Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt1

[analytical]

These phantom pressers are gonna make me go back to smoking lol.

per your post immediately before this one, you are "back to smoking" :woohoo:

 

[mikeysmommom]

From stltoday comments...

Channel 2 says there was no press conference today. In fact no info to the media all, they say.

The reporter said an investigator rushed past him and would only say "We are working on something".

Hhhmmm... what could that be? Didn't watch Fox, so didn't see that. Medusa?

Hopefully rushing to arrest the perp.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Hopefully rushing to arrest the perp.

Here's hoping.

Hey, Chestergal - anything new happening there. Last I heard, from the Stltoday board, there were lots of State Police in Chester as well as unmarked near the Coleman home.

 

[analytical]

I agree with you, Wrinkles, I know the local security people personally and because my last business did a big deal with them. But you woudl figure that someone within the same business would be able to get instant help. The issue is, that many of us was wondering about is actually two things: 1, wouldn't you want to get an alarm system as soon as this happened? 2, if any of you had threats against you, or family, placed into yoru mailbox, wouldn't you, say, move to a new house or at least go away and let the cops investigate the threats? My wife told me that if we were getting threats, she would leave and find another place to live for bit. The fact that they didn't get a system or didn't move away, makes it more seem that CC did it. (Or someone in the family)

Hey Artie,

Is there still a camera on the roof aimed at the mailbox? It's been reported Coleman placed a camera on the roof aimed at the mailbox ..... guess he did this after the vandalism you described you actually saw .. not the occurrence but the damage to the box you described earlier this afternoon.

Can you recall when the box was damaged .. and thus how long the camera may have been on the roof trained on the mailbox?

Thanks in advance...

 

[Stella5]

"growing" division .. ok, call me a Chris supporter!

I find it hard to see these harsh judgments!

This is nothing new .. the Order, supporting Affidavit .. all documents were signed on May 8 .. last week .... they were FAXED today ... these are NOT new court filings.

Have you talked with any of Sherri's family to CONFIRM that there is "tension" ... or is this mere speculation?

... it seems to be the latter until proof is offered ..... if you wish, you can find the "backstory" on how some attorneys came together with the "cooperation" of a judge to make this happen

Analytical... "Growing Division" is how the news has it reported and if you'd like to read the actual affidavit it is linked on ksdk. The wording in the affadavit does in fact show a "growing division" from Sheri's families point of view. They were promised something that was reneged on, so they had to take legal steps to protect their right and want to have a memorial for their daughter & grandsons. This is not something anyone here on WS has speculated, this is something that is facts that happened between the family.

If you wish to speculate further on the growing division, i'd say it's a given due to the fact that CC is not mentioned as husband or father in the obit her family did in Chicago. That's very telling, IMO, and purely speculation by me.

 

[analytical]

All I know is that Sheri went and took her name off of the deed of the house.

Artie,

Around November of last year, the Colemans hosted a financial planning course at their home ... Dave Ramsey.

What interests me and has me scratching my head is why this is seen as a sinister move.

There are many plausible explanations.... I don't have time to review Ramsey's advice, but it could be a move that grew out of the Coleman's time in the course.

The group viewed the financial advice of Dave Ramsey
http://www.daveramsey.com/

 

[artie gumshoe]

I don't really know. When I drive by tonight I will take a look. But they didn't do cameras to watch the house, they did it to watch the lake and the mailbox. I don't know the timeframe of when they did this but I know this is how it was. I was told that the box was damaged on the tuesday in question.

The thing is, that as far as any of us in the area know, there was never anyone caught on film putting anything in the mailbox, which clues into CC either writing the letters himself and sticking them in or just placing them in himself.

But back to the vandalism, its not a quiet area as they say, this town is full of nosy people. People recognize me as working for a business that is a private business and I don't talk to customers face to face, so rumors get around. So, if there was vandalism of the mailbox one day, during the week, there would be people standing around it or cops or something like that and I would have seen it as I was driving by.

 

[mikeysmommom]

http://www.fox2now.com/news/

only thing I found under friend of Chris Coleman

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

http://www.fox2now.com/news/

only thing I found under friend of Chris Coleman

I just listened/watched that. He didn't say much, he has known CC and family for years, knew SC, thinks its awful people are pointing fingers at CC with no proof, called it a witchhunt, reminds people he is innocent until proven guilty.
But, left off innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. Didn't seem like much to me.

 

[artie gumshoe]

I don't know baout the financial planning, having knowledge of financial systems, taking someone's name off of a deed is only good, if one person has worse credit than the other and you were looking to improve credit scores or refinance the house. I know that in the case of my house, even though my wife makes more than me, we had it moved to my name because my credit score was better than hers.

I would guess that if one of the rumors of the subdivision was true, that Sheri was a big spender, then perhaps they wanted to remove her off of the deed so they could deal with her credit. I wonder if they paid off any debt she had.

 

[analytical]

I don't know baout the financial planning, having knowledge of financial systems, taking someone's name off of a deed is only good, if one person has worse credit than the other and you were looking to improve credit scores or refinance the house. I know that in the case of my house, even though my wife makes more than me, we had it moved to my name because my credit score was better than hers.

I would guess that if one of the rumors of the subdivision was true, that Sheri was a big spender, then perhaps they wanted to remove her off of the deed so they could deal with her credit. I wonder if they paid off any debt she had.

See, you detailed a valid reason that I was also aware of that has no sinister motive

Perhaps Chris and Sheri made the decision to remove her name for the same reasons you did.

Appreciate the input!

