Sentencing and beyond- Jodi Arias General Discussion #4

[geevee]

This all reminds me, does anyone know how to check to see how many domains JA owned back then? I recall her mentioning one that she said she'd forgotten she had, implying she was in the business of buying up names and reselling them.

You used to be able to search Arin Whois for domain ownership, not sure if that's still in operation though.

 

[geevee]

Another question and yea I could probably spend a few weeks and go back and reread all the threads myself... but does anyone recall why everyone seems to think she took Hwy 93 up to Kingman and didn't backtrack past Buckeye to Hwy 95 and up that way, getting lost, having a bonfire, cleaning her car, washing her hands, or whatever... and then on to LV the back way? She could have avoided Hoover Dam, still gotten north of Kingman for the ping and could easily have thought she was outside AZ at a few points... I think.
http://adot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/On...x.html?appid=ffc7de383a2d424cb28221bec8bcc51b

I do think she was on 40 and that's how she got back into AZ (probably unaware) when she made the VM to Travis, and IIRC in her testimony she told JM she stopped in Buckeye Lake for gas on her way to Travis' - she didn't need gas there as she had 3 full cans in the trunk from Pasadena. Granted she might have paid cash and not saved a receipt as it would prove she was in AZ but I doubt it, could be where the Buckeye Lake came from though. As far as I know she didn't stop for gas that night until she hit Mesquite, NV, but I also don't think she went over Hoover Dam, she'd have been stopped for the upside down license plate, I feel sure.

 

[Val1]

I do think she was on 40 and that's how she got back into AZ (probably unaware) when she made the VM to Travis, and IIRC in her testimony she told JM she stopped in Buckeye Lake for gas on her way to Travis' - she didn't need gas there as she had 3 full cans in the trunk from Pasadena. Granted she might have paid cash and not saved a receipt as it would prove she was in AZ but I doubt it, could be where the Buckeye Lake came from though. As far as I know she didn't stop for gas that night until she hit Mesquite, NV, but I also don't think she went over Hoover Dam, she'd have been stopped for the upside down license plate, I feel sure.

We're all assuming she didn't lie about getting to Mesa at 4am... maybe she had taken that detour to San Diego after all and needed to top up at Buckeye? As noted by others, if she'd parked on the street for a full day someone might have noticed her car, yet I can't see her having parked in TA's driveway all day either, it would have been too risky(TA, roommates, neighbours) and I doubt she ran out and moved it throughout the day to avoid notice, wherever she had parked. Whereas if she didn't get there until 3-4pm, saw Zach leave and then parked wherever, snuck in while TA was sleeping and was snooping in his office/pc/camera when she heard him get up then waited for him to get in the shower.. ? Possible?

Re the video, she had almost a week to check at home as to what Daft Hands was(though I sure wish I hadn't deleted all my old info/links after the trial, I know I had dug up info showing that her and one of her old myspace buddies had shared that video info previously but can't find it again argh!!) assuming the browser was still open to it when she woke up his pc, or when she checked his email that afternoon for that airlines receipt had possibly seen a link for it there or on his cell phone from DR as someone suggested above.

 

[geevee]

We're all assuming she didn't lie about getting to Mesa at 4am... maybe she had taken that detour to San Diego after all and needed to top up at Buckeye? As noted by others, if she'd parked on the street for a full day someone might have noticed her car, yet I can't see her having parked in TA's driveway all day either, it would have been too risky(TA, roommates, neighbours) and I doubt she ran out and moved it throughout the day to avoid notice, wherever she had parked. Whereas if she didn't get there until 3-4pm, saw Zach leave and then parked wherever, snuck in while TA was sleeping and was snooping in his office/pc/camera when she heard him get up then waited for him to get in the shower.. ? Possible?

Re the video, she had almost a week to check at home as to what Daft Hands was(though I sure wish I hadn't deleted all my old info/links after the trial, I know I had dug up info showing that her and one of her old myspace buddies had shared that video info previously but can't find it again argh!!) assuming the browser was still open to it when she woke up his pc, or when she checked his email that afternoon for that airlines receipt had possibly seen a link for it there or on his cell phone from DR as someone suggested above.

Possible, but I tend to think if she bought more gas in CA we'd have seen evidence of it (receipt, bank debit) as she didn't feel she had anything to hide being in that state - however, I can entertain the idea of her not going immediately to AZ, she'd have known at least Zach lived there and would likely be going to work in the morning so maybe wouldn't feel the need to be there and have to wait for him to leave while trying not to be seen. I've always wondered if she hadn't seen Gus either going to AZ or on her way home, I think he knows quite a bit more about all of this than he's ever let on.

Really interesting her knowing about the Daft Hands video before that day.

Did LE ever dust his laptop or phone for fingerprints? I don't recall hearing about that but it just seems like it would be a standard thing to do.

