Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think?

[Tugela]

cops holding back information LOL. Just go to the regular bars they go to and you could a blow by blow of the investigation. They used to go to Butterfields and regale each other with tales of derring do.

You first have to have something before you can hold it back.

Look what they did with the Etan Patz case. The police commissioner heard about it while in London and he tweeted the world.

That is what happens in unprofessional police forces. You will probably find that those same cops will have much higher incidences of false convictions because of "investigations" carried out with a preconcieved notion of the outcome.

 

[Peter Brendt]

A case is allways open until it is resolved. They don't call an unresolved case closed.

Which would be ok if they actually try to solve those cases. But effectively, they stand only in the way of those who try.

Peter

 

[Just K]

Not sure how to set up but I will certainly donate

Hope it is okay to provide a link where anyone can start a fund to finance a PI to investigate these murders. (if not please mod delete)


http://www.giveforward.com/

One case that I am familiar with, a friend died unexpectedly. He had no life insurance. A good friend of his made a page at the above link. Within 5 days, the goal was met and increased. They raised over, IIRC, $16,000 for his funeral and other related expenses. It was an amazing example of human kindness. All she did was post the link on his and her FB pages. Many others then posted the link on their own page.

This seems like a good route to set up a fund to finance the services of a good PI. It would require someone to set up the page and then coordinate a way to notify those who might be interested. BUT, it would need to be very specific and perhaps coordinated by only one person for one specific objective.

Providing a link (posting the link) on all of the most accessed social media websites would get the most responses, IMO.

 

[WINDSOR]

Just K

http://www.giveforward.com/

I checked out the site, and it appears to serve our needs. They do charge a 7% fee for all the money raised, but that probably is reasonable.

I was ready to set up the fundraiser when I realized that I could have a minor conflict of interest.

So I have have to ask one of you sleuthers, ideally somebody who is in contact with Mari Gilbert to set this up.

Thank you


WINDSOR

 

[Adler]

Just K

http://www.giveforward.com/

I checked out the site, and it appears to serve our needs. They do charge a 7% fee for all the money raised, but that probably is reasonable.

I was ready to set up the fundraiser when I realized that I could have a minor conflict of interest.

So I have have to ask one of you sleuthers, ideally somebody who is in contact with Mari Gilbert to set this up.

Thank you


WINDSOR

What a great idea! I'm down for this and have contacted Mari Gilbert. What does she need to do to help set this up? Is there a way to clean up parts of this particular thread that she and her family might find disturbing and hurtful? We are working for her family, right, and want to make this connection the best for all people involved. Again, great idea, and thanks for suggesting it.

 

[Adler]

That's with delay, but how hard would it be to create an extra threat with actual SK warnings. Kind of severe weather warnings for potential victim groups. It would need to be readable by guests and good to find right away from the home site of WS. No commenting, just a kind of warning board. I mean, we sit here on more information all over the information than any singe PD has. Just thinking. And if a mod has some technical ideas to that, please jump in!

Peter

I like this.

 

[Peter Brendt]

What a great idea! I'm down for this and have contacted Mari Gilbert. What does she need to do to help set this up? Is there a way to clean up parts of this particular thread that she and her family might find disturbing and hurtful? We are working for her family, right, and want to make this connection the best for all people involved. Again, great idea, and thanks for suggesting it.

Sorry to disagree in one point, but we gather theories and little pieces with the ultimate goal maybe to catch a killer. True, chances are anyway weak due to the permanent blocking of SCPD, but that is how I understood the goal and therefore I am not really happy about "cleansing" threads. And, even Mari Gilbert is the most vocal of the mothers, there are some more.

Peter

 

[Peter Brendt]

I like this.

Now we need only a mod telling us, how it can be done ...