 

[PrayersForMaura]

It sounds to me like the couple had some debt --- and from the neighbor supposedly hearing arguing coming from their house at 1 or 2am the day the morning that Sheri and the kids were murdered, there must've been a marital problem.

Which could lead to why Sheri and the kids were ruthlessly murdered.

 

[analytical]

Analytical... "Growing Division" is how the news has it reported and if you'd like to read the actual affidavit it is linked on ksdk. The wording in the affadavit does in fact show a "growing division" from Sheri's families point of view. They were promised something that was reneged on, so they had to take legal steps to protect their right and want to have a memorial for their daughter & grandsons. This is not something anyone here on WS has speculated, this is something that is facts that happened between the family.

If you wish to speculate further on the growing division, i'd say it's a given due to the fact that CC is not mentioned as husband or father in the obit her family did in Chicago. That's very telling, IMO, and purely speculation by me.

You know, it could have just been a case of miscommunication. Remember Chris had to inform the brother that her sister had been murdered. I don't know if I'd been thinking on all faculties at the time.

So it seems the brother proceeded to make phone calls on the assumption that a service would be held in Chicago.

Miscommunication can and does occur .. at the best of times and worst of times.

It's possible that everyone was "geared up" to attend a service.. Chris was concerned about the cost ... it would seem as the next of kin he had final decision-making power ... it was reported they decided they "wanted to only; have the service there and the family was 'welcome' to attend"

It is only an affidavit reporting the transpiration of events ..... yet I don't read it as a "growing division" ... maybe a misunderstanding, a conflict of wishes and desires and how convenient for Sheri's family to have an attorney as a cousin, IIRC.

That family member (the attorney) know how to "get the ball rolling...."

So both parties got what they wanted .... there was a disagreement ... the disagreement does not impugn guilt upon Coleman nor is illustrative of any type of rift.

Just IMHO.

But perhaps the family has been quick to blame Chris as well ... ah .. to be a mind reader rather than a speculator would provide more insight

 

[Stella5]

If they had refinanced when her name was removed, that would make sense if in fact Sheri had a low credit score and they wanted to qualify for a lower rate mortgage by using CC's credit only.

If they didn't refinance when she actually went and had her name removed from the deed (from an earlier post), then it wouldn't make any sense at all. One of the best things you can do for your credit rating is to have a mortgage that you pay on time and keep in good standing.

If her name was removed with no refinancing, that is highly questionable given the current events.

 

[kittenish]

I knoew, I grew up in STL and it never was a danger to me or anyone I knew, I only threw that in there for satire or the act of being saracastic. There is only about 1/10th of the city that is dangerous if you look a certain way or do something a certain way, but everything else is really safe. I am white and have been in the blackest of black areas and have been safe enough asking for directions so its just the bad people that make areas bad.

right... because only black people commit crimes... :waitasec:

 

[analytical]

It sounds to me like the couple had some debt --- and from the neighbor supposedly hearing arguing coming from their house at 1 or 2am the day the morning that Sheri and the kids were murdered, there must've been a marital problem.

Which could lead to why Sheri and the kids were ruthlessly murdered.

At the moment, there is no confirmation but merely rumor that a neighbor heard "screaming" .. I never saw any report of "arguing" ... and the source of that claim has not been established and from what I've read the neighbor thought it came from the Coleman house.

A possible scream translates into a "brutal murder" ???

My "jury" is out until I learn more about that threats which I believe are valid and real and not crafted by Coleman in some bizarre scheme to murder his wife and children.

A "source close to the investigation" did state that "I told you this would happen" was spray-painted on the wall.

 

[analytical]

Stellla ... you said:

"If her name was removed with no refinancing, that is highly questionable given the current events."

I don't find it questionable ... there's still the possibility that the ministry owns the home and Coleman lives there rent-free, as has been reported.

But that has yet to be reported ... or confirmed and a transaction of Nov. 1, 2008 is reported on the assessor's website but it is recorded as a "sale" with a document reference number but those documents are unavailable for online view so without benefit of knowing exactly what the document details it is not known what the Nov. 1, 2008 "transaction" was unless it was the actual recording of the name removal with a "quirky", if you will, way of reporting the matter.

 

[chicoliving]

Sheri Coleman's family had taken him to court last week, claiming he tried to renege on an agreement to hold two services. He eventually agreed to a court order to move the bodies. His in-laws said in a court filing that he did not call Sheri Coleman's family about the deaths for two days.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...721F7AC65B144CD7862575B400082AB8?OpenDocument

Sounds like there was tension.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

With that being said, let me point out that Sheri's MySpace .. unless it has changed since yesterday, has not been logged into since May 4 and her mood was "productive"

It follows logic that a person who is deceased won't be logging into their MySpace account and it doesn't look as if anyone else has.

Tara's account was last logged into on May 9 and May 12. I would assume she is accessing her own account.

Otherwise, if someone were investigating Sheri's MySpace, it would show log-in's past her date of death.

When LE accesses social network sites such as myspace with a search warrant, they enter the same way as the owner of the site so there would not be a change to the log in dates or time.

I believe by now LE has gotten the information from her myspace and other sites she had on her computer. Their forensic computer people would have been working overtime to access these sites for any lead or information.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

He Twittered about this thread here...

http://twitter.com/PERTZFOX

WEBSLEUTHS taling about Coleman Murders crimes http://bit.ly/V6DAE
2 minutes ago from web

I can't open the second website in that post. What is this twitter? How do we know that this guy is for real, its not like we can ask to see his badge.

Regardless if it true or not, I so have to catch up with the thread.

(I'd like to know what the MCS think about Vincent D'onfio's character on Law and Order: CI.)