Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call #2

[Keleah]

I think she knew the plan was to eliminate her. She was maybe also on coke or meth and in a state of stress/ trauma and so panicked that she was also frozen because she felt/knew that where ever she went, she was going to the same destination. She also knew some of nypd & so maybe she knew that they were not going to be able to save her either. That’s what that call sounded like to me.

 

[Keleah]

Took a while away from this case but circled back, especially since I live very close to where Shannan was found. I listened to the call 50+ more times and keep coming to the same conclusion.

She wasnt whispering like someone sneaking away to make a 911 call

Compare her call to the one that lead to Sean grate's arrest. Listen to this poor women's tone, volume and real fear.

Nor was she screaming frantically or specifically saying what happened or what she saw. She didnt say for example knife, gun, taser, rope, they choked me . Nothing specific.. After she got put through to state police she said "there's somebody after me" 2x. She's asked "where are you " she repeats "there somebody after me asked again "where are you mam".... after a 5 second pause she says again "there's somebody after me".. that doesn't sound like someone who's fully aware of what's going on or in fight or flight mode.



I think brewer originally called her in as entertainment no sex needed, because that's cheaper. Then after some drugs and alcohol tried to push for sex maybe without wanting to pay more. When shannon wasn't about she started calling pak to end the date and maybe brewer said get the <modsnip - profanity>out or ill kill you and it made something snap in her head. I'm not saying he's a good guy I'm sure he's talked down to his fair share of sex workers. He honestly sounds like the just about every middle aged rich divorced long island dad I ever heard. The get off my lawn types instead "get out if my house" , for him. He sounds like he's trying some reverse psychology saying "we will all go outside together" in hopes that shannon agrees. He seems to try stand her up she resists. He offers to get lost by going upstairs. He figures if he's out of the room, she will be less aggravated and pak can calm her down and get her out. Pak tells her let's go and she kept saying no. Then a few mins later she starts asking him to go. Saying, "please get me out of here, mike". "I'm begging you now.... I just want to go home". Pak says "let's go" "let's go home" but she doesn't get up to go. Yes, she didn't know the address but that's not proof that she never knew it. She also didn't give her age when the dispatchers asked her. She knows her age but maybe forgot that also.

If someone was outside why didn't they catch her when she ran out to colleti's? If someone was after her why didn't she stay at the saftey of the colleti's. Even he says to her "wait a minute ,where are going, what are you doing"? Between him, pak, brewer and the 2 dispatchers that's 5 people that seemed confused by Shannon's behavior that night.

If Pak took her there to be murdered why would he stick around parked outside for 3 hours and risk be seen by witnesses and the secne? If he was part of some murder ring and shannon "got away" he would have went away or lawyered up. Not go back the next day looking for someone who's now a potential witness.

I think Shannas unfortunate death coincidentally lead to the bodies of a real serial killer. Due to our investigative natures (we are on websleuths for a reason after all) many believe she was also a murder victim. Prior to the 911 call being released I would have bet the house on it. After listening to the call probably hundreds of times at this point I cannot come to that conclusion.

As for the missing bone, after 19 months in the elements. Snow, heat, rainstorms, high tides. Hell 3 months before SG body was found we got hit with the remnants of hurricane irene. 400k ppl lost power from wind and rain. The area where SG was found got clobbered during the storm.
Before anyone points to the second autopsy at least quote it correctly.

"Baden said the evidence was consistent with homicidal strangulation, but insufficient to release an official cause of death."

There's no such thing as kinda pregnant.

Sorry about that previous double lol, do not really got this whole thing down yet.
Sean Grate, that case is so different, altho that case has some similarities on the serial end that I don’t even want to get into because its so disturbing but I will say, why did this pump ministries have people living in these houses unsupervised? Just so many questions about that place and him but enough of that. Grate case cannot be compared in my opinion because this was a girl who was naive, who was next to him while he was sleeping, got his phone and believed she might be able to get out. She trusted the PD (altho I can never understand how they went to the wrong house and took so long and she basically had to wave them down. If she would not have gotten out of that room, I wonder if she would have made it out alive.

 

[Keleah]

I think she knew the plan was to eliminate her. She was maybe also on coke or meth and in a state of stress/ trauma and so panicked that she was also frozen because she felt/knew that where ever she went, she was going to the same destination. She alsi knew some of nypd & so maybe she knew that they were not going to be able to save her either. That’s what that call sounded like to me.