 

[Val1]

Possible, but I tend to think if she bought more gas in CA we'd have seen evidence of it (receipt, bank debit) as she didn't feel she had anything to hide being in that state - however, I can entertain the idea of her not going immediately to AZ, she'd have known at least Zach lived there and would likely be going to work in the morning so maybe wouldn't feel the need to be there and have to wait for him to leave while trying not to be seen. I've always wondered if she hadn't seen Gus either going to AZ or on her way home, I think he knows quite a bit more about all of this than he's ever let on.

Really interesting her knowing about the Daft Hands video before that day.

Did LE ever dust his laptop or phone for fingerprints? I don't recall hearing about that but it just seems like it would be a standard thing to do.

Hrmm, if she had played the poor me I don't have enough moola to drive allll the way down to SD(or wherever) to see you(JD/GS/??) even though the thought of seeing you again makes me swoon with desire... surely whoever would have tossed her a few bucks? :thinking:

Re dusting the desk and stuff, I would hope so... though I don't recall hearing any specifics on that either.

 

[Val1]

I do think she was on 40 and that's how she got back into AZ (probably unaware) when she made the VM to Travis, and IIRC in her testimony she told JM she stopped in Buckeye Lake for gas on her way to Travis' - she didn't need gas there as she had 3 full cans in the trunk from Pasadena. Granted she might have paid cash and not saved a receipt as it would prove she was in AZ but I doubt it, could be where the Buckeye Lake came from though. As far as I know she didn't stop for gas that night until she hit Mesquite, NV, but I also don't think she went over Hoover Dam, she'd have been stopped for the upside down license plate, I feel sure.

This is the route I was thinking she had taken, as for disposing of evidence, between rest areas, truck stops, wide open spaces etc it wouldn't have been difficult. Heck, she could have stopped at any one of a number of campsites anywhere along any of the routes and made a wee bonfire, she even had extra water to put it out with when she was done.



I dug this link up again, does it match up with what we know?

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/02/11/jodi-arias-trial-tragic-roadtrip

"
At 5:33 p.m. There is a picture of blood on the baseboard.
<snipped>
At 10:30 p.m., Arias calls Burns to tell him she got lost but she's on her way and will be in Utah by the morning.

In the 11 p.m. hour, Arias calls Alexander's phone three times:

The first call is at 11:37 p.m. and is 31 seconds long.

The second call is at 11:48 p.m. and she leaves a voicemail.

The third call was at 11:53 p.m. It was 16 minutes long.

Investigators say Arias may have accessed Alexander's voicemail account on June 4. Phone records show Arias was

between Kingman, Arizona, and the Nevada border when she made the calls.

JUNE 5, 2008:

West Jordan, Utah

Between 10 a.m. and 11 a.m, Burns says Arias arrived in West Jordan,"

edit note: just for reference, it took her around 12 hours to get to RB after calling him approximately 45 miles from Kingman... it takes 6 hours from LV, 8 hours from Desert Hills, either would work with her claim of having taken another nap, which she told RB, or plenty of time to stop and clean up any evidence, gas permitting.

 

[wasnt_me]

In the top pic the bottle doesn't look very white to me and it looks quite a bit larger than the one beside her.
View attachment 87331

Objects closer to a camera appear bigger. You think there's now two sets of sex pics now?

 

[wasnt_me]

If I am remembering correctly it was when she was leaving Arizona that Travis found Zac's camera in the bmw.

That's not correct. It was March 18 or 19 and Travis set a trap for zack because Zack might have been using the BMW while Travis was in OKC. This happened right after Travis returned from convention.

 

[Val1]

Objects closer to a camera appear bigger. You think there's now two sets of sex pics now?

I've never claimed there was two sets of pics... but I do have some experience with cameras and how they work, I've been around cameras all my life, my father had his own photo studio back in the day.

 

[geevee]

Do you think she went to Vegas, or just the route passing by on the way to SLC? The directions are opening too small to read so I can't see the endpoint.

 

[wasnt_me]

According to Dworkin, Travis watched 3 Daft videos.
But those 3 videos do not include Daft Bodies - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger- the one JA was describing to Flores.
Those 3 videos include the one I posted earlier (post #203), plus two of fingers and hand dancing.

Watch Day 13, Dworkin testimony. Watch from 1:01:20 for about 8 minutes.
Watch with pen and paper to jot down info. Pay close attention to Url name.


[video=youtube;i2dF0k_dsY0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2dF0k_dsY0[/video]

During the testimony, even JM doesn't realize the 4:08 video is not the people dancing with boxes on their head.
Regarding your question, the youtuber did not change the content, just changed the title of the video only. I guess there were so many other imitating Daft videos so the youtuber added 'way sexier than others' to attract more people.

When I typed those urls in back in 2013, I got women in black with foil boxes or something on their heads dancing exactly like Jodi described. It was my first time ever seeing it or hearing that song.

 

[La Louve]

You used to be able to search Arin Whois for domain ownership, not sure if that's still in operation though.

It is. But the search function and results look much streamlined from what they were ten or fifteen years ago. IIRC they used to display each segment of the data packet transmission. It now provides a lot of the ISP information but not an actual trace of the IP address. I didn't dig around too much though so I may have missed the correct search function.

