Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #5

[b_lab7410]

I always say I am addicted to cheesecake. I love it, can't turn it down no matter the consequences. I sometimes go very long periods of time when I don't have it but as soon as the opportunity to have it comes around, I am there. But...I do quite well during those times that I do not have it, so I doubt that my body requires it to function the way a body can require fixes with drug or alcohol addiction.

I know that there is such a thing as sexual addiction, but I do not think Travis suffered from this disorder. I think he was hooked on the pleasure he got from the kind of kinky sex JA offered. He ran with a crowd that was less likely to be so inclined. He liked it, alot. I see no actual evidence of real addiction, though. IMO he said he was addicted to sex the way I say I am addicted to cheesecake.

Technically speaking, they do say sugar acts like an addictive chemical on the brain.. ahh.. :escape:

Mine is dark chocolate. Oooh, yum.

 

[Hope4More]

Ooh, snap, I wonder if Hope will tomato you for that... :tomato:

Lol, I feel we are all a great bunch. :websleuther:

Oh....I'll definitely be sleuthing my vegetable basket, looking for the optimal produce for this occasion.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Ooh, snap, I wonder if Hope will tomato you for that... :tomato:

Lol, I feel we are all a great bunch. :websleuther:

She did, I ducked and I know I can outrun her. Yes, we have a good gang of posters on here.

Now consider this everyone.... did Travis possibly suffer from Madonna/ complex? If you're not familiar with it, it's interesting. Gotta' run now. Cya all tomorrow.

 

[Hope4More]

Now that is really cool hunh? I'll think of your geriatric old butt while my whippersnapper arse is out tonight. You know I love ya, and I am just kidding. G'nite Granny. G'nite everyone!!

Mind your curfew, young lady.

 

[TexMex]

Yes but there is a difference between "addiction," and "compulsive behavior." And what he was doing, was more in line with compulsive behavior. One of those is hereditary and the other, can be dropped once you see it might be the bearer of psychopathy. I really don't think she could hide her excitement and premeditation but as I said before... I'm in the category of people shall I say, that believe she acquaintance/date-raped him into submission that day. He seems devastated in all of those pictures. Usually a 'self-loathing' booty call will at least feign some interest, he seems as if his stomach is literally tied in knots.

I think he did what he had to do to survive that day with her borderline butt breaking and entering - which she did often - slept in his house unannounced and stuff.

True. He wasn't a sex addict. IMO But he used the word, addiction to describe that compulsion...not in the clinical definition...his own description of the cycle he found himself in.
Jmo But
I do not think he was thrilled about what happened early in the day, June 4. But jmo he willingly had sex with her, took photos of her. But five minutes after they were done he was more than ready for her to get back on the road. She didn't.

 

[franquerolane]

I have no doubt he welcomed her visit on June 4th. She was supposedly bringing him his most important possession, his stolen journals.

 

[geevee]

Blame Tex, he started it. :laughing: I am just de-stressing.

Why, I do and did. That's the "y'all" part. . You'd think I'd have figured out by now how to do multiple posters' multiple quotes, but nope.

Then again, I've recently become a senior citizen -officially- and still, to this very day, do not know how to tie my shoes. You can imagine how grateful and relieved I was when Velcro came along.

See that little "quote"* icon on the far right of the Reply area? Click on that for a post you want to include (a check mark will appear next to it after clicking), then hit 'Reply with quote' on another post, voila, both posts are quoted in your post.

 

[b_lab7410]

True. He wasn't a sex addict. IMO But he used the word, addiction to describe that compulsion...not in the clinical definition...his own description of the cycle he found himself in.
Jmo But
I do not think he was thrilled about what happened early in the day, June 4. But jmo he willingly had sex with her, took photos of her. But five minutes after they were done he was more than ready for her to get back on the road. She didn't.

I personally think he wanted to scream, but went into shell-shock, and just laid there wondering when she was gonna leave from the minute she started in on him but hey... we'll never know.

He may have been in control of his words, but his feelings went deeper than the language he used to describe his experience with Arias. That's because she's just totally inexplicable, I think some of us have this same problem. Is she a crazy b&tch? A nuthouse? A psycho? A narcissistic psycho? A borderline? A borderline narcissistic psycho? A sociopath? A '?' A freak? Evil incarnate? I myself have trouble labeling her or my 'interest' in her 'persona' or the effect she has had on my own psyche. She's an abhorrent creature. Guaranteed Travis didn't get grasp his compulsion towards her or put his 'addiction' into perspective, she killed him, we don't have that diary entry. I think if he were to get more personal about her, he'd have realized it was about him*, not her. She set him up, took advantage of a weakness, I don't think he'd want to sleep with someone he called a sociopath, resolution communicated, .38 caliber stolen, I mean it pretty much speaks for itself for me. Perhaps danger/adrenaline changed his mind when he saw her there? I don't know if she found him pliable for sex at all, quite honestly.

I've met men who rejected the idea of sex with women after a while. Even if they gave in initially and argued with their exes. He didn't really have as much sex with her as I think some may believe. They did have some distance towards the end. Either way, what she did to him was heinous.

And I think I need some Zzz now ya'll. Lol, goodnight!

 

[Val1]

Oh, so it was more than just white is "non-descript"? Lots of people own white cars, if it wasn't the same type, how was she going to pin that on the roommate?

My first thought when people were saying she claimed to have parked in the driveway the whole day, what if the roommate comes home while she's parked in his spot...:

http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/g...nto-evidence-jodi-arias-murder-trial#slide=19

 

[Val1]

I've seen that pic before, but not the man's head down thar in the corner. Hmm. Wonder if this pic was part of a ......professional portfolio?

