Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

[lewcch3]

What do you think of the suggestion by other posters that the scamming TA refers to is about PPL? Specifically how JA "helped" him sign up people that then resigned or disappeared, like some of those women that TA was chatting with that then suddenly disappeared that we suspect was JA using false identities? She was all about making a quick easy buck and if she figured she could scam PPL out of some easy commission and get away with it, then got caught by someone in her upline and/or TA found out about it and refused to back her up... that would explain needing to talk with the PPL head lawyers Parker Stan, thoughts?

BBM
I always wondered why he told her in that g-chat (paraphrasing): "You would take a buck over my life". IMO she was really scamming him or others.

 

[Hope4More]

What do you think of the suggestion by other posters that the scamming TA refers to is about PPL? Specifically how JA "helped" him sign up people that then resigned or disappeared, like some of those women that TA was chatting with that then suddenly disappeared that we suspect was JA using false identities? She was all about making a quick easy buck and if she figured she could scam PPL out of some easy commission and get away with it, then got caught by someone in her upline and/or TA found out about it and refused to back her up... that would explain needing to talk with the PPL head lawyers Parker Stan, thoughts?

Dunno. The Hughes have said it's unlikely she scammed any of his PPL accounts because he would absolutely have noticed. I don't know anything about PPL accounting, but she had willingness and ability to alter social media accounts, AND she has access to his bank info, so who knows.

If she did steal in that way, how much could it have been? She was broke the entire time she was in Mesa. So there's just April and May beyond that. I do wonder where and how she raised the money she deposited in the bank on June 3. At least one of her 3 accounts (why in the heck that many accts for a barely employed waitress?) was overdrawn when she made the deposit.

Travis saying she'd choose the buck or whatever. That can also be interpreted to mean he was saying she was soulless, only interested in material possessions, a parasite who attached herself to whatever host willing to shower her with stuff. You know, the truth about her.

Scamming...I think that may well mean her posing as other women online to set him up.

 

[RickshawFan]

It doesn't have to include S&M, at least not for this chicka'. Nope, not into bondage and all that. I agree about her being old fashioned in that area, can you say cheap and easy.

Yes, it seems overstating it that JA's take on the schoolgirl theme was "bondage" (way too dainty a flower), since it might potentially possibly involve pain and put her in the "non-control" position, but no doubt she simply appropriated (like everything else she does) the storyline and presented this to Travis as a unique and inventive game.

During her testimony, when she got to how the rope would be tied in a bondage scenario, she had no idea how to describe a convincing S&M tableau. Clueless.

Anyway, this all goes to my point about how she presents herself as "cutting edge" in the sex department, and that's far from the truth!

 

[RickshawFan]

My Map says about the same thing, 3.23, going an average of 65mph, which is not top speed.

I changed my google map to depart tomorrow at 6pm, it told me that I would get there at 940pm. Google let me set a date. I next set it to June 4, 2008, for what it's worth. It said same thing, but that's still going 65mph. If she was going 70, shave off 30 minutes. I believe she left more like 7pm, just me.

I don't believe she needed to destroy anything on his computer. There's no evidence of anything in his computer's unallocated files that pertained to her, according to trial evidence. There also wasn't any mention of an unusual activity on his computer. Since his computer was the central focus at times in the retrial, I can't believe we wouldn't have heard about anything pertaining to Jodi being deleted on June 4th.

I think that Jodi wanted to get rid of stuff, she should have been getting rid of the g-chats. So if she was at his computer, getting rid of whatever, why not delete those things?

Now, I am questioning the email she supposedly sent Travis on 4/16 or around that date--the one wanting credit for her work. Does anyone have a copy of it with date and time, to and from on the top? Mine looks like this:

View attachment 87209

I am curious as to why it says "delivered to Jodi" if it is to Travis.

The sick manipulation of that first paragraph..... and it goes on and on and on....

 

[RickshawFan]

The pics of her brown hair in March show a much lighter shade of brown than the selfies she took on the way to Mesa in June, call it a test run if you will, and although some may not think she was already contemplating her game plan by March, I do.

