Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #6

[Steve44]

I suppose in her sick mind, she could have. Too bad she never considered that murder might be a detriment to her being able to move on.

She wanted a new life without Travis. She got one. Be careful what you ask for.

 

[LinasK]

She wanted a new life without Travis. She got one. Be careful what you ask for.

She also got her wish to live in Arizona for the rest of her life and never have to move ever again!:jail::hot::hot::desert::desert:

 

[Steve44]

She also got her wish to live in Arizona for the rest of her life and never have to move ever again!:jail::hot::hot::desert::desert:

'Concrete' evidence that The Secret works.

 

[LinasK]

'Concrete' evidence that The Secret works.

:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
:shush:Which secret- the gas cans or that she killed him? JK

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Just want to say hi, miss you all, and Happy Mother's Day to all the Mommies. :loveyou:

 

[franquerolane]

Exactly. No value per se, just value to her. When that ended, his value as a person was nowhere to be found.

Her tossing aside supporters who cross her proves this point.

 

[Madeleine74]

I stand by my opinion that what he said was not abusive and I think you are attributing qualities to me of other posters. I do not "hate" Jodi Arias nor do I think Travis was perfect or a saint. Danielle Van Dam's parents weren't perfect victims, and neither was Michael Jackson's last accuser- Gavin Arivizo and his mom. They don't deserve any less justice for it.

At no point did I ever say JA shouldn't spend life in prison with no parole. In fact, that's exactly where I always said she should and would be, and now she is. That is as much justice as any crime victim can get because they can't be brought back to life.

Danielle Van Dam's parents weren't in a dysfunctional dating relationship with their daughter's killer and their 'faults' had nothing to do with the fact they lived a couple houses away from a pedophile.

Travis was in a very dysfunctional situation with his eventual killer, over a period of time. Travis could have walked away, refused to talk to the manipulator, changed the locks on his doors, changed the garage door code, lock up the patio/doggy door entrance, and change his phone number. He didn't do any of those things. Travis could have reported JA's stalking to the police. He didn't. Ditto tire slashing. Did not report it to police.

Travis' story is a cautionary tale of not listening to one's gut feeling (Travis said he felt frightened) and continuing to engage with a highly disordered person and continue a sexual relationship even though the relationship caused much emotional pain. That's not blaming Travis, that's understanding the full scope of the situation. TA's case reminds me so much of the Ryan Poston murder case and the killer is a lot like JA. His killer was recently sentenced to 40 years in prison for murdering him, shooting him 6 times.

 

[salberg7]

Juan thought they were problematic to the extent that he knew he'd need to not hide from those statements by TA. He talked about it in his book. The statements (in any context) were absolutely cruel, even if JA totally deserved it. The words themselves were, by even the state's definiton, cruel. I know what I heard, I know what I read, and I know what Juan thought about it (because he told us in his book).

Agreed. Travis' words to the killer WERE abusive. Any normal woman would have ended it right then. And who knows, maybe Travis felt guilty about speaking like that to her thus the resumption of conversations between the two after that. Another example of how conflicted Travis was - trying to be a good Mormon and living up to CTR, but saying those words that were not acceptable under any circumstances. Travis was conflicted. I bet he was so relieved she left Mesa, but she actually never let go and neither did he.

 

[salberg7]

I think we're lacking too many details to be able to accurately determine when she 'gave up' on Travis, though obviously the process was complete by June 4, 2008. It's speculative to attribute obsession to the fact that she didn't give up until she absolutely had to, it could also be attributed to her confidence in her ability to ultimately manipulate Travis in spite of the many setbacks.

If she ever had confidence that Travis wouldn't try to destroy her chances with another target, that confidence had to be shaken by the May 26 emails, and I think after that she determined that was a risk she was not willing to take.

Yes, she could have moved on before the 26th and been confident of Travis' silence (I believe) but for whatever reason she didn't. It may have been obsession, or maybe she just hadn't convinced herself her goals with Travis were completely out of reach.

Agree with Steve's post as well. I don't think she ever gave up on him until the end of May 2008 (if even then). While I think her plan to kill him began in April 08, I think she was so resolute that she would kill him the next time they met, his fate was sealed by those words he spoke to her in May. JMO- of course we will never know. The killer will never tell.

 

[salberg7]

No doubt in my mind that the way and the why are unrelated. If all she intended to do was rid herself of an inconvenience so she could move on, she could have killed him as he slept...no pain, no mess, no doubt a lot less chance of incriminating evidence left behind.

I have always believed that she wanted Travis awake and aware when she struck. It was not enough to just end his life...she needed him to know that his life was ending and who was ending it.

Absolutely agree, krk. She needed him to suffer. That's another reason why I think the knife came first, although to this day I am not sure about that but I will go with Dr.Horn's findings on autopsy.

