Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

[geevee]

Did anyone else notice (or remember from before) that the killer told Flores she could check her cell phone call record on the "internet" to look up specific calls she'd made and times?

As in, itemized long distance calls on the Helio? Is that how the Helio service worked back then?

I don't know, I'd never heard of checking your call history online, here's the link to the Ocean Helio phone owner's manual if you want to look through it and see if it mentions anything about that:

http://www.standupwireless.com/manuals/Manual_PANTECH_OCEAN.pdf

 

[Hope4More]

I don't know, I'd never heard of checking your call history online, here's the link to the Ocean Helio phone owner's manual if you want to look through it and see if it mentions anything about that:

http://www.standupwireless.com/manuals/Manual_PANTECH_OCEAN.pdf

Sadist.

 

[geevee]

Sadist.

True dat.

 

[Hope4More]

I don't know, I'd never heard of checking your call history online, here's the link to the Ocean Helio phone owner's manual if you want to look through it and see if it mentions anything about that:

http://www.standupwireless.com/manuals/Manual_PANTECH_OCEAN.pdf

A quick 75 page user manual skim and one Google search later. No online access to call records. Either she was referring to accessing a list of calls on the Helio itself or she was full of it.

 

[lewcch3]

Did anyone else notice (or remember from before) that the killer told Flores she could check her cell phone call record on the "internet" to look up specific calls she'd made and times?

As in, itemized long distance calls on the Helio? Is that how the Helio service worked back then?

Don't know about Helio service, but there were at that time some services available that allowed you to view call details and history via internet.

 

[EquallyDivided]

Did anyone else notice (or remember from before) that the killer told Flores she could check her cell phone call record on the "internet" to look up specific calls she'd made and times?

As in, itemized long distance calls on the Helio? Is that how the Helio service worked back then?

I can look up my phone records on my AT&T wireless log-in. It shows phone number, date, time and duration of the call.

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[Hope4More]

Don't know about Helio service, but there were at that time some services available that allowed you to view call details and history via internet.

That settles it. Not even ONE part of one thing related to another thing stemming from a single little thing relating to this lying vile murderer can EVER be straightforward or uncomplicated or definitive!!@%@%*Π{®Π{©•°£•?;:'"* !

Well....except that's she in prison forever. Hmm. Good enough.

 

[lewcch3]

That settles it. Not even ONE part of one thing related to another thing stemming from a single little thing relating to this lying vile murderer can EVER be straightforward or uncomplicated or definitive!!@%@%*Π{®Π{©•°£•?;:'"* !

Well....except that's she in prison forever. Hmm. Good enough.

Yep! That's all part of her MO - a little bit of truth here, a lie there, then half of truth, then 3/4's a lie- never straight forward and all to her advantage to keep people off balance. But like you said, she did end up in prison! She just could not keep half truths and half lies straight!

 

[pocketaccent]

Hacking his social media accounts- June phone interviews with Flores


DF: They felt that you were…uh…either taking advantage of him or um…just, you know hanging around when you weren’t wanted.
Um…they mentioned that you would sometimes, you know, end up going into his house. You were in his house when he didn’t want you there, and you were asked to leave but you would return.

There was also some talk about you, you know, spying on his e-mail and Facebook accounts those kinds of things…

JA: Oh, he gave me his um…He gave me his Facebook password and his MySpace password, and I gave him my Facebook password and my Gmail account password, and the reason we did that is that because, it was kind of dumb.

We did that months and months ago and we thought, um… what can we do to try to re-establish trust between us, and, you know, why don’t we start with that, and so that’s what we did and you know, it just didn’t work.

He got really upset finally and he’s like, “You know, this isn’t working,” and I said, “All right, this is too much of a headache, let’s just change our passwords.” So we did. We changed our passwords after that.


DF: How long ago did you guys change them?

JA: Uh…I changed mine, gosh…not long ago, probably three weeks ago maybe? And, I don’t know about his because I haven’t once he made clear he wasn’t comfortable with that anymore I didn’t even try to get back into his account anymore, so…

DF: You know you just have to trust sometimes.