For some examples of her hair colours, https://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/the-jodi-arias-trial/ has lots... iirc JA said the ones in the snow
https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ja64.jpg?w=300&h=200

were taken around the time she first dyed her hair brown, now compare those to her June 3 selfie.
https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/ja34.jpg?w=300&h=300

There was no real snow, either. That's a backdrop....

Everything is so artificial.....

 

[RickshawFan]

Is this the May 26th one that you think is missing bits? I agree she never came right out and admitted to anything, though we don't know what was ever said by phone. By the end of the chat I think TA just wanted it all to end, even if it meant her never admitting culpability for anything, as long as he never had to deal with her again.

https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/ja-and-ta-may-26-2008-gmail-chat-transcribed2.pdf

Ya know, she's threatening suicide in this. That's one big reason why he says she keeps reeling him in. He can't deal with the suicide threats...

Who could deal with this c**p, anyway?

 

[RickshawFan]

Dunno. The Hughes have said it's unlikely she scammed any of his PPL accounts because he would absolutely have noticed. I don't know anything about PPL accounting, but she had willingness and ability to alter social media accounts, AND she has access to his bank info, so who knows.

If she did steal in that way, how much could it have been? She was broke the entire time she was in Mesa. So there's just April and May beyond that. I do wonder where and how she raised the money she deposited in the bank on June 3. At least one of her 3 accounts (why in the heck that many accts for a barely employed waitress?) was overdrawn when she made the deposit.

Travis saying she'd choose the buck or whatever. That can also be interpreted to mean he was saying she was soulless, only interested in material possessions, a parasite who attached herself to whatever host willing to shower her with stuff. You know, the truth about her.

Scamming...I think that may well mean her posing as other women online to set him up.

Even if she wasn't making any money in Mesa, she sure was spending a lot..... I would guess a couple of thousand a month.

 

[G&AMom]

I noticed in the June texts (on the Karas on Crime site) that the last text sent by Travis is on June 4th, then his phone continues to receive texts on the 5th and 6th (the last one is from Jodi talking about him depositing her check). Then there's nothing until June 10th. Can any one think of a technical reason why texts from the 7th, 8th and 9th wouldn't show up? People must have been trying to reach him -- particularly Mimi Hall.

Just a comment on "scamming." Back when this first came to light in 2013, I and a lot of other people assumed this referred to something financial. But a number of other posters didn't agree that "scamming" would only be used in cheating someone of money -- that it might refer to any kind of lying or storytelling.

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[Hope4More]

Even if she wasn't making any money in Mesa, she sure was spending a lot..... I would guess a couple of thousand a month.

Whoa. Why do you think it was that much? She was paying rent for a single room in a house, wasn't paying her credit cards or her car payment, was eating TA's food and using his car (not paying for gas, even, I'd bet).

For whatever PPL event in March they went to Travis paid everything for her, including hotel and food, though he did ask to be paid back for that one.

She lent him a grand total of $200, once, and is still pissed off that he asked. And, in August 2007 she had the kickstart of receiving her tax returns.

The only money I see her spending is on makeup and hair dye and her cell phone bill.

 

[Val1]

Dunno. The Hughes have said it's unlikely she scammed any of his PPL accounts because he would absolutely have noticed. I don't know anything about PPL accounting, but she had willingness and ability to alter social media accounts, AND she has access to his bank info, so who knows.

If she did steal in that way, how much could it have been? She was broke the entire time she was in Mesa. So there's just April and May beyond that. I do wonder where and how she raised the money she deposited in the bank on June 3. At least one of her 3 accounts (why in the heck that many accts for a barely employed waitress?) was overdrawn when she made the deposit.

Travis saying she'd choose the buck or whatever. That can also be interpreted to mean he was saying she was soulless, only interested in material possessions, a parasite who attached herself to whatever host willing to shower her with stuff. You know, the truth about her.

Scamming...I think that may well mean her posing as other women online to set him up.

