Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

[Val1]

Does anyone remember when TA found Zach's camera in his BMW?

I came across this and it reminded me that at one point I was going to try to find out if the memory card for the camera that took this pic would have been compatible with TA's new camera. The date is intriguing too, was it photoshopped("Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows Date and Time (Modified) 2007:10:12 00:00:27") about the same time as the camera was in the car?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27308599@N07/2547017803/meta/in/photostream

"Dates
Taken on October 5, 2007 at 5.07PM PST
Posted to Flickr June 3, 2008 at 12.28AM PST
Exif data
Camera Sony DSC-W7"

 

[Val1]

geevee, did you ever figure out what this link was all about?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/96983457@N05/8957843378/

 

[pocketaccent]

Re: Daft videos- From Day 13, Dworkin testimony.

Exibit 419- listed under cookies is:

Title: Daft Bodies - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
2 view count from his laptop.
No time information. Why?? Techies, does it mean anything?

Then under the history-

-4:08:11 am

Url name: youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8 (Matches court exhibit)

Title: (Drunk) Daft Punk - Harder Bodies Faster Stronger (DRUNK) -> per court exhibit

but it looks like the title has been updated by youtuber to Daft Punk Bodies Drunk *WAY SEXIER THAN THE OTHERS* (original upload). The Url is the same.

youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8 (add https://www. if you want to follow this link to verify. Websleuth doesn't let me post more than 1 video link.)


[video=youtube;qG5EsSLSXP8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8[/video]


- 4:11:04 am

Url name : youtube.com/watch?v=K2cYWfg--Nw ->matches court exhibit (sorry, can't post video)
Title: Daft Hands - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger ->matches the exhibit

- 4:15:13 am

Url name : youtube.com/watch?v=alqMOIYeH54 ->matches court exhibit (sorry, can't post video)
Title: Daft Hands - Double Speed (Faster, Better) -> matches the exhibit


Did JA really watch people dancing with boxes on their head withTravis?
How unlikely of her to not mention 'hot sexy babes' dancing?

 

[ICit]

If I am remembering correctly it was when she was leaving Arizona that Travis found Zac's camera in the bmw.

 

[Hope4More]

If I am remembering correctly it was when she was leaving Arizona that Travis found Zac's camera in the bmw.

Actually, I think it was mid-March. The 16th or 18th. He mentioned finding Zach's camera in the BMW the same day he wrote about his journal and diamond ring being "lost."


I doubt very much that Zach left it there. The killer did, IMO. Why? Because she used it. Why? She had 3 cameras of her own. And if she took pics with it, she wouldn't have left them on the camera. She's have put in a memory stick, took pics, then put Zack's memory stick back in.

And if so, she'd have a memory stick that was compatible with T's new camera. Whatever her intentions were at the time. Maybe she just felt entitled to try out Zack's (vastly superior) camera because after all, SHE was the professional photographer.

 

[Hope4More]

FWIW, and probably not very much, about those pics.


The defense and JM both used the pics to their own advantage during the trial, and each told a story about the pics and what they represented. But those stories obviously came AFTER the fact.

Think before the fact. The killer had been setting up Travis the entire month of May. On May 21 Travis turned the tables on her (set her up via phone with a pretend liaison with an online woman), and by the end of May was outing her to his friends, however selectively.

She went to Mesa not just to kill him, but for psychological revenge. What if she put the pics in his camera, then later on showed them to him, or made sure he saw them? How off balance would that make him feel, to know that she was planting sex "evidence" everywhere, even on his own camera?

He'd have deleted them, or she would have deleted them (each for different reasons), and maybe she knew all along she'd throw the camera in the washer afterwards, thinking to destroy all evidence of the pics.

Or another scenario, but viewed from her point of view and state of mind going there and being there June 4th, not after-the fact scenarios of a day we still know next to nothing about, imo.

 

[Hope4More]

Does anyone remember when TA found Zach's camera in his BMW?