JA: That’s true. That’s true, and I told him. We’ve had hours upon hours of conversation and I said, “You know, I just don’t know if I could ever trust you again,” you know, and…he doesn’t know if he could ever trust me again because I always wanted to get back into his phone and find out does he really have something going on or what, ‘cause you know he did at one point um…you know, and so, he said, “Yeah, I understand that, but if we were married you would have all my passwords to everything because there wouldn’t be anything to worry about”

and I thought, “Well, that’s nice,” you know? But we’re not married (laughs) so… And as far as getting into his e-mails, that never happened.

Um…what he has on his computer is um…He would oftentimes just leave the computer on and he’ll leave his G-mail e-mail up, and there were times when I’d hop on the computer to look up other things, and if his G-mail window was open then I would just close it…if that would constitute getting into his e-mail.

DF: Um…you know I had to mention that to you because we are getting a search warrant for your e-mails, or you know G-mail and Facebook, and we can tell where those things were accessed from, and I just want to make it clear that um…you know, if you did access it from somewhere else or at a certain time, you know if you access it from California we’re going to be able to know.

JA: Yeah, I’ll tell you right now that I did.

DF: Okay.

JA: He gave me his password. The only account that I’ve accessed though was the MySpace and G-mail because those were the only passwords I had.

DF: How long ago? When was the last time you actually accessed those?

JA: Oh, weeks ago. We had um…We had a conversation where, it’s like we…he made it clear that he wasn’t comfortable with that anymore, and um…and I said, “That’s okay,” and he…and I changed my email account password because he got into that, too, and he saw another guy’s email there um…and gave me a hard time about it and so, it just was dumb. You know, we’re both trying to move on. We’re both… I don’t know. He was weird.

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JA: Yeah. I should probably. I should probably tell you that, you know, Travis, when he got upset, he would send me um…really mean e-mails, Um…he would send me mean text messages and things.

Um…you’ll find probably some stuff on his Facebook. I know for sure you’ll find them on Facebook and definitely on his G-mail and you’re welcome to access all of my accounts, too, if you want.

DF: We’re probably going to get our subpoena for all his Facebook, G-mail, you know everything just to see who he was communicating with, what he was saying, um…what they were saying to him. I’m not sure how far back…we usually go six months to a year.

JA: Okay

JA's wedding vow-

I, JA, take you , to be my wedded husband. .....To have and to hold, from this day forward.... I will love, serve and obey you as long as you give me all your passwords and pin numbers...

 

[Hope4More]

As a complete non sequitur, mostly, I looked at the 6 unredacted sex photos again.:gasp:

I know JM said and Flores said and peeps here said that the bottle of KY was in the same position on the bed in 2 pics....a time stamped his and an un-time stamped hers, but....I don't see it, literally.

The bottle in his looks larger and different than the bottle in hers, and I don't see a blue cap on hers at all.

 

[Hope4More]

JA's wedding vow-

I, JA, take you , to be my wedded husband. .....To have and to hold, from this day forward.... I will love, serve and obey you as long as you give me all your passwords and pin numbers...

Along with these vows of hers...


To have (and to take from you),
And to hold (all of your bank accts in my name)
for richer (me) and for poorer (you),
For as long as I let you live....

 

[pocketaccent]

Along with these vows of hers...


To have (and to take from you),
And to hold (all of your bank accts in my name)
for richer (me) and for poorer (you),
For as long as I let you live....

:laughcry::laughcry::laughcry::laughcry::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:

 

[RickshawFan]

Journal for June 1, AFTER 3 phone interviews with Flores, last one on June 28. Entry is from Juror 13's site.