I suppose, though if it was possible to get a commission of $50-100 for every sign up and it only cost the person $27 to sign up, it might not be a fortune but it does add up and didn't TA actually mention having paid for people to sign up just to get his monthly quota... you can bet JA would have seen the dollar signs involved and took it to a whole other level, at least until someone caught her. That could have caused a whole lot of trouble for a lot of people within the company.

 

[Hope4More]

About the drive time etc. from Mesa to Kingman, AZ, fwiw.


The YouTube of driver in TA's neighborhood shows the route from T's house to Rte 60, which would have taken her to Wickenberg, AZ where she'd have picked up Rte 93 to Kingman.

Sunset on June 4, 2008 was around 8:30pm. Rushhour in Mesa/Phoenix begins around 4pm and lasts until 7pm, on average.

The drive from TA's house to the exit for Rte 60 is on a 40mph road through all kinds of shopping centers, etc.., which would have been pretty slow going anytime between 4-7pm. In broad daylight through this area she'd have been nuts to exceed the speed limit or to have driven aggressively.

The guy driving it drove around 1:30 pm, and it took less than 10 minutes to reach Rte 60.

Rte 60 is a 65 mph road, 82 miles from Mesa to Wickenberg.

Rte 93 can be a fast road too, 123 miles to Kingman, AZ. Caveat- 93 is a 2 lane highway, lots of winding around through mostly "empty" desert. Depending on time of day/night driving can be pretty solitary, or one could expect to share the road with a moderate amount of folks heading towards or away from Las Vegas.

She could have pulled off onto any number of little "lanes" heading off into the desert along 93, and after dark, wouldn't have had to go very far down one to be invisible to drivers on 93. (I've done a lot of off road solo adventuring in this general area).

Heading west on 60 during rushhour is going against the main rushhour flow, and by locals' accounts, is not overly congested (unless backed up by an accident).

 

[RickshawFan]

I suppose, though if it was possible to get a commission of $50-100 for every sign up and it only cost the person $27 to sign up, it might not be a fortune but it does add up and didn't TA actually mention having paid for people to sign up just to get his monthly quota... you can bet JA would have seen the dollar signs involved and took it to a whole other level, at least until someone caught her. That could have caused a whole lot of trouble for a lot of people within the company.

I'm thinking Jodi was using credit card info from work and signing people up...

 

[Tiger09]

I'm thinking Jodi was using credit card info from work and signing people up...

I'm thinking that as well. Didn't she get fired a lot/not get along with her co workers? Maybe she skimmed from their tips/didn't tip out/skimmed from the register?

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[RickshawFan]

Whoa. Why do you think it was that much? She was paying rent for a single room in a house, wasn't paying her credit cards or her car payment, was eating TA's food and using his car (not paying for gas, even, I'd bet).

For whatever PPL event in March they went to Travis paid everything for her, including hotel and food, though he did ask to be paid back for that one.

She lent him a grand total of $200, once, and is still pissed off that he asked. And, in August 2007 she had the kickstart of receiving her tax returns.

The only money I see her spending is on makeup and hair dye and her cell phone bill.

She still had credit cards, so she had to be paying something.... This could easily have been several hundred dollars a month, since she still kept credit available. There was the frappuccino bill (I'll bet this was $100 per month). There were her phone charges. I have no idea what they'd be, but several hundred? She's got an expensive camera..... She had all kinds of clothes. She was buying sex supplies. She has a computer, and I'll bet it was up to date. She had several bikinis....

There's the Brazilians ($100 per month?)

She has an internet bill?

She had to have been paying on the car until the last few months, because otherwise they would have repossessed it sooner.

She would have needed the tax return money to cover first weeks in Arizona...

She's traveled to New Mexico, New York, Havasupai.... Yreka for Christmas (this is expensive). She's taking snow pictures...

And I've put no food money in there...

All this stuff is adding up. Incidentals have a way of doing that.....

She evidently didn't qualify for food stamps.....