I came across this and it reminded me that at one point I was going to try to find out if the memory card for the camera that took this pic would have been compatible with TA's new camera. The date is intriguing too, was it photoshopped("Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows Date and Time (Modified) 2007:10:12 00:00:27") about the same time as the camera was in the car?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27308599@N07/2547017803/meta/in/photostream

"Dates
Taken on October 5, 2007 at 5.07PM PST
Posted to Flickr June 3, 2008 at 12.28AM PST
Exif data
Camera Sony DSC-W7"

Interestingly enough (or pure coincidence), it is on the night of June 3 at the exceedingly early hour (for Travis) of around 11:30pm that that his text record goes blank until the following morning. No texts in or out. Just about the same time photos of Travis are being uploaded to Flickr, photos that are definitely taken by the killer (with 3 different cameras).

 

[Hatfield]

Actually, I think it was mid-March. The 16th or 18th. He mentioned finding Zach's camera in the BMW the same day he wrote about his journal and diamond ring being "lost."


I doubt very much that Zach left it there. The killer did, IMO. Why? Because she used it. Why? She had 3 cameras of her own. And if she took pics with it, she wouldn't have left them on the camera. She's have put in a memory stick, took pics, then put Zack's memory stick back in.

And if so, she'd have a memory stick that was compatible with T's new camera. Whatever her intentions were at the time. Maybe she just felt entitled to try out Zack's (vastly superior) camera because after all, SHE was the professional photographer.

I think you are on right track
How about this.?

She runs into compatibility issues trying to setup Travis by putting compromising photos on his laptop. She cant do like she planned using her camera and laptop because of compatibility issues.

So she gets Zachs camera because she knows his camera was able to download to his laptop.

So she takes Zachs memory card and puts her sex photos on it from her laptop and then takes the memory card and puts it in his laptop so she can send emails to his friends to get him in trouble. Or just to leave them there for the time being so she could do that later or LE would find when she killed him.

Then her plan was to delete everything from zachs memory card and put zachs camera back and nobody would ever know.

Somewhere along the line she either has trouble or gets confused whos is whos
It may explain why no time stamp and only thumbnails on certain photos.

She definitely forgot to put zachs camera back.


It is becoming very apparent that this monster was much worse than I ever though with her devious schemes.

I am convinced she was constantly scheming and doing things to set people up and get people in trouble. That was her job. Her whole existence in those latter weeks and days was to scheme and setup Travis.
And if others got in her way then they were just collateral damage to her. I.e. Zach's camera being used.

She was a monster of all monsters.

 

[Hatfield]

Something else too.....

At some point I want to go back and research what I had previously researched about her possibly putting a known virus on his machine. The "screen saver bug crawler/screen eater" virus.

I had done some research a long time ago and at the time I got convinced she purposely put a screen saver virus on his machine. This I believe happened while she was in California and I think before she decided to kill him. I think she did that when she was very mad at him but she had not yet decided that her ultimate act was to kill him.

I think she had gotten this bug screen saver virus herself by accident on her own machine and thought it was perfect to put on Travis laptop. She found that all it took was installing the screen saver with a simple executable file you click on.

Since she had his password to his email, then I think she emailed it as an attachment and then got Travis to install it. He may have not known what it was he was clicking on and he did not make the tie in that she was the one who set him up about the executable.

That virus was very nasty at the time and it was a known virus going around.

I am convinced that JA caused it to get on Travis machine.

She was happy with her evil work about that but was not satisfied. She had to end up killing him because she was so obsessed that things like that were not enough for her.

the monster of all monsters.

 

[Hope4More]

Re: Daft videos- From Day 13, Dworkin testimony.

Exibit 419- listed under cookies is:

Title: Daft Bodies - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
2 view count from his laptop.
No time information. Why?? Techies, does it mean anything?

Then under the history-

-4:08:11 am

Url name: youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8 (Matches court exhibit)

Title: (Drunk) Daft Punk - Harder Bodies Faster Stronger (DRUNK) -> per court exhibit

but it looks like the title has been updated by youtuber to Daft Punk Bodies Drunk *WAY SEXIER THAN THE OTHERS* (original upload). The Url is the same.

youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8 (add https://www. if you want to follow this link to verify. Websleuth doesn't let me post more than 1 video link.)