But it's easy to google "IP lookup" and find other free sites that do trace the IPs to an actual geo location of the user. ip-tracker.org seems pretty good.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, it was an active log, so I could see calls from just a few minutes previous to when I logged into my account on the internet. How do I know this for sure? It's how I busted my now ex-husband having an affair. I'm nowhere near as sneaky or sly as JA, but I definitely knew how to check the phone logs online. (And how to clone an email, sending him a request to meet and have sex with some random woman, to which he responded and set up the date and time... and I was there waiting for him).

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That's hilarious. the lady who sold me my huskies busted her husband on facebook chats. She GPS located him later and found him on a roadside getting a "jodi."

 

[geevee]

It is. But the search function and results look much streamlined from what they were ten or fifteen years ago. IIRC they used to display each segment of the data packet transmission. It now provides a lot of the ISP information but not an actual trace of the IP address. I didn't dig around too much though so I may have missed the correct search function.

But it's easy to google "IP lookup" and find other free sites that do trace the IPs to an actual geo location of the user. ip-tracker.org seems pretty good.

Thanks LaLouve, I used to use Geobytes when I was looking for an IP location but don't recall if the domain owner was included in the info it provided.

 

[wasnt_me]

I've never claimed there was two sets of pics... but I do have some experience with cameras and how they work, I've been around cameras all my life, my father had his own photo studio back in the day.

If it's two different bottles is it not two different sets of pics? Or are you saying two different bottles happened to get in the same vicinity in the same set of pics? That's great about your father owning a photo studio. Maybe he has an opinion about the pics.

 

[wasnt_me]

This is the video

[video=youtube;lLYD_-A_X5E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYD_-A_X5E[/video]

Note that on Travis' log, the link adds "related" information. What that means is that he got to that video by watching similar videos.

For example, if I watch Jodi's trial day 1, on the right of my screen, youtube will recommend day 2 for me to watch. If I click on day two, my browser SHOULD say related context or something like it.

Please note that these women have boxes and foil and are dancing as Jodi indicated. Travis has this as the 4:08am view. but because he got there from a referred URL, it means he might have been watching similar context before 408am, which is why I keep saying Jodi was already there, watching with him.

She very accurately, without being told about it or prompted, described this video to Flores and she did it in the same manner as describing the floor cleaner. She was believable (how rare) when she gave those two accounts. They sounded like the truest things out of her mouth because they might have been the only truest things out of her mouth.

It's the same youtube video ID and it was posted in 2007. With over 18 million views, since 2007, it's not a wonder Jodi might have seen it pre june 4th.

Is there any reason to now doubt the information I gave?

 

[Val1]

If it's two different bottles is it not two different sets of pics? Or are you saying two different bottles happened to get in the same vicinity in the same set of pics? That's great about your father owning a photo studio. Maybe he has an opinion about the pics.

I'd ask him if he was still alive but since he's not... anyway, I believe the pics were from a previous time or even times(one covert operation by JA taking the pics of TA and either selfies or TA having taken pics of JA and after seeing what can never be unseen perhaps with as much horror as I felt...) and just happened to still be retrievable from the unallocated spaces that Det.M. dug them up from and until we see the metadata that would prove otherwise, I will stand by that.

 

[wasnt_me]

Stand by it. By all means. But you said it wasn't the same bottle. You didn't answer the question of what that means for the photos. Two sets of photos or two bottles of whatever in the same location of the same set of photos?

 

[pocketaccent]

This is the video

[video=youtube;lLYD_-A_X5E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYD_-A_X5E[/video]

Note that on Travis' log, the link adds "related" information. What that means is that he got to that video by watching similar videos.

For example, if I watch Jodi's trial day 1, on the right of my screen, youtube will recommend day 2 for me to watch. If I click on day two, my browser SHOULD say related context or something like it.

Please note that these women have boxes and foil and are dancing as Jodi indicated. Travis has this as the 4:08am view. but because he got there from a referred URL, it means he might have been watching similar context before 408am, which is why I keep saying Jodi was already there, watching with him.

She very accurately, without being told about it or prompted, described this video to Flores and she did it in the same manner as describing the floor cleaner. She was believable (how rare) when she gave those two accounts. They sounded like the truest things out of her mouth because they might have been the only truest things out of her mouth.

It's the same youtube video ID and it was posted in 2007. With over 18 million views, since 2007, it's not a wonder Jodi might have seen it pre june 4th.

Is there any reason to now doubt the information I gave?

Dworkin said Travis watched 3 Daft videos.
At 4:08, 4:11, 4:15.

He provided 3 distinctive urls and titles for those videos in his report. They are all different.
If you type urls belonging to those videos, you will not get any videos that JA described.

I think the one you posted is what Travis searched for. He received results from youtube, and he chose to watch the 3 from that result.

Notice the video you posted above and the title from your attachment do not match.

 

[wasnt_me]

I explained in my post that exact same thing and provided Dworkin's paperwork. It speaks for itself, doesn't it?

The original problem was people were saying there was NO video with what Jodi described. Here it is with the exact same Youtube ID.

ETA--I have figured out how to explain this link problem to you below. scroll to the next post.