 

[Hope4More]

She still had credit cards, so she had to be paying something.... This could easily have been several hundred dollars a month, since she still kept credit available. There was the frappuccino bill (I'll bet this was $100 per month). There were her phone charges. I have no idea what they'd be, but several hundred? She's got an expensive camera..... She had all kinds of clothes. She was buying sex supplies. She has a computer, and I'll bet it was up to date. She had several bikinis....

There's the Brazilians ($100 per month?)

She has an internet bill?

She had to have been paying on the car until the last few months, because otherwise they would have repossessed it sooner.

She would have needed the tax return money to cover first weeks in Arizona...

She's traveled to New Mexico, New York, Havasupai.... Yreka for Christmas (this is expensive). She's taking snow pictures...

And I've put no food money in there...

All this stuff is adding up. Incidentals have a way of doing that.....

She evidently didn't qualify for food stamps.....

I think her mom paid for trip back to Yreka at Xmas, and TA footed the bill up front for all their trips.

But....that's niggling on my part. . I suspect she flat out stole money from TA here or there (he gave her his ATM to run errands) (!!!!!!!), and that Gus and perhaps other "friends" umm...helped her with cashflow?


Rick- Im thinking about canyons.

 

[Hope4More]

I'm thinking that as well. Didn't she get fired a lot/not get along with her co workers? Maybe she skimmed from their tips/didn't tip out/skimmed from the register?

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That wouldn't surprise me in the least. She says she was fired from Mimi's for helping herself to some muffins (lol). She also apparently told that first shrink who assessed her that the Jan fight with Travis was about her being fired from her job at Mimi's.

Maybe not merely Mimi muffins going missing?

 

[RickshawFan]

I'm thinking that as well. Didn't she get fired a lot/not get along with her co workers? Maybe she skimmed from their tips/didn't tip out/skimmed from the register?

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Skimming from all of it. The turnover in servers is so high, there's no other explanation for why she couldn't easily get another serving job once she had been fired from one. If you breathe, they'll hire you. I'm thinking the police were involved, but the business owner declined to press charges, so nothing showed up on her record, but she wouldn't have been able to get another job. Except in Yreka where they "knew" her from before and where her parents had a reasonable reputation. In Yreka they may not have dug too deeply into her employment history in AZ. That would be a big reason to return to Yreka instead of just going somewhere else or just getting any old job.

The fact that there was stuff going on in her jobs in Yreka after the murder suggests that the same stuff was going on in all of her previous jobs, especially the recently previous. I'm guessing Casa Ramos and Purple Plum hadn't even caught up to the half of it.... I wonder what Mendes discovered regarding her behavior in the Yreka restaurants that JM didn't bring in at trial...? JM had to settle for small scraps from the interviews when he was crossing ALV, but there must have been a lot more incriminating stuff in Mendes' reports/interviews (think how little there actually was in the trial) that JM was working off, because he really had to push ALV about "manipulation" on kind of meager allowable evidence.

 

[geevee]

Somehow she was paying Travis back for trips, didn't we see two checks, one with a notation of 'Airfare' or 'Airfoto' for 699.00 and another (that I can't recall the amount)? They may be here on the bank/receipts thread, or at least googlable. I've always wondered where her cash flow came from while in Mesa as she didn't seem to make anything for PPL.

 

[geevee]

Did MCSC change their site? I can't get into the dockets at all (although the minute entry pages still come up).

 

[b_lab7410]

The sick manipulation of that first paragraph..... and it goes on and on and on....

Dear gawd, but that third one... :blah:

How in the world was TA ever able to stand her? I would have to prevent myself from blatantly zzzz. Maybe he couldn't finish reading her email, for all we know anyway..

What she doesn't say, is that she owed him money and he was only keeping her in his life when any other person would have called the monetary loss a lesson learned and cut ties with someone like her completely!

Dear Travis,

I know I'm such a **** but seriously, if you're going to pay attention to me, at least do it publicly, I know I am shameless ***** and a narcissist but, I really do care about you. Practically destroying your mental health and shredding it to pieces, in fact means I cherish you beyond what any of these 'normals' could possibly understand... I am FULL of love, and warmth, and hormones, psychosis... wait wait....