Iirc TA and JA actually had a chat about these pics and JA had said something about how lucky she was got have got this photographer to do them before he left town... or something to that effect.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

You have expressed this more articulately than I could. I also don't see any ignorance or lack of compassion on the topic of addiction. I've noted the opposite from those who are trying to be precise about the language that is being used and what it might reflect.

Travis' repeatedly emphasised his addiction to Arias, precisely and clearly. Travis wasn't applying any kind of 'clinical' definition to his addiction to Arias. He wasn't a phychiatrist diagnosing himself but describing how he would allow her back in even though she was ruining his life. Far from displaying ignorance examples of his friends and family detailing a drug-like dependency to Arias were quoted A wider context also was given. What do you think Travis meant when he told Arias repeatedly that he was addicted? Please exclude a 'clinical' definition as Travis didn't use the word in that way and neither did I. What was he addicted to and recognised that he couldn't break - from his own words? To claim Travis broke off contact with her after May 26 is demonstrably untrue. Why would he ever speak to her again, never mind do so for around an hour and respond to her texts with even one word if he had broken free?

 

[Deleted member 122533]

Actually, I think most posters here are familiar with addiction. The problem was that upthread, using the words "I'm addicted to" was getting confused with clinical addiction.

There was no confusion on my part. Or from those making smilar arguments. You suggested that the word was being used in a 'technical' sense. Travis' words were examined in a practical and literal sense, given the evidence, his repetition of the word and his family and friend's opinions.

 

[salberg7]

I don't think it is safe to assume that Travis' gchat words were absolute, in the sense that once he said them he stuck to them. He had never been successful in breaking the cycle with the killer in the past, why should we think he did this time? Travis was too nice of a guy to have completely shut her off. The chat on May 26 was just part of their relationship. They fight, cool off, she calls, it starts again. As far as "addiction", Travis did use that word as did many of his friends and family in describing his relationship with his killer. I don't think anyone of them, nor Travis, used that word in the clinical sense. But they in fact used it.
IMO it was a love/hate relationship. Was he breaking the cycle- perhaps. Had he broken it yet? Nope. She managed to squirm her way back in June 4, and the rest is history.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

May shows the pattern repeating. Travis is rightly outraged. He demands answers and the truth around the time of the sex tape on May 10 IIRC. He threatens to cut her off. She sends him pics. She apologises. They both say they love each other. A few weeks later, Travis is furious, rightly. He expresses his anger, tells her what he thinks of her. Yet again, despite the intense, angry argument he still communicates with Arias. He speaks to her several times amounting to around an hour. June 4 there are pics of them both naked. Juan Martinez was able to use the naked photos to prove she was there and that Travis took the photographs of Arias. He details this clearly in his book. He won a conviction after presenting this evidence to the jury. Not one juror questioned that sex took place.

 

[Hope4More]

I have no doubt he welcomed her visit on June 4th. She was supposedly bringing him his most important possession, his stolen journals.

No, she never admitted she had stolen his journals. In fact, she explicitly denied that she had, on May 26, after the chat, in writing.

 

[Hope4More]

Iirc TA and JA actually had a chat about these pics and JA had said something about how lucky she was got have got this photographer to do them before he left town... or something to that effect.

Thanks. I remember that now. And that the photographer's name came up, in all places, on a chat-forum about Yreka.

 

[Hope4More]

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Bless you.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

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I know that there is such a thing as sexual addiction, but I do not think Travis suffered from this disorder. I think he was hooked on the pleasure he got from the kind of kinky sex JA offered. He ran with a crowd that was less likely to be so inclined. He liked it, alot. I see no actual evidence of real addiction, though. (...) .

Travis was not a sex addict in the sense that he required medical or other treatment. No one has said any such thing that I can see. He wasn't compelled to have sex with just anyone or seeking seedy thrills in an extreme way.

Those agreeing with Travis' own words suggested he was addicted to the sex you outline above. Not sex in general, just specifically related to Arias. He was hooked on the pleasure he got from the kinky sex Arias offered. Travis' sister Samantha suggested a drug-like hook. The informal definition of the word hooked contains the word addicted. Travis' wasn't a psychologist. He was stating how he felt about Arias. She committed endless atrocities against him but he still spoke to her after the 26 May G-Chat fight. He also sent her texts and was naked with her on June 4. Nothing Travis did was abnormal. Arias on the other hand...

 

[geevee]

My first thought when people were saying she claimed to have parked in the driveway the whole day, what if the roommate comes home while she's parked in his spot...:

http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/g...nto-evidence-jodi-arias-murder-trial#slide=19

Zach did come back between 3:00 - 4:00 and according to her story her car would have still been in the driveway, unavoidable for Zach not to see it - did Flores ask him if he'd seen any other cars in either interview? I'm sure he must have. I don't believe she was in the driveway, more like around the corner out of sight with the licence plates removed.

 

[La Louve]

No, she never admitted she had stolen his journals. In fact, she explicitly denied that she had, on May 26, after the chat, in writing.

:waitasec: I want to make sure I understand your reply correctly: you don't think that denial was a lie? If so, can you explain your logic as to why you think that particular denial was the truth?

The way I have come to think of her personality/temperament/behavior through the years of following this case, is that pretty much any time she had an opportunity to tell a lie that would benefit her, she did. And pretty much any time Travis "busted" her on something she'd done, she denied it. Heck, at first she even denied being in Mesa on June 4th. And she certainly has never told the truth about what happened that day.