Let me correct this, I mean, in her mind, she believed they planned to eliminate her, in her mind she believed all those things but none of us will probably ever know if she was right or if she was in a state of psychosis and that was her cause of death. Its sad that after her previous bad experiences she didn’t just go home and start working doing anything but that. She was about to testify in some case as I recall so I mean, I just think it would have been good for the girl to stay home. Its a really sad case along with all those Long Island murders. Just terrible

 

[Ruminations]

Let me correct this, I mean, in her mind, she believed they planned to eliminate her, in her mind she believed all those things but none of us will probably ever know if she was right or if she was in a state of psychosis and that was her cause of death. It's sad that after her previous bad experiences she didn’t just go home and start working doing anything but that. She was about to testify in some case as I recall so I mean, I just think it would have been good for the girl to stay home. It's a really sad case along with all those Long Island murders. Just terrible

It's nice to see attention to this case.

I feel like I have to say, for the record, Shannan did not sound irrational. If drugs and/or psychiatric conditions were a factor, they did not make Shannan irrational. She was oriented X3. She was not psychotic.

MOO

 

[White_Rabbit]

I’m aware the wrongful-death suit filed against Dr. Peter Hackett was dismissed on statute of limitations grounds.

In my opinion, it’s possible that Peter Hackett’s professional status, long career in emergency medical services, and community standing may have put him in a position where people, including those in local government and law enforcement, were more inclined to believe his account and support him, consciously or unconsciously, during the investigation.

This post isn’t arguing guilt. It simply lays out what I believe could have happened, what was said, what records show, and where statements contradict, with sources.

I’ve been reading many posts theorizing that Shannan was being set up as part of an orchestrated attempt to murder her by a larger criminal enterprise. I don’t find that scenario the most likely. A plausible alternative, in my opinion, is that she fled Joseph Brewer’s house in a state of extreme anxiety and panic, ran through the Oak Beach community looking for someone to help her, and at some point may have encountered Peter Hackett. In this scenario, and in an attempt to calm her down, Hackett could have administered some type of depressant (without definitive knowledge of her medical history or toxicology, and without malicious intent) and then released her to Michael Pak, who may have eventually caught up to her. She could have become unresponsive in Pak’s car on the way home (possibly due to an adverse drug interaction). To avoid any legal or criminal consequences that might have arisen from taking her to the nearest hospital, which was about 10 minutes away, Pak might then have left her in the marsh off the parkway and discarded her belongings (minus the cash that normally would be paid upfront to the escort) into the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house.

Shannan’s Movements (May 1, 2010)

~2:00 am: Shannan arrives at Joseph Brewer’s home in Oak Beach with driver Michael Pak waiting outside.

4:51 am: Shannan dials 911 from inside Brewer’s house, the call runs about 23 minutes. Two male voices, Pak and Brewer, can be heard trying to get her to leave.

~5:00 am: Still on the call, Shannan bolts from Brewer’s and pounds on Gus Coletti’s door, repeatedly pleading for help. Coletti sees a black SUV stopping and starting outside.

5:21 am: Coletti places his 911 call as Shannan runs off again.

5:24 am: Shannan knocks at Barbara Brennan’s door (a short walk from Peter Hackett’s house), Brennan calls 911. (Compiled timeline sources peg this minute; media confirms Brennan’s 911 without the exact timestamp.)

5:40 am: Police arrive in Oak Beach, Shannan is no longer visible. Responding officers, who did not yet know about Shannan’s own 911 call due to a transfer to NY State Police, assume she left with her driver.

Later litigation filings (plaintiffs’ claim) say Shannan’s belongings were found approximately 30 yards behind Dr. Hackett’s house, in the marsh between Oak Beach and Ocean Parkway. Her remains were found approximately 1/2 mile from there in Dec 2011. (This distance/placement is the plaintiffs’ allegation in court papers, not an LE conclusion.)

May 3 Phone Call to Mari Gilbert (He-Said/She-Said)

Mari’s account:

He ran a “home/halfway house for wayward girls.”

Shannan had been at his house, he had “taken care of her,” and “she left with her driver.”

Phone records confirm calls from Hackett to Mari on May 3 (wife’s cell) and May 6 (home line), also a May 6 call to Shannan’s sister, Sherre. (Records confirm that calls occurred, not their content.)

Hackett’s Denials, Admissions, and Contradictions

Initial denials (to family / on camera):

“I never saw her; I never met her… She was never in my home. I don’t have a rehab.”