6/1/08:

Just getting ready for the road, mostly. I’ll be leaving in a few hours, even though I haven’t slept. If I get sleepy, I’ll just pull over. So I’ve revised my itinerary a bit. I’m definitely going to stop & see Jack & Darryl in P.G. I miss those guys. Depending on Matt’s schedule, I’ll visit w/him for a bit, but I’m definitely crashing at his place, just for one night probably. Then I’ll head south. If Laura allows it, I’ll visit her, Tazannah & Z, and take some cool pics. (Wow, I just wrote “pics” instead of “pictures.” It’s a text-messaging syndrome, I guess). And I’d like to go to SD to visit Jon Dixon. He’s got a lot of cool stuff going on there & we get along really well. I know he likes me, and if he were a church member, there would definitely be potential, because I like him, too. I especially like his enthusiasm and never-ending zest for life. He always seems so easy-going & happy. And he’s handsome. A little more petite than I prefer as far as build, but that’s easily over-looked.

Anyway, I’ve yet to call him either, although I know that if I just showed up in town, he’d make room in his schedule for me He’s a wonderful person. Travis thinks he’s the Anti-Christ because he left Pre-Paid for YTB. I think it was a dumb decision for sure, but not worth persecuting someone over. Free enterprise is the name of the game in America. I love it.

Anyway, after SD, I’ll drive to UT. I’m not sure what we’ll be doing there, but cuddling is definitely on the list. So is a massage. Maybe a nap. Some dinner. I’m not too concerned w/what we do, as long as it’s w/him, so that we can get to know each other a little better at least. Maybe that will help to shed a little light on this somewhat intriguing situation.

I mentioned my road trip to Travis. He didn’t sound all that thrilled for me. As far as I know, he knows nothing of Ryan. I asked Zion not to mention it to him, so that I wouldn’t have to explain anything or hurt him further. It would only be a repeat of our last blow-up and I know he hurts, and I don’t want him to hurt.

It’s so confusing because I know he likes Mimi a lot and I now know that he was dating Lisa the whole time, but yet he was angry & hurt & devastated when I told him about Jon Dixon last August/Sept (I think it was early Sept. Definitely before the Vegas convention.) It’s been such a grey area for me because we broke up but continued seeing each other on the D.L. We were clearly not an item, not dating, not bf/gf, so it’s not like I cheated on him.

I really shouldn’t have mentioned it to him. He told me that I’ve hurt him more than the death of his father hurt him. That is so heavy. My heart aches because he hurts. I care for him very much. I just want him to find happiness.

I should’ve known better than to tell him about Jon Dixon but he asked – SPECIFICALLY – in two different ways – “You swear you haven’t kissed anyone since me?” And “Tell me the truth, did you ever kiss Jon Dixon?” I don’t know why he wants to know so bad. He tortures himself. I said “I thought we agreed we wouldn’t discuss this topic.” But he persisted the way he always does. He baited, too, by saying it doesn’t matter now, I can tell him. So duh, Jodi. I told him. I didn’t tell him all of the details, but he could immediately tell I was trying to filter it.

He was way upset. We hung up. I called back, upset myself, and said it’s all in the past, and he was half asleep by then, and his demeanor had turned soft and said it’s ok, it just stems from the fact that he is lonely. When he pulled the lonely card again, it brought tears to my eyes. He deserves a happy & fulfilling relationship just as much as I do. I don’t want him to be lonely. To think that at one time we could’ve been married seems so far from what is now. At least he’s found his “the one”!!! That’s more than I can say. And although all of that is true, we still fight feelings for each other?

He told me via gmail chat that he still fights feelings for me everyday. I was a little surprised to learn that. I know that he cared for me and all. Honestly, I’ve been largely ignoring any feelings that creep up up, usually by just distracting myself.

The prospects of new beginnings on the horizon promise light again at the end of the tunnel, a short tunnel as I’ve made this journey more than twice before & each time, the tunnel is a little bit shorter, each time, I’m always a little bit stronger. I love Travis & always will. We are just different. His fiery temper doesn’t mix w/my tendency to cry at the drop of a hat, over spilled milk, or whatever.