Huhuuuu Mods! :kimsterwink::kimsterwink: (Sorry, the only "wink" I found is a Kimsterwink)

Peter

 

[Adler]

Sorry to disagree in one point, but we gather theories and little pieces with the ultimate goal maybe to catch a killer. True, chances are anyway weak due to the permanent blocking of SCPD, but that is how I understood the goal and therefore I am not really happy about "cleansing" threads. And, even Mari Gilbert is the most vocal of the mothers, there are some more.

Peter

What I like most about this website is that participants can come together and field questions and formulate ideas and harbor different opinions while remaining civilized. Peter, Mari would like to read this thread but is having difficultly getting registered to participate. Can you hook her up with somebody who can get her registered? Today I suggested that if the thread should not, would not be cleansed of that which she may find disturbing, she simply read the most current postings as those have less to do with skeletal remains and more to do with the nitty gritty practicalities of moving forward with an authentic investigation--something we all indubitably support--or that I read aloud and edit what is unnecessary to her directly over the phone.

Given that, I propose we all respect her presence, if even it is merely a short visit from her if she ever does register with Websleuths with success, as she peruses these last few posts and perhaps contributes herein. I take it she minces no words. Good. Refreshing here. For now then, and just for now, let's agree to focus on that fund raising endeavor; I will copy and paste the link to a private email to her, too.

One more note, and this one is for Mari, if she ever reads this here, as it is her pet peeve; and for all here who will read this: they say that psychopaths and sociopaths who kill have an inability to see their victims as an individuals, as real people, i.e., they see an object instead, and therein lies the crux of the problem to their humanity. They see monotone; no depth. It's a flaw in perception. If profilers and detectives and neighbors and tutors and readers and retired police officers and CVS cashiers and botonists and forensic specialists and spiritual leaders and doctors and jet-setters and all the rest see Shannan Gilbert in only the monotonous tone of "prostitute" then they are committing the very same probable offense as the serial killer himself albeit on a different level. Let's all agree to not do that when and if Mari Gilbert registers on WS to read this thread.

btw, on the phone i asked Mari, "what does 'imo' mean? lol

For what it is worth, imocphgah.

If any of you come out to SF, you will owe me a beer, too--I am sure of it.

til then

 

[truthspider]

Is the 911 emergency system in Suffolk County connected (shared/routed) to anybody in Oak Beach? Does Oak Beach have residents who volunteer their services in the event that a 911 call is pinged on their tower? Any medical or first-to-respond personnel in the Oak Beach gated community volunteering in that capacity? Finally, does anybody in the Oak Beach community possess a phone fetish that even he finds difficult to control?

one of the best questions I have heard asked on here. this needs to be answered..

 

[truthspider]

Let's agree on this: If SC entered the marsh, it was just about daylight, and she would not be running in the direction of any distant street light, such as those on the RM Bridge. If SC entered the marsh, lost her clothes, she would have turned back to Anchor Way because the prickly brambles and thorns would otherwise scratch her skin and hurt her arms, legs, feet otherwise. Probably, SC did not run into the marsh to begin at all. She continued down Anchor Way towards Larboard Ct. There is a curve in the road there. What is just around the bend?

BZZZZZZ! "What is a serial killer named Charles Peter Hackett who was living at 47 Larboard Court before he fled New York on foot"

"Yes, that's right. The ball is in your court truthspider"

ok, I'll take '6 million ways to kill a rapist' for $1000 Alex...

*the daily double* :Banane17:

 

[truthspider]

btw, on the phone i asked Mari, "what does 'imo' mean? lol

For what it is worth, imocphgah.

If any of you come out to SF, you will owe me a beer, too--I am sure of it.

til then

help me out with gah?

I won't owe you a beer will I Adler?

 

[LINative13]

You mean the 90 lb girl couldnt walk through the bramble that LE had to use a tank to get through?

 

[Peter Brendt]

What I like most about this website is that participants can come together and field questions and formulate ideas and harbor different opinions while remaining civilized. Peter, Mari would like to read this thread but is having difficultly getting registered to participate. Can you hook her up with somebody who can get her registered?