[video=youtube;qG5EsSLSXP8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG5EsSLSXP8[/video]


- 4:11:04 am

Url name : youtube.com/watch?v=K2cYWfg--Nw ->matches court exhibit (sorry, can't post video)
Title: Daft Hands - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger ->matches the exhibit

- 4:15:13 am

Url name : youtube.com/watch?v=alqMOIYeH54 ->matches court exhibit (sorry, can't post video)
Title: Daft Hands - Double Speed (Faster, Better) -> matches the exhibit


Did JA really watch people dancing with boxes on their head withTravis?
How unlikely of her to not mention 'hot sexy babes' dancing?

I'm confused. You said a youtuber updated the Daft Hand video to another version entirely? But the URL still matches? Don't understand how that's possible, but I'm pretty dense with tech stuff, sorry.

When was it updated?

 

[MaLou]

FWIW, and probably not very much, about those pics.


The defense and JM both used the pics to their own advantage during the trial, and each told a story about the pics and what they represented. But those stories obviously came AFTER the fact.

Think before the fact. The killer had been setting up Travis the entire month of May. On May 21 Travis turned the tables on her (set her up via phone with a pretend liaison with an online woman), and by the end of May was outing her to his friends, however selectively.

She went to Mesa not just to kill him, but for psychological revenge. What if she put the pics in his camera, then later on showed them to him, or made sure he saw them? How off balance would that make him feel, to know that she was planting sex "evidence" everywhere, even on his own camera?

He'd have deleted them, or she would have deleted them (each for different reasons), and maybe she knew all along she'd throw the camera in the washer afterwards, thinking to destroy all evidence of the pics.

Or another scenario, but viewed from her point of view and state of mind going there and being there June 4th, not after-the fact scenarios of a day we still know next to nothing about, imo.

\

^^^ This is what I have wondered; did she have another plan with those photos and all did not go according to plan? It's strange to me how blurry and out of focus they are that it's hard to believe they were taken by two willing sex partners. Nothing is erotic about the photos of Travis and are taken from an odd angle. The ones of Jodi are blurry and look like she either took them of herself or a are photos of a photo.

 

[krkrjx]

FWIW, and probably not very much, about those pics.


The defense and JM both used the pics to their own advantage during the trial, and each told a story about the pics and what they represented. But those stories obviously came AFTER the fact.

Think before the fact. The killer had been setting up Travis the entire month of May. On May 21 Travis turned the tables on her (set her up via phone with a pretend liaison with an online woman), and by the end of May was outing her to his friends, however selectively.

She went to Mesa not just to kill him, but for psychological revenge. What if she put the pics in his camera, then later on showed them to him, or made sure he saw them? How off balance would that make him feel, to know that she was planting sex "evidence" everywhere, even on his own camera?

He'd have deleted them, or she would have deleted them (each for different reasons), and maybe she knew all along she'd throw the camera in the washer afterwards, thinking to destroy all evidence of the pics.

Or another scenario, but viewed from her point of view and state of mind going there and being there June 4th, not after-the fact scenarios of a day we still know next to nothing about, imo.

Yours is a very important post, imo, because it stresses that a scenario can and likely will be viewed differently AFTER certain other facts are known or assumptions made. For one thing, she burglarized her grandparents' home and stole a gun; same caliber as the one used in the crime. She also stabbed Travis with a knife. Both weapons were not at the scene when the crime was discovered and the obvious assumption is that she took them with her when she left. From there it is easy to assume that she brought both with her. But we still cannot know for sure why she brought two different weapons, or if she might even have had a larger arsenal available to her.

Another thing this stresses is that initially the investigators assumed things based on what the crime scene showed. One example might be that the gunshot was first but after some facts were made known (by autopsy, for one thing) the scenario looked a bit different and it was then believed that the gunshot may have been last.

I think it is too easy to fall into a mode of thinking based on what was reported immediately after the murder was discovered. What is not so easy is to then reassess one's viewpoint once other facts become known or reasonable assumptions have been made. Even now after trial and conviction it is not too late to look back and see where reassessing is necessary to the best possible understanding of what happened, when, and maybe even why.

