(pro per) planned to blame Heather for the magazine messages, and to have Matt testify he saw bruises on caused by Travis and whatever the was asking him to say about the original pedo letters. Maybe she was going to use MM to explain away why she couldn't produce the originals. (The 10 Bob White letters consisted of pedo lies and abuse lies.) also wrote Mark Stanoch 520-256-1178 (ABC). Stanoch interviewed her on July 8, 2009 and Sep 17, 2009. wanted MM to call Mark Stanoch to find out what she had said in that excellent interview so he can match her lies. Since pedo letters didn't exist during July - Sep 2009, what MM contradicted to her attorney was her abuse claim. He knew about the pedo claim since he was essentially Bob White (hiding behind) . exchange where JM reveals what MM had told him.' scheme thus created problems if she continued to represent the .
' cross. But, wow, on her green shirt day, just before JM launches into the gas can expos'e, and they're counting how much gas she has, the car tank, the two gas cans at 5 gals apiece. Then he says something to the effect, "And there were the other two gallons, right?" With hardly a hesitation, she says yes.
Wow Hope, I just read your thorough summary of the case posted on Appeal Updates and Information section.
Superb job, H4M.
I have a much better understanding of the case and of those matters regarding MM thanks to your extraordinary work.
Re MM's involvement:
It looks like to me MM 'betrayed' her or refused to cooperate or wanted to come clean starting in Aug 2011 when he didn't testify at pedo hearing, where the
But by this time, MM had already told both her attorney and JM that he didn't have any knowledge of her abuse claim.
He had contradicted what she had been saying for over a year.
Therefore, this magazine message:
You xxxed up. What you told my attorney next day directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year. Get down here asap and see me before you talk to them again and before you testify so we can fix this. Interview was excellent! Must talk asap!
Along with this message,
It looks like
Here's the JM and
[video=youtube;vXlgvVxgFlE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXlgvVxgFlE[/video]
Start @ 2:58:00 - 2:59:40
JM: '...When interviewed he admitted not knowing about that'. (about the chocking incident.)
Nurmi: objection
Judge:approach
I think Aug 2011 is when MM decided to come clean. Her attorney, Victoria Washington resigned afterwards due to a conflict of interest. Maybe he told her verything he knew about
's counsel unethical. about the pedo letters, and I think he would have lied for her had he been asked to testify in August 2011, whatever lie he thought was being asked of him. knew she and MM would be screwed to the wall if MM dared testify at that hearing. Nurmi clearly had planned on calling MM. After the magazines- no MM and, for good measure, no Nurmi. I'm pretty sure the 's tactic of blaming a fellow inmate for the magazines was last minute and last resort. told me about terrible letters Travis sent her, and that she'd made copies of them but destroyed the originals).. And by inference, that's when JM brought up perjury and MM bolted.
Gotta love deductive reasoning.
But.....a couple of points. Victoria Washington's withdrawal from the case didn't have anything to do with MM. She withdrew because of an unexpected and genuine conflict of interest. A former client requested her representation, and iirc, information or more generalized knowledge that former client had already provided her/or provided her at that time made keeping on as the
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I don't think MM was reluctant to testify for the
JM's interception of the magazines is what prevented MM from testifying. Even the delusional
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I don't know for sure what JM would have been allowed to ask MM about the CONTENT of the letters in the Aug evidentiary hearing, but I think the answer is- not much, if anything at all.
The hearing was strictly to be about whether or not the authenticity of the letters could be established--- hence the handwriting experts. For that reason, whatever MM said that contradicted what she's been saying for a year, IMO wasn't about "abuse," it was something about what MM had said about the provenance of the pedo letters. (An abstract example- yes, the
Now, maybe the correct sequence of interviews just isn't sticking right in my head, but iirc, it was in the 2013 interview with JM that MM said he WAS willing to lie for the
if she had worked with that client prior, and she was required to do due diligence to that effect. If she swiched back to representing her former client after representing , she would be unethical with regards to that former client. IMO something happened with regard to which made her unable to continue, and it didn't reflect on any relationship with another client. No matter what the story..
wearing for the gas cans expos'e? For some reason, I missed it when I reviewed the cross.This scario for the VW conflict of interest makes no sense to me. She would have known from the get-go that she was out of bounds with the
And who's to say that unidentified former client wasn't MM?
There was a lot going on behind the scenes regarding MM. I don't know that we can be definite about one angle or another, since there likely were more than the recorded angles in the mix.
JM was very clear that MM would betray
was made in early 2009, to the DT's first investigator, and was included in the 400 pages or so of those DT interview summaries mysteriously turned over to the State.'s trial, iirc, saying even then that he had been willing to lie for her.
What color shirt was
I find it amazing that JM talked so little about MM in his book, yet he very often flaunted theThis scario for the VW conflict of interest makes no sense to me. She would have known from the get-go that she was out of bounds with the
And who's to say that unidentified former client wasn't MM?
There was a lot going on behind the scenes regarding MM. I don't know that we can be definite about one angle or another, since there likely were more than the recorded angles in the mix.
JM was very clear that MM would betray
with his knowledge about MM during the trial, making her nervous every time.
's direct exam. This is her white shirt day. : I arrived around 4 ish.: I parked in the same spot I always parked which was the center spot in the driveway: I don't remember specifically. I wasn't paying attention to that. (watch her facial expression)I find it amazing that JM talked so little about MM in his book, yet he very often flaunted the
I just don't get MM. I can't even decide if he is a good guy or a bad buy. I'm even thinking MM could've been her next murder victim because he knew too much.
left Mesa in the afternoon of the 4th, around 3pm, give or take. She couldn't have met Gus in Pasadena the afternoon, and who believes she only spent 30 minutes with him when she had to "pay" him for the Helio he "gave" her? 
wants to demonstrate how invested TA is in making a sex video, correlating with the sex tape. She also wants to keep implying that he's into . state that one of the main reasons for going to Mesa was sex. (No doubt she said that to avoid the notion that she went there for murder.) Then he says, "You got done with the sex...why didn't you leave?" He's dug out the premeditation from pile of BS.
Here's the reason why it's possible to be certain MM had nothing to do with VW's conflict of interest:
VW's motion to withdraw states specifically that she became aware of the conflict on December 15, 2011, and that it wasn't possible for her to have known about the conflict before that date.
She obviously knew there was a problem with MM's potential testimony long before that date, as she stated just that on the record, months earlier, in August.
Wasn't about MM.
(And she may well not have known about a former client, let's say appearing on a witness list, until she saw that list of witnesses for the first time).
---ETA. It's possible that MM's statement that he was willing to lie for the
Also, FWIW, MM made a cameo appearance on that wretched pro-murderess site well into the