There is a button on the home page. But I doubt, anybody can register someone else unless it's a mod and there are special circumstances. So maybe Bessie, Shadowwraith or another mod can jump in here?

Today I suggested that if the thread should not, would not be cleansed of that which she may find disturbing, she simply read the most current postings as those have less to do with skeletal remains and more to do with the nitty gritty practicalities of moving forward with an authentic investigation--something we all indubitably support--or that I read aloud and edit what is unnecessary to her directly over the phone.

Whatever is needed. But Mari has talked with the ME, so I'm afraid, she is already pretty familiar with the subject.

Given that, I propose we all respect her presence, if even it is merely a short visit from her if she ever does register with Websleuths with success, as she peruses these last few posts and perhaps contributes herein. I take it she minces no words. Good. Refreshing here. For now then, and just for now, let's agree to focus on that fund raising endeavor; I will copy and paste the link to a private email to her, too.

k

One more note, and this one is for Mari, if she ever reads this here, as it is her pet peeve; and for all here who will read this: they say that psychopaths and sociopaths who kill have an inability to see their victims as an individuals, as real people, i.e., they see an object instead, and therein lies the crux of the problem to their humanity. They see monotone; no depth. It's a flaw in perception. If profilers and detectives and neighbors and tutors and readers and retired police officers and CVS cashiers and botonists and forensic specialists and spiritual leaders and doctors and jet-setters and all the rest see Shannan Gilbert in only the monotonous tone of "prostitute" then they are committing the very same probable offense as the serial killer himself albeit on a different level. Let's all agree to not do that when and if Mari Gilbert registers on WS to read this thread.

Of course, it would help if we would know about her than just the standard lines from the media.

btw, on the phone i asked Mari, "what does 'imo' mean? lol

For what it is worth, imocphgah.

If any of you come out to SF, you will owe me a beer, too--I am sure of it.

til then

If, which is highly unlikely, I come to SF, we can discuss that at a beer. Makes me think of that old song:

If you come to San Francisco, beter wear a .45 in your hand or something?

Peter

 

[Peter Brendt]

You mean the 90 lb girl couldnt walk through the bramble that LE had to use a tank to get through?

That tells us more about LE than the girl ...

 

[Peter Brendt]

BZZZZZZ! "What is a serial killer named Charles Peter Hackett who was living at 47 Larboard Court before he fled New York on foot"

"Yes, that's right. The ball is in your court truthspider"

ok, I'll take '6 million ways to kill a rapist' for $1000 Alex...

*the daily double* :Banane17:

Nice theory, but unfortunately, Coletti saw her, so the place where he saw her (hiding behind a boat near to his place) is the starting point. To say, she ran along those Oak Beach roads would mean, you ignore Coletti. And even without that problem, you still would have to explain how the one legged guy can go into the marsh carrying a body better than the 90 lbs girl alone. Well, you would first need to explain, why he would have the body at first and that would need a motive. Unless you say, CPH is the LISK, but then you would need to explain, why the signature is that different from the GB4.
As of yet, it looks more like CPH causes some kind of Pavlov-reflex to you.

Peter

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

What I like most about this website is that participants can come together and field questions and formulate ideas and harbor different opinions while remaining civilized. Peter, Mari would like to read this thread but is having difficultly getting registered to participate. Can you hook her up with somebody who can get her registered? Today I suggested that if the thread should not, would not be cleansed of that which she may find disturbing, she simply read the most current postings as those have less to do with skeletal remains and more to do with the nitty gritty practicalities of moving forward with an authentic investigation--something we all indubitably support--or that I read aloud and edit what is unnecessary to her directly over the phone.

Given that, I propose we all respect her presence, if even it is merely a short visit from her if she ever does register with Websleuths with success, as she peruses these last few posts and perhaps contributes herein. I take it she minces no words. Good. Refreshing here. For now then, and just for now, let's agree to focus on that fund raising endeavor; I will copy and paste the link to a private email to her, too.