I see in the posts that many here have reassessed in attempts to figure out what went down not just that fateful day, but in the weeks before and after. That says we have a lot of open minds here which is, imo, a good thing.


IMO.

 

[geevee]

geevee, did you ever figure out what this link was all about?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/96983457@N05/8957843378/

Nope, I even sent an e-mail and never received a response nor a bounce back (if account were closed), being that they were uploaded late June 2nd/early a.m. June 3rd it seems to me it could only have been her or Travis. I have wondered if he was uploading pics there to use on his website, some sites partner like that and it's just a click or two to have pics at Flickr show on another site (Ravelry and Flickr work like that) but these pics are still a mystery as to the who and why.

 

[Hope4More]

Nope, I even sent an e-mail and never received a response nor a bounce back (if account were closed), being that they were uploaded late June 2nd/early a.m. June 3rd it seems to me it could only have been her or Travis. I have wondered if he was uploading pics there to use on his website, some sites partner like that and it's just a click or two to have pics at Flickr show on another site (Ravelry and Flickr work like that) but these pics are still a mystery as to the who and why.

Who is more likely?

The killer is at Matt's house for the night, thinking over kill plans and who knows, maybe talking with Matt about parts of her plan. Maybe even about cameras and memory sticks. Matt is a Photoshop/graphics etc. pro, right?

Meanwhile Travis is spending late evening texting non-stop with Regan. Until close to 11:30pm where the conversation ends abruptly with Regan telling him not to tease her the way he is...End of texts.

When was the first pic uploaded? Maybe TA caught her uploading in his name?

 

[geevee]

Who is more likely?

The killer is at Matt's house for the night, thinking over kill plans and who knows, maybe talking with Matt about parts of her plan. Maybe even about cameras and memory sticks. Matt is a Photoshop/graphics etc. pro, right?

Meanwhile Travis is spending late evening texting non-stop with Regan. Until close to 11:30pm where the conversation ends abruptly with Regan telling him not to tease her the way he is...End of texts.

When was the first pic uploaded? Maybe TA caught her uploading in his name?

Ever since Flickr updated I can't get the 'what is EXIF' link that shows the times they were uploaded but I think the one Val posted the link to is the first, at 12:28 a.m. June 3rd, the account itself was opened about an hour before, iirc (~11:00 something p.m. on June 2nd).

I agree, the chances are it was JA who did it - I'd so love to know the why, and also how he'd find out she was uploading pics - did she send him any texts that evening? Was it the night before (or early a.m. June 2nd) that she and he talked?

 

[Hope4More]

Ever since Flickr updated I can't get the 'what is EXIF' link that shows the times they were uploaded but I think the one Val posted the link to is the first, at 12:28 a.m. June 3rd, the account itself was opened about an hour before, iirc (~11:00 something p.m. on June 2nd).

I agree, the chances are it was JA who did it - I'd so love to know the why, and also how he'd find out she was uploading pics - did she send him any texts that evening? Was it the night before (or early a.m. June 2nd) that she and he talked?

She sent her last text to him early morning June 2, nagging him to call her. They spoke between 3-4am.

After that, no (surviving ) texts between them, just her very short calls to him on June 2 and 3rd.


Fwiw...sometime in late May when Travis and Maria were texting, he told her he had no idea how to upload a pic onto MySpace. He didn't seem to know much about computers etc. Someone designed his website for him, and Travis seemed to rely on him to do even the most basic of stuff for him afterwards.

I really don't think he created his own Flickr acct in the middle of the night on June 2. And..didn't she also open a YouTube acct around this time too?

 

[Hope4More]

The killer was in Lodi, CA at 8:41pm on June 2. She supposedly stayed with Matt that night in Monterey.

(ETA- rechecked her journal. She says she called Matt when she was "getting closer to Monterey," and he told her to drive to Santa Cruz to meet up with him and Karim at the Red Room. Santa Cruz is roughly a 2 hour or so drive from Lodi.