(Cell-phone video confrontation; Hackett denies even making the earlier call.)

Later written statement to 48 Hours (partial admission):

He did call Mari “later in the week” to be supportive, but at no time suggested he had met or treated Shannan.

On-camera exchange (acknowledging the call, then clamming up):

Erin Moriarty: “You called Mari on your wife’s cell phone on the third… when Mari said you called.”

Hackett: “Yeah, I’m sure I did. When you give … look let me not get into it.”

(Quote appears in multiple recaps, included here as reported in community transcripts.)

Neighbor statements/allegations (from litigation filings):

Affidavits referenced by plaintiffs claim Hackett said he’d medicated Shannan and later expressed he’d “put the family in a situation,” assertions he denies. The court described these as plaintiffs’ claims, not proven facts.

If Mari’s account is accurate (that Shannan was at his house and left with her driver), it places Shannan in the immediate area of Hackett’s home during the critical window.

Phone records corroborate contact between Hackett and the Gilberts days later, bolstering that Mari’s story about a call is true, though content remains disputed.

 

[Betty P]

I’m aware the wrongful-death suit filed against Dr. Peter Hackett was dismissed on statute of limitations grounds.

In my opinion, it’s possible that Peter Hackett’s professional status, long career in emergency medical services, and community standing may have put him in a position where people, including those in local government and law enforcement, were more inclined to believe his account and support him, consciously or unconsciously, during the investigation.

This post isn’t arguing guilt. It simply lays out what I believe could have happened, what was said, what records show, and where statements contradict, with sources.

I’ve been reading many posts theorizing that Shannan was being set up as part of an orchestrated attempt to murder her by a larger criminal enterprise. I don’t find that scenario the most likely. A plausible alternative, in my opinion, is that she fled Joseph Brewer’s house in a state of extreme anxiety and panic, ran through the Oak Beach community looking for someone to help her, and at some point may have encountered Peter Hackett. In this scenario, and in an attempt to calm her down, Hackett could have administered some type of depressant (without definitive knowledge of her medical history or toxicology, and without malicious intent) and then released her to Michael Pak, who may have eventually caught up to her. She could have become unresponsive in Pak’s car on the way home (possibly due to an adverse drug interaction). To avoid any legal or criminal consequences that might have arisen from taking her to the nearest hospital, which was about 10 minutes away, Pak might then have left her in the marsh off the parkway and discarded her belongings (minus the cash that normally would be paid upfront to the escort) into the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house.

Shannan’s Movements (May 1, 2010)

~2:00 am: Shannan arrives at Joseph Brewer’s home in Oak Beach with driver Michael Pak waiting outside.

4:51 am: Shannan dials 911 from inside Brewer’s house, the call runs about 23 minutes. Two male voices, Pak and Brewer, can be heard trying to get her to leave.

~5:00 am: Still on the call, Shannan bolts from Brewer’s and pounds on Gus Coletti’s door, repeatedly pleading for help. Coletti sees a black SUV stopping and starting outside.

5:21 am: Coletti places his 911 call as Shannan runs off again.

5:24 am: Shannan knocks at Barbara Brennan’s door (a short walk from Peter Hackett’s house), Brennan calls 911. (Compiled timeline sources peg this minute; media confirms Brennan’s 911 without the exact timestamp.)

5:40 am: Police arrive in Oak Beach, Shannan is no longer visible. Responding officers, who did not yet know about Shannan’s own 911 call due to a transfer to NY State Police, assume she left with her driver.

Later litigation filings (plaintiffs’ claim) say Shannan’s belongings were found approximately 30 yards behind Dr. Hackett’s house, in the marsh between Oak Beach and Ocean Parkway. Her remains were found approximately 1/2 mile from there in Dec 2011. (This distance/placement is the plaintiffs’ allegation in court papers, not an LE conclusion.)

May 3 Phone Call to Mari Gilbert (He-Said/She-Said)

Mari’s account:

He ran a “home/halfway house for wayward girls.”

Shannan had been at his house, he had “taken care of her,” and “she left with her driver.”

Phone records confirm calls from Hackett to Mari on May 3 (wife’s cell) and May 6 (home line), also a May 6 call to Shannan’s sister, Sherre. (Records confirm that calls occurred, not their content.)

Hackett’s Denials, Admissions, and Contradictions

Initial denials (to family / on camera):

“I never saw her; I never met her… She was never in my home. I don’t have a rehab.”