One more note, and this one is for Mari, if she ever reads this here, as it is her pet peeve; and for all here who will read this: they say that psychopaths and sociopaths who kill have an inability to see their victims as an individuals, as real people, i.e., they see an object instead, and therein lies the crux of the problem to their humanity. They see monotone; no depth. It's a flaw in perception. If profilers and detectives and neighbors and tutors and readers and retired police officers and CVS cashiers and botonists and forensic specialists and spiritual leaders and doctors and jet-setters and all the rest see Shannan Gilbert in only the monotonous tone of "prostitute" then they are committing the very same probable offense as the serial killer himself albeit on a different level. Let's all agree to not do that when and if Mari Gilbert registers on WS to read this thread.

btw, on the phone i asked Mari, "what does 'imo' mean? lol

For what it is worth, imocphgah.

If any of you come out to SF, you will owe me a beer, too--I am sure of it.

til then

oh it gets even better
you said something about going out to San Francisco
and beer - in the same sentence?

San Francisco is one of the most beautiful, magical places on earth.
and beer - well, most beers are delicious..
hmmmmmm
put the two together....
and then on TOP of that you have a sleuther?

awwwwww right!!!!!

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Nice theory, but unfortunately, Coletti saw her, so the place where he saw her (hiding behind a boat near to his place) is the starting point. To say, she ran along those Oak Beach roads would mean, you ignore Coletti. And even without that problem, you still would have to explain how the one legged guy can go into the marsh carrying a body better than the 90 lbs girl alone. Well, you would first need to explain, why he would have the body at first and that would need a motive. Unless you say, CPH is the LISK, but then you would need to explain, why the signature is that different from the GB4.
As of yet, it looks more like CPH causes some kind of Pavlov-reflex to you.

Peter

PB -
how is the signature DIFFERENT than the GB4?
you have a skeleton - on a very short distance from ocean parkway -
only difference is that sg was NOT in burlap.

you have the skeleton - of what once was a young lady - who happened to go into the sex trade......

end up on the side of the road - dead - and is missing her hyoid bones.... which are the EXACT bones that forensic pathologics look for to prove strangulation in the case of a skeleton - but - those exact bones are missing. so......

she strikes me as THE EXACT SAME as the GB4 - only missing the burlap.

I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY MALLIA LOOKED FOR SHANNAN 5 MILES UP THE ROAD ON OCEAN PARKWAY in stead of in the exact marsh that she was found in....

OH - MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH THICK BRAMBLE - THAT THE DOGS COULDNT GET THRU, THE COPS COULDNT GET THRU AND THE COPS FIGURED - OH NO ONE CAN GET THRU THERE SO SHE DIDNT RUN IN THERE.

but on top of that - you had a FBI BLACKHAWK helicopter with special high resonance and every top bell and whistle scanning the ground out there AND THE HELICOPTER DID NOT FIND SHANNAN

WHY?

BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT THERE WHEN THE HELICOPTER WAS SEARCHING FOR HER... neither was her PHONE which the helicopter would have found.

when i view the footage of the hundreds - if not thousands of cops - walking - searching and the (i think it was NINE dogs?) searching the area......THEY ARE NEVER IN THE MARSH WHERE SHE WAS FOUND?
duh? WHY didnt they search that marsh? didnt anyone else ever find it strange that they found her purse, shoes, blue jeans and phone on a (i think wednesday) and then 2 days later - THEY FOUND HER LIP GLOSS? i'm mean - talk about finding a needle in a hey stack!!!! LIP GLOSS????? its about the size of a finger... IN THAT MARSH? c'mon!!!!! and her identification was PICTURE PERFECT???? NO WATER DAMAGE???? AFTER something like TWO NOR'EASTERS and ONE HURRICANE???? c'mon A PAPER PRODUCT WITH NO WATER DAMAGE? BUT YET - SHANNAN DROWNED (allegedly in the beginning as is the WORD by DORMER)
hello?

and i just saw the "Disappeared: Footprints in the sand" show on Shannan and they interviewed Chief of Detectives Dominick Varrone - who was advising Dormer - at the press conference at Oak Beach on Dec. 13 - 2011 - and he specifically states - YOU COULD NOT GET THROUGH THAT BRAMBLE.....(literally) he states that !!!!!!!
Actually he literally uses the word INPENETRABLE.....I almost fell off my chair when I heard him say that.