Matt ordered her crabcakes, they shared tuna tartare (she writes- its OK because having a baby isn't going to happen anytime soon, lol!)

From there they walked a couple of blocks to somewhere and he forced her to do karaoke. What songs she sang. That the mood at the bar changed because of the power of her voice...etc.

So much detail, and written after 3 Flores phone interviews.

Photos uploaded at 12:30 odd AM?

 

[geevee]

She sent her last text to him early morning June 2, nagging him to call her. They spoke between 3-4am.

After that, no (surviving ) texts between them, just her very short calls to him on June 2 and 3rd.


Fwiw...sometime in late May when Travis and Maria were texting, he told her he had no idea how to upload a pic onto MySpace. He didn't seem to know much about computers etc. Someone designed his website for him, and Travis seemed to rely on him to do even the most basic of stuff for him afterwards.

I really don't think he created his own Flickr acct in the middle of the night on June 2. And..didn't she also open a YouTube acct around this time too?

Oh, well, then I definitely lean towards her doing the Flickr if he wasn't versed at all in pic uploading - not that it's all that difficult once you know how but why would he stop texting with Regan abruptly just to teach himself how to do it on Flickr? Esp. if his .net website didn't have the Flickr share deal? No, had to be her, but why? Everything with her always comes down to the reason why...why?!?

P.S. And also, unless she'd given him those pics herself, he couldn't have done the Flickr because they were opened/modified with Photoshop and he didn't use that.

 

[Hope4More]

Oh, well, then I definitely lean towards her doing the Flickr if he wasn't versed at all in pic uploading - not that it's all that difficult once you know how but why would he stop texting with Regan abruptly just to teach himself how to do it on Flickr? Esp. if his .net website didn't have the Flickr share deal? No, had to be her, but why? Everything with her always comes down to the reason why...why?!?

P.S. And also, unless she'd given him those pics herself, he couldn't have done the Flickr because they were opened/modified with Photoshop and he didn't use that.

There is no way to know why about any of this. Just guesses, eh?

Looking at patterns of behavior by her, and her resources.

1. She pulled the same manipulations/stunts on him, over and over and over, to the point where Travis even told her she was insulting his intelligence to think he would believe her same old lies about the same old "transgressions.".

He told her that on May 26, but not for the first time.

2. She loved her technology. The pic of her room at her grandparents' showed multiple computers, printers, computer- related manuals.

3. She was in pretty close contact with 2 computer -literate "friends, " Gus S. and Matt.

4. She had a long long history of snooping her BFs' emails, phone calls, texts, etc.

5. She forwarded to herself texts on T's phone from women friends, before she and T even began their few months long "relationship."

6. T friends say she rushed onto FB to "friend" every woman she found out Travis was in contact with.


7. She hacked into ALL of his SM accounts.

8. She was aggressive enough and angry enough and unafraid enough to mess with Travis while he was online, signing him off over and over while he was trying to access his SM.

9. She was trying to "send something down the pipeline" on FB AFTER the May 22 confrontation, and he caught her. (Note her journal says they changed passwords on the 22nd).

10. She believed she was an exceptional professional photographer and that she was an expert on all things camera.

 

[pocketaccent]

I'm confused. You said a youtuber updated the Daft Hand video to another version entirely? But the URL still matches? Don't understand how that's possible, but I'm pretty dense with tech stuff, sorry.

When was it updated?

According to Dworkin, Travis watched 3 Daft videos.
But those 3 videos do not include Daft Bodies - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger- the one JA was describing to Flores.
Those 3 videos include the one I posted earlier (post #203), plus two of fingers and hand dancing.

Watch Day 13, Dworkin testimony. Watch from 1:01:20 for about 8 minutes.
Watch with pen and paper to jot down info. Pay close attention to Url name.


[video=youtube;i2dF0k_dsY0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2dF0k_dsY0[/video]

During the testimony, even JM doesn't realize the 4:08 video is not the people dancing with boxes on their head.
Regarding your question, the youtuber did not change the content, just changed the title of the video only. I guess there were so many other imitating Daft videos so the youtuber added 'way sexier than others' to attract more people.