(Cell-phone video confrontation; Hackett denies even making the earlier call.)

Later written statement to 48 Hours (partial admission):

He did call Mari “later in the week” to be supportive, but at no time suggested he had met or treated Shannan.

On-camera exchange (acknowledging the call, then clamming up):

Erin Moriarty: “You called Mari on your wife’s cell phone on the third… when Mari said you called.”

Hackett: “Yeah, I’m sure I did. When you give … look let me not get into it.”

(Quote appears in multiple recaps, included here as reported in community transcripts.)

Neighbor statements/allegations (from litigation filings):

Affidavits referenced by plaintiffs claim Hackett said he’d medicated Shannan and later expressed he’d “put the family in a situation,” assertions he denies. The court described these as plaintiffs’ claims, not proven facts.

If Mari’s account is accurate (that Shannan was at his house and left with her driver), it places Shannan in the immediate area of Hackett’s home during the critical window.

Phone records corroborate contact between Hackett and the Gilberts days later, bolstering that Mari’s story about a call is true, though content remains disputed.

Still so many unanswered questions about this.

If Hackett administered drugs that mistakenly caused her death, then Pak left with her, who undressed her and why? The clothing was found quite a distance from her body. Did Pak take her body away to dispose of it, leaving her clothing behind for Hackett to toss into the bog behind his house? It still doesn’t quite add up, JMO.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Still so many unanswered questions about this.

If Hackett administered drugs that mistakenly caused her death, then Pak left with her, who undressed her and why? The clothing was found quite a distance from her body. Did Pak take her body away to dispose of it, leaving her clothing behind for Hackett to toss into the bog behind his house? It still doesn’t quite add up, JMO.

I’m speculating, but according to publicly reported information, Shannan’s remains were ultimately found about 150 feet into the marsh on the south shoulder of Ocean Parkway. Based on the layout of the road, it appears that Pak would have needed to head east on Ocean Parkway to find a turnaround, most likely at the Robert Moses exit, before heading west toward NYC.

In my opinion, this route makes it plausible that he could have pulled over on the south shoulder, slightly east of Oak Beach, and carried her into the marsh. I think it’s possible he removed her jeans and shoes at that point (reports indicate she was not found fully undressed).

From there, I believe it’s possible that her jeans, shoes, purse, and cell phone were later placed in the marsh area behind Hackett’s house. If that happened, I think one potential explanation could be that this placement might direct suspicion toward Hackett if the items were discovered, possibly serving to shift attention away from himself.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Still so many unanswered questions about this.

If Hackett administered drugs that mistakenly caused her death, then Pak left with her, who undressed her and why? The clothing was found quite a distance from her body. Did Pak take her body away to dispose of it, leaving her clothing behind for Hackett to toss into the bog behind his house? It still doesn’t quite add up, JMO.

Also, In the scenario I described earlier (and this is only speculation on my part), Hackett would not be aware that Shannan may have become unresponsive and placed in the marsh. As far as he might be aware, she was tired, calmer, and on her way home with Pak.

 

[WINDSOR]

I’m aware the wrongful-death suit filed against Dr. Peter Hackett was dismissed on statute of limitations grounds.

In my opinion, it’s possible that Peter Hackett’s professional status, long career in emergency medical services, and community standing may have put him in a position where people, including those in local government and law enforcement, were more inclined to believe his account and support him, consciously or unconsciously, during the investigation.

This post isn’t arguing guilt. It simply lays out what I believe could have happened, what was said, what records show, and where statements contradict, with sources.

I’ve been reading many posts theorizing that Shannan was being set up as part of an orchestrated attempt to murder her by a larger criminal enterprise. I don’t find that scenario the most likely. A plausible alternative, in my opinion, is that she fled Joseph Brewer’s house in a state of extreme anxiety and panic, ran through the Oak Beach community looking for someone to help her, and at some point may have encountered Peter Hackett. In this scenario, and in an attempt to calm her down, Hackett could have administered some type of depressant (without definitive knowledge of her medical history or toxicology, and without malicious intent) and then released her to Michael Pak, who may have eventually caught up to her. She could have become unresponsive in Pak’s car on the way home (possibly due to an adverse drug interaction). To avoid any legal or criminal consequences that might have arisen from taking her to the nearest hospital, which was about 10 minutes away, Pak might then have left her in the marsh off the parkway and discarded her belongings (minus the cash that normally would be paid upfront to the escort) into the marsh behind Peter Hackett’s house.