 

[Hope4More]

Agree with Steve's post as well. I don't think she ever gave up on him until the end of May 2008 (if even then). While I think her plan to kill him began in April 08, I think she was so resolute that she would kill him the next time they met, his fate was sealed by those words he spoke to her in May. JMO- of course we will never know. The killer will never tell.

There's a lot we don't know, and almost certainly more that we don't even know we don't know.

For instance, we don't know that what was said on Gmail May 26 determined anything. They spoke by phone after the Gmail. We have no idea what was said then.

The Gmail confrontation ended very early AM on the 26. May 26 and May 27 passed, and the morning of May 28, before she staged the break-in. Who knows what happened on those days?

If the was so certain she could manipulate him again, as some here have said, what's to say she decided on May 26 that she was going to kill him? Maybe instead she didn't even take his anger seriously, and didn't think he meant what he said.

What did happen early on May 28 was that Travis posted about Brooke on FB, raving about her. Maybe THAT was the last straw for the , especially since she was hacking into his FB up until May 24 or 25 and would have read the flirting messages between Travis and Brooke?

Or maybe she found out in those days that Travis was taking Mimi to Cancun, or how intent Travis was to speak to Lisa, or........or......

We don't know what set off the confrontation on May 26, and we don't know what happened on the days afterward, up until one event on May 28. IMO it's impossible to know how pivotal May 26 was to her decision, much less if the words Travis used on that day even bothered her (as opposed to being rejected by him).

 

[kmp3]

Have you guys seen this? Is this being discussed somewhere? :gaah:

http://www.wflx.com/story/31908703/jodi-arias-reportedly-plans-wedding-from-behind-bars

 

[Hope4More]

Have you guys seen this? Is this being discussed somewhere? :gaah:

http://www.wflx.com/story/31908703/jodi-arias-reportedly-plans-wedding-from-behind-bars

Yes and yes. It's a non-story and untrue. The was concerned enough about the rumor, though, to have her twitter-minion deny it. Keeping herself in zit and butt creams for the next many decades is contingent upon having multiple deluded and disturbed "suitors" think they are the one and only, LOL.

 

[kmp3]

Yes and yes. It's a non-story and untrue. The was concerned enough about the rumor, though, to have her twitter-minion deny it. Keeping herself in zit and butt creams for the next many decades is contingent upon having multiple deluded and disturbed "suitors" think they are the one and only, LOL.

Thank goodness! I was wondering who would be suicidal enough to marry her. :facepalm:

 

[Hope4More]

Thank goodness! I was wondering who would be suicidal enough to marry her. :facepalm:

LOL. I imagine she's had more than one proposal, actually. Seems to go with the territory. I loved JM's recent response to a related question-- how do you explain the attraction she has for some (suitors and fans)?

He replied-- it happens, maybe in part because the folks who are attracted find it comforting to know that "she'll always be there." LOL.

 

[krkrjx]

Yes and yes. It's a non-story and untrue. The was concerned enough about the rumor, though, to have her twitter-minion deny it. Keeping herself in zit and butt creams for the next many decades is contingent upon having multiple deluded and disturbed "suitors" think they are the one and only, LOL.

It's a FOX news story and that fact alone tells me all I need to know.

 

[Niner]

Have you guys seen this? Is this being discussed somewhere? :gaah:

http://www.wflx.com/story/31908703/jodi-arias-reportedly-plans-wedding-from-behind-bars

I posted about this up thread ^^ here's the announcement:



:laughing:

 

[LinasK]

I posted about this up thread ^^ here's the announcement:

:laughing:

Love it!!

 

[kmp3]

I posted about this up thread ^^ here's the announcement:

:laughing:

Aw, so beautiful! LOL! I wonder if she's registered for Beano and hemorrhoid pads? You know what, I'll splurge and get her a few anti-shank/sex-toy toothbrushes. No toothpaste. JUST the brushes.

 

[geevee]

She was incapable of even acting remorseful, IMO. The best she could do in her secret testimony was to say " I wish I had that day to do over again." And the best she could offer up at sentencing was "I'm disgusted with myself."

I think DeMarte explained the best, and especially, what the had to do internally to prepare herself to murder Travis. DeMarte said the had to devalue Travis so completely as to convince herself that she was completely justified in taking his life.

The did that. I have no doubt at all she still believes Travis deserved to die. One of her tweets as she waited to hear whether or not the first jury was going to sentence her to death said it all. She quoted lyrics from whatever song that said- why did you have to say goodbye, why did you do this to me, I'm crying now (and it's all your fault).

Alrighty sister sledge (hammer lol ), you've finally convinced me to dive back into the videos, since seeing your post yesterday I'm now up to Bishop Vernon's redirect (full disclosure, I skipped the ending of Geffner, a girl can only take so much meaningless blather), Dr. DeMarte will be the next witness, looking quite forward to her dissection of Ms. Murderess. Thanks for the push, unintended as it was.