Anyway, huge disgression so mums the word on Mr. Ryan Burns, although Travis jokingly insinuated that I was certainly making a trip out to UT for a “reason”. He said, “Uh-huh, yeah, sure, I bet. ” etc. He’s not dumb and won’t be able to pull it over his eyes for long if things progress. But that’s ok.

Maybe if he hears it through the grapevine, he’ll have even more incentive to walk toward getting his marriage on. Which would mean no more messing around, being naughty w/me or whoever else he might be doing his thing with.


He also began to sweet talk / guilt me that I was making the road trip to UT to visit friends, etc. & when I could instead come out to AZ & see him. He actually made me regret my itinerary for a few moments. He is incredibly persuasive. But I stood my ground! Honestly if it weren’t for the prospect of hanging out with Ryan and getting to know him better, I would have been weak & folded I would have cancelled my plans to Utah entirely & driven down to is house. He actually a little bit hurt & upset that I didn’t change my mind

I gently declined, gently refused, but I could tell he was bothered. I reminded him that he’s going to be here soon anyways. I played up all of the fun things that we’re going to experience. I just got a few --yeah, buts…. and eventually an “ok, whatever.” He’s stubborn… So am I, really. But it’s already. I have a few more things to do & then I’m hitting the road. To Redding, where I’ll leave my car, then onward.


Pre-arrest- Yreka, July, interrogations

JA: Here’s why I felt guilty. One of the last times we spoke, he was guilting me about not coming to see him, and part of my heart still wanted to go see him and another part just wants to move on, and pursue this new avenue, which was in Utah, and there is a tinge of guilt, you know……




Later....

FO: Was he expecting you to come over that day?

JA: He wanted me to. I told him I wasn’t going to.

FO: So was it a surprise that you actually showed up?

FO: I was just going to ask you if he was happy to see you that week – that day?

(Silence)

FO: That looked like you’re saying, “Yeah, he was.”

JA: (Jodi throws used toilet paper in trash can behind her) No, I didn’t say that.

JA: He was always happy to see me, though. I’m trying to think…

FO: Were you happy to see him?

(Silence)

FO: You at least know that.

(Jodi wipes her nose)


Before arrest, both detectives


JA: Do you know what happened to my journals, too?
JA: I know they said they took one, but I don’t know if they took my other ones.

FO: Where were your other ones at?
JA: In my fireproof safe.

JA: Umm… if you want my journals it documents the entire time starting from when I moved to Arizona up until 2 or 3 days ago.

JA: I don’t know if they felt it was relevant, but…


JA: I’m sure there’s…Travis got a lot of ink in my journals. I don’t know. That doesn’t matter now because I know you guys think what you think but umm...



To Flores...


JA: Did you also take my journals?

DF: Yes.

JA: All three of them?



Post arrest, with Flores, the ninja story unfolds afterwards...


Killer: Umm…so I just, I had a wall charger, I think, and I was just going to charge it later, I guess, when I got somewhere. Anyway, I did call Travis, and I said, “Guess what?” and he said, “What?” and I said, “I’m coming to Arizona tonight,” and there was silence, and then he goes, “Really? and I said, “Yeah” and he said, “What made you change your mind?” and I just said, I just…‘cause I told him I missed him or something, but I would have said because you are too compelling, but like he is too, he’s already got a big enough head about that stuff.

So I showed up, and he was looking at You Tube on his computer, on his laptop, in the office.......

One of the things I find the most sicko about this stuff (apart from the lies) is how Jodi puts words and feelings into TA's mouth, and they don't sound at all like he probably sounded. They sound all girly and smiley and loving, and that's not at all what I would guess he sounded like or how he worded things. Fake tenderness.....eeewww...

 

[geevee]

As a complete non sequitur, mostly, I looked at the 6 unredacted sex photos again.:gasp:

I know JM said and Flores said and peeps here said that the bottle of KY was in the same position on the bed in 2 pics....a time stamped his and an un-time stamped hers, but....I don't see it, literally.

The bottle in his looks larger and different than the bottle in hers, and I don't see a blue cap on hers at all.