Shannan’s Movements (May 1, 2010)

~2:00 am: Shannan arrives at Joseph Brewer’s home in Oak Beach with driver Michael Pak waiting outside.

4:51 am: Shannan dials 911 from inside Brewer’s house, the call runs about 23 minutes. Two male voices, Pak and Brewer, can be heard trying to get her to leave.

~5:00 am: Still on the call, Shannan bolts from Brewer’s and pounds on Gus Coletti’s door, repeatedly pleading for help. Coletti sees a black SUV stopping and starting outside.

5:21 am: Coletti places his 911 call as Shannan runs off again.

5:24 am: Shannan knocks at Barbara Brennan’s door (a short walk from Peter Hackett’s house), Brennan calls 911. (Compiled timeline sources peg this minute; media confirms Brennan’s 911 without the exact timestamp.)

5:40 am: Police arrive in Oak Beach, Shannan is no longer visible. Responding officers, who did not yet know about Shannan’s own 911 call due to a transfer to NY State Police, assume she left with her driver.

Later litigation filings (plaintiffs’ claim) say Shannan’s belongings were found approximately 30 yards behind Dr. Hackett’s house, in the marsh between Oak Beach and Ocean Parkway. Her remains were found approximately 1/2 mile from there in Dec 2011. (This distance/placement is the plaintiffs’ allegation in court papers, not an LE conclusion.)

May 3 Phone Call to Mari Gilbert (He-Said/She-Said)

Mari’s account:

He ran a “home/halfway house for wayward girls.”

Shannan had been at his house, he had “taken care of her,” and “she left with her driver.”

Phone records confirm calls from Hackett to Mari on May 3 (wife’s cell) and May 6 (home line), also a May 6 call to Shannan’s sister, Sherre. (Records confirm that calls occurred, not their content.)

Hackett’s Denials, Admissions, and Contradictions

Initial denials (to family / on camera):

“I never saw her; I never met her… She was never in my home. I don’t have a rehab.”

(Cell-phone video confrontation; Hackett denies even making the earlier call.)

Later written statement to 48 Hours (partial admission):

He did call Mari “later in the week” to be supportive, but at no time suggested he had met or treated Shannan.

On-camera exchange (acknowledging the call, then clamming up):

Erin Moriarty: “You called Mari on your wife’s cell phone on the third… when Mari said you called.”

Hackett: “Yeah, I’m sure I did. When you give … look let me not get into it.”

(Quote appears in multiple recaps, included here as reported in community transcripts.)

Neighbor statements/allegations (from litigation filings):

Affidavits referenced by plaintiffs claim Hackett said he’d medicated Shannan and later expressed he’d “put the family in a situation,” assertions he denies. The court described these as plaintiffs’ claims, not proven facts.

If Mari’s account is accurate (that Shannan was at his house and left with her driver), it places Shannan in the immediate area of Hackett’s home during the critical window.

Phone records corroborate contact between Hackett and the Gilberts days later, bolstering that Mari’s story about a call is true, though content remains disputed.

Excellent analysis, White, I posted my similar opinion on the other thread. Two very viable alternatives, MP left with a unconscious Shannan, or he left Shannan with Hackett. Both alternatives are reasonable.

 

[NicMed329]

Gilgo Case - Shannan Gilbert

A timeline of the night Shannan Gilbert disappeared - 5/1/2010

www.gilgocase.com

So, at 5:24 Shannan is at Barbara Brennens house. Twilight had already begun. And this is very low ground, no large trees, no tall building terrain with the Atlantic Ocean and a rather clear sky giving the sun every advantage to illuminate the area. At that hour, its dark enough indoors to need lights, but it is not dark outside.

If the police were there at 5:45, that gives Shannan 21 minutes to separate from her pants, interact in some way with Hackett, and disappear.

MOO

It has been a while since I caught up and apologies if someone already addressed this. If we are going along with the sedation, perhaps her pants were removed to give her an IM injection in the glutes? This can be done in the arm also but I am just trying to figure out how her pants were removed. IMO

 

[NicMed329]

It's nice to see attention to this case.

I feel like I have to say, for the record, Shannan did not sound irrational. If drugs and/or psychiatric conditions were a factor, they did not make Shannan irrational. She was oriented X3. She was not psychotic.

MOO

Could not agree more. The 911 call does not sounds to me like someone having a psychotic or manic episode imo. I work in inpatient psych and work with psychosis every day. This did not sound like psychosis to me at all imo.