He said the police had to get the amphibious tractor....

so - shannan is coherent enough to cry scream plead for help with a 911 operator for 21 minutes... and then... she's labeled CRAZY or DRUG FILLED PSYCHOTIC??? running thru yards screaming for help?

she did NOT run thru that marsh looking for a STREET LIGHT to save her life.
PEOPLE CALL POLICE not street lights.
SHE WAS NOT LOOKING FOR A STREET LIGHT for LIGHT.
the sky was lit up - you had a 95 percent full moon in the sky as the moon had just been full 2 nights earlier.
you had 70 houses to hide behind.

You know - when you see people interviewed about losing a loved one - they usually choke up and start crying.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN MICHAEL PAK CRYING OVER SHANNAN's DEATH
and even worse
I HAVE NEVER SEEN ALEX DIAZ CRYING ....when discussing Shannan's death - he had on sunglasses.

I did NOT see ALEX DIAZ running TO the suffolk county police to demand justice done for shannan.
not once. NEVER. He didnt even shed a tear. He never choked up. He was only his narcissistic self saying how the police tapped his phone and were following him around. HE NEVER PUT SHANNAN FIRST. NEVER.

when you love someone - you get angry on THEIR behalf...Alex has NEVER done that. NEVER.
He's fearful. as is Pak.

This case is not over.
She was murdered.

Peter - may i please impress upon you - until you have been to the EXACT location of the john's house she was at - and see the path - to run from the john's house - to Coletti's house and then where she ended up at Brennan's house - YOU CAN NOT COMMENT on it. YOU HAVE GOT TO SEE IN PERSON ....the logistics of it all. May i please impress that upon you Peter - can you please appreciate having seen it in PERSON -

once you do
your mind will blow up and you will say
yet again
WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?

 

[LINative13]

Mind blowing aint it? I am convinced that the cops are withholding SIGNIFICANT information.

 

[LINative13]

Originally Posted by LINative13
What if they were originally searching down the road by gilgo because they had a tip? I mean, it just is not logical. The search fanned all the way out to gilgo but SG was just there the whole time(literally just down the road)? SG was found on a tip (per MSM); maybe the other girls were as well?

We talk about the odds alot in this case. What are the odds SG was killed by same guy who did GB4? Or what are the odds SG slipt fell and landed and died BY a serial killers dumpsite. Well what are the odds that blue and his handler just drove down the road jumped out and started searching? I am not suggesting the dog and his handler are involved, but maybe they are getting some guidance on where to search. That handlers bosses may have been getting tips the whole time and actually know ALOT more abou this case than they are releasing.

The details of blue and his handlers search plans would be pretty useful but, I dont think we are getting that.

I also think its pretty funny that I have been refering to the cop that works with blue as blue's subordinate.

I've actually thought about this as well. I think you touch on a few key points here. We know the killer likes to taunt the families of his victims, so why not taunt the police as well? What if the person(s) responsible called in either an anonymous tip or used one of his throw away phones to tell the police where they could find the remains of some of his victims? I suppose anything is possible. Maybe the cops are afraid to come out and say that the person responsible for the GB4 told them where they could find the bodies? If they come out and tell the entire world the killer is providing them with information he may stop doing so in the future. I honestly don't know what to make of SG. It's very odd. It could certainly be coincidence she was discovered where she was, but as stated previously, what are the odds of that happening?