Yeah, I had to stare at those pics much longer than any human should endure and I came to the same conclusion, it's not the same bottle. I thought that was the direction JM was going when questioning Flores about the bottle top but maybe he was trying to point out that T was actually throwing the bottle at her.

 

[Hope4More]

One of the things I find the most sicko about this stuff (apart from the lies) is how Jodi puts words and feelings into TA's mouth, and they don't sound at all like he probably sounded. They sound all girly and smiley and loving, and that's not at all what I would guess he sounded like or how he worded things. Fake tenderness.....eeewww...

I think she literally knew no boundaries. In her mind there was no seperate person Travis. Travis was partially right when he told her all he was to her was a dildo with a heart beat.

The part he didn't get was that all he was to her was what she required him to be so she could absorb him completely and negate him absolutely. His words her words. His everything, hers.

 

[Val1]

Yep! That's all part of her MO - a little bit of truth here, a lie there, then half of truth, then 3/4's a lie- never straight forward and all to her advantage to keep people off balance. But like you said, she did end up in prison! She just could not keep half truths and half lies straight!

BBM - Yup, the truth just kept creeping out...

Excerpt from the gmail rant when iirc they were almost 1000 miles apart ... p.11 https://juror13lw.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/ja-and-ta-may-26-2008-gmail-chat-transcribed2.pdf

"Travis: that is what took u so long to write
Me: Well it would have been done sooner but I was watching you type"

 

[Val1]

Yeah, I had to stare at those pics much longer than any human should endure and I came to the same conclusion, it's not the same bottle. I thought that was the direction JM was going when questioning Flores about the bottle top but maybe he was trying to point out that T was actually throwing the bottle at her.

I tried to show way back when that they were different, but just remember getting a lot of flack for daring to question the evidence... also, her pic where it shows is taken towards the upper left corner of the bedroom while TA's are taken towards the lower right.

 

[RickshawFan]

Do people really share their online account passwords? I know married couples who don't have each others' email password and wouldn't ask for it. I am sure some people might not mind if their spouse or significant other had their FB password, or myspace back when people actually used that. But TA and JA were not married and did not even consider the other their "significant". So she's lying about that as well as most everything else. I guess I am wondering if it occurs often enough that she could rest assured that everyone would believe her when she said they traded their passwords. I can't think of many instances where such a practice would be a good idea--maybe in the event of some sort of emergency, but that's about it.

No, it wasn't believable. I mean, who does that? Plus, IIRC, he and his friends kept mentioning that she got into his SM accounts and emails.

 

[RickshawFan]

Did anyone else notice (or remember from before) that the killer told Flores she could check her cell phone call record on the "internet" to look up specific calls she'd made and times?

As in, itemized long distance calls on the Helio? Is that how the Helio service worked back then?

Yes she said that. I noticed from what you posted just a few posts ago. It surprised me, because then she changed the times she had called. She should have been able to reproduce it exactly.

I don't see why you couldn't look up your cell phone calls. You have to know how much money you're spending on your cell phone and whether to get a more robust service. LE can get that information: it shows up in a lot of cases...

That's the advantage of those throw-away phones: LE can't access the calls....

Related subject: LE must have the IP addresses of when she hacked into TA's emails etc. or made fake emails..... Except when she was using his computer with his passwords.

 

[RickshawFan]

Can you even remove the key from the ignition with the car still in gear? Was the BMW a stick shift? It may be possible with one of those but I'm pretty sure it's not with most automatics, not sure it even matters what the transmission is, I think it's a safety feature to not allow the key to be removed while the car is still in gear.

This whole "BMW engine fell apart" story never made sense to me. But could they have verified with UHaul? JA gave Flores some BS about how the attorney and the insurance company hadn't got around to addressing the damage and they were very vague, which doesn't ring true at all. Auto insurance companies assess the situation right away. Otherwise, you could drive the car off and create more damage, and they'd never be any the wiser. The insurance company would have been Travis', not Jodi's. I don't believe Jodi even had auto insurance.