it, and it's the same conversation in which she admits to masquerading as MariaM.

Travis doesn't speak or text with her after that until the evening of May 25. She assigns May 22 as the day they "broke up." Again, I guess. And her explanation for what happened in her journal is all about passwords revoked and jealousy. The same story she manufactured for the May 9th fight.

He didn't call her or initiate contact with her on May 25. She called him, a continuation of her attempts to engage him by phone. He told her no, to send him an email.

He didn't initiate contact with her on the 25th, nor start a fight with her about FB. His first replies to her email were by text, and they have nothing whatsoever to do with FB....or about sex.

Ok, so, again...he hates her on May 26th and ends up in bed with her on the 4th. How are we reconciling this? If it's not addiction, then it's.....convenience/availability of sex (as FinallyRegistered suggests)? Fill in the blank for me here.

Kate

 

[kmp3]

They're not public records. Trust me, if they were, all of them would have been here a long time ago.

BK has sources and she also has paid a lot of $$ to get access to what she has.

Ah, ok, that makes sense.

Kate

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Yes, the reasons behind the May 26 argument are ALL interpretation/speculation. JA's threat about the bishop may be a fact, but unless it can be connected to the May 26 argument, then it's irrelevant as a catalyst. And I have no idea how the issue of privacy intrusions or FB is relevant at all to what we are discussing--so I can't really answer to that.

Just curious, because I am interested in looking at all sides (so I am not asking this in any way to be disrespectful). When TA says he is addicted in the gchat (twice), what do you think he means by that? What is he addicted to?

Kate

I don't remember what show, Nancy Grace,48 Hours etc. that Stephen and Samantha in a interview said that Travis was addicted to Jodi sexually.


The pants color in the photo were because of process of retrieving the deleted photos. I can't recall if she said her pants didn't have zippers in her interrogation with Det. Flores.


Was it in Juan's book that said the bishop that Travis had already or would be talking to was Mimi Halls father?

One that has always had me puzzled were the sex photos being so crappy. Jodi said that she and Travis had a photo shoot where she wore his dress shirts, and something about it so she could see the monogram of his name in the cuffs? as she gave him a bj.

There are also a few photos of Jodi wearing a mans dress shirt (a light blue and dark blue), while laying on a brown leather and one the floor, facing the camera. In the light blue shirt photo, to the right you see a door cracked open, and a man with dark hair looking down. Jodi is again facing the camera. Who was the man behind the door? You know it wouldn't of been Travis.
I've have wondered if the man was Matt M., and they were making them to blackmail Travis. Her hair is still blonde, but has two inches of roots showing. So it was after she met Travis and before she left Mesa in April. Why such a difference in quality?

 

[FinallyRegistered]

They're not public records. Trust me, if they were, all of them would have been here a long time ago.

BK has sources and she also has paid a lot of $$ to get access to what she has. She isn't profiting off JA case documents. Too little interest in them, but even if there was more demand, I doubt she'd break even, much less profit.

For myself, I am incredibly grateful she invested the time, effort and funds she did to blog PP2 so well (no tweeter came remotely close to equalling her notes), and even more so that she bothered to get hold of the texts (can't count the times I've mentally thanked the volunteer decoder over there who spent months making the texts usable.

Thank you for the clarification; it is all clear now and I'm sooo glad I don't need to be pissy about it anymore.

 

[kmp3]

I don't remember what show, Nancy Grace,48 Hours etc. that Stephen and Samantha in a interview said that Travis was addicted to Jodi sexually.

Yes, it was the 48 hours interview. Samantha said "she was like a drug to him."

And the pictures...I'm not sure. I know the pic you are referring to, but I wasn't looking close enough to notice a man behind the door. Or maybe the resolution was crappy.

Kate

 

[pocketaccent]

Ok, so, again...he hates her on May 26th and ends up in bed with her on the 4th. How are we reconciling this? If it's not addiction, then it's.....convenience/availability of sex (as FinallyRegistered suggests)? Fill in the blank for me here.

Kate

I truly believe whatever pattern they were in was broken after May 26.
I'm beginning to think she raped him on June 4th.
No, I don't think she said -if you don't have sex with me, I'll kill you -not like that though.

 

[FinallyRegistered]

Ok, so, again...he hates her on May 26th and ends up in bed with her on the 4th. How are we reconciling this? If it's not addiction, then it's.....convenience/availability of sex (as FinallyRegistered suggests)? Fill in the blank for me here.

Kate

I did this manipulation to a guy in my late teens for years. I hate typing that, but, it is what it is. He didn't call it addiction (he had a more robust vocabulary than mormans are allowed to use). Generally, she was way more powerful than he had the skills to deal with.

However, I still doubt they had sex that day, but that's because I don't trust the timestamps, etc.

 

[Hope4More]

Travis called her out on invading his privacy. As she's done 30 times before. That's ok but if you want nothing to do with her don't give her the satisfaction. Change your phone number. Change your passwords. Don't engage in phone sex. Sign off social media for a few months. Don't poke the crazy by calling her names. There's two ways to handle it and he chose confrontation. She baited him into engaging with her and he did.

TrialWatcher responded to the six times he said he was addicted to her much more eloquently than I can (especially after 7 beers) right now. But IMO it's sex and the repititive cycle they've been in. Shes a sociopath. She has established the pattern and he cannot break it. She's that manipulative.

He's also likely been schooled on possible sex addiction after meeting with the bishop and elders for a repeat offense with Jodi.

There is no evidence that TA spoke to a bishop (s) about transgressions after January 2008, much less those involving the . I don't anything about Mormonism except what I've learned from this trial, but somehow I doubt Mormon bishops would school TA on "sexual addiction." Not seeing it...

Without context, the listing of addiction mentioned once, twice, thrice, even a plethora of times doesn't equate to definition or demonstrate significance, IMO.

That Travis was murdered by the suggests it would have been better if he had simply cut her off altogether when she left Mesa (tho he did change his passwords more than once, BTW).

It's possible that he didn't for reasons we don't know about, or for reasons we can guess might be that don't have anything to do with sex, much less her drama which IMO he clearly loathed.

Who's to say how she would have reacted had he cut her off entirely in early April, or even before that, while she was still in Mesa? Given the rage she was already feeling and expressing, maybe she would have just killed him sooner.

 

[kmp3]

I truly believe whatever pattern they were in was broken after May 26.
I'm beginning to think she raped him on June 4th.
No, I don't think she said -if you don't have sex with me, I'll kill you -not like that though.

I would offer the below pic as a argument against the rape theory. Also, the shower pics don't suggest someone who was recently raped. Obviously we don't know for sure, but a pretty safe bet, imo.

http://crimeandcourtsnews.blogspot.ca/2013/02/jodi-arias-trial-oral-and-anal-sex.html#.VujgpJMrJ24

Kate