Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

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Hi,

I don't want to get off topic, but the wife of Richard Ricci, who was wrongly suspected in the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart and died while being held in prison, settled her wrongful death lawsuit against the Utah Department of Corrections for $150,000.

That tells me LE did something wrong, and the parole violation had little to do with it.

He was brought in on a parole violation -- but he was the the top suspect in the Smart kidnapping long after his death in August 2002.

Me - I look at the money trail. And again, if LE did no wrong, why pay the widow $150K?

I don't want to get busted, so I'll apologize for bringing it up and will get back on topic.

Thanks!

Mel

It's cool Mel. I just want people to know all sides of that story. Ricci wasn't exactly a saint or wronged as was portrayed in the media. The tragedy was LE quit looking for someone else. But at the same time Ricci was a viable and real suspect and not a phantom Ninja person. And any business owner will tell you that sometimes you just settle.
 
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Hi,

I don't want to get off topic, but the wife of Richard Ricci, who was wrongly suspected in the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart and died while being held in prison, settled her wrongful death lawsuit against the Utah Department of Corrections for $150,000.

That tells me LE did something wrong, and the parole violation had little to do with it.

He was brought in on a parole violation -- but he was the the top suspect in the Smart kidnapping long after his death in August 2002.

Me - I look at the money trail. And again, if LE did no wrong, why pay the widow $150K?

I don't want to get busted, so I'll apologize for bringing it up and will get back on topic.

Thanks!

Mel

Well, I for one appreciate you keeping an open mind! Trust me, I'm 80% convinced it was CC who committed this crime. But I like to hear multiple viewpoints, especially things that make me think and challenge what I'm currently thinking.

As for the Ricci guy, I didn't know anything about it. I've read a little on the Smart case, but it has been awhile. I will say, that there are people who do get wrongfully convicted. Whether or not he was, I dunno?!?
 
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milopedes, FWIW, I read @ another site that CC's call to "police" was a policeman neighbor...now if this is true, this would prevent a taping of a 911 call...hmmmm, right?

Too bad we have so little facts at this time...however, I guess the rumors do help with speculation & working out some of the "why's" & "when's" (?).

I think I have been at that same site ............In the comment section someone wrote the wife was killed with a hanger.Just such a horrible thing to even imagine.
 
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milopedes, FWIW, I read @ another site that CC's call to "police" was a policeman neighbor...now if this is true, this would prevent a taping of a 911 call...hmmmm, right?

Too bad we have so little facts at this time...however, I guess the rumors do help with speculation & working out some of the "why's" & "when's" (?).

WOW! That would be an interesting twist in all of this. :waitasec:
 
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I am VERY familiar with th layout of their house, because I grew up in one just like it. By age 9 or 10, I was able to jump down the last few steps on the staircase, if I was in a rush. I don't know any child who can't run down a flight of steps quickly. So, I think SuziQ could be right that if a ninja, dwarf ninja or alien, was to get into the house and they didn't know that the family was up or some of them was up, then how would he have did the rest of his plan? I'm thinking of super ninjas, form the movies, but three people, getting ready to leave the house, someone would have noticed a ninja coming for them and screamed. That scream would have alerted the house. If Sheri knew that there were threats against her, she would have called the LE, maybe she had a direct line, since they already had contact with the LE. Unless the ninja came prepared, the older child was on the football team and the baseball team. He may have had some skill in flailing his arms wildly and kicking like mad, which may have injured the ninja in some way. even ninjas can be kicked in the groin. I know that if the older boy or the younger could not have done anything, they may have tried to run for it. If a child came out of that house, screaming, the neighbors would have been on that house in a minute or less. Whcih means cops would have been there in under a minute. In Columbia, the cops dispatch the closest one, even if he is off, so that would have been the detective. The detective would have had to wake up, get some coffee and a gun and run over there or just run over there, as he may have herad the screaming.

My Point: if the family was awake, then there would have been commotion that would have surprised any would-be killer. Whcih woudl have caused chaos.

But Artie, you can't kill 3 people at the same time. There HAD to be commotion somewhere. If mom was strangled first, she may have had a chance to scream - waking the boys. If vice-vera, mom would have heard some commotion in the boys room. This is what I don't get.

I can see if the boys saw their dad, they may have been so deadly frightened of what to do (ie, don't disobey your dad) vs. stranger danger where we all teach our children to run and scream.

If CC did it (and you know my thoughts on that) the family must have been in utter shock not to make a sound loud enough for the neighbours to hear.

How did he do it is what I want to know -- and how horrific his concience must be right now.

MOO

Mel
 
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Um, I'm not so sure I agree with what you wrote here. He did what he should have done; namely, report it to the police and put up surveillance equipment. Given his background in security, and the fact he was a former Marine, I would think to some degree he would have been a little dismissive (i.e., "I can handle this" or "No one will tell me what to do!").

You cannot run and hide from everything. His job was the support for him and his family. Whose to say that once he quit, the threats would actually cease, and all would be well? And what would he do then? Especially, if his family did have some financial issues?

As for attempts on JM's life, I'm not sure we would be privy to that information. Public attempts? Sure. But, would we really know all the crazy letters she receives on a routine basis? Doubtful. I'm sure the President of the United States gets threatening and crazy letters all the time too, but we do not know about it.


But where is the alarm? And cameras in the plural. If he is in the security business and getting threats, it just seems he would do all he could, not a token effort.

Even without the threats, I can't get beyond someone in the field not having an alarm in their home. If, as has been reported, he had a side business selling alarms/security, it seems even more strange he didn't have an alarm in his own home.
 
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I know that people are saying that it woudl be at least 4 minutes, I think to strangle someone to death. But if all three of them were not sleeping or drugged, how would the killer ensure that no one would wake up and move around or scream? This isn't an assembly line. The killer had to move up a flight of stairs, silently, and then walk into a room, strangle, kill, 4 minutes past, then to the other one, repeat twice. The killer would have had to know exactly, where the people would have been at that time in order to get in and out asap. Also, do it quietly. That is thing. The nighborhood really is so quiet that you can hear a pin drop in the street, if you have your window open. I am not joking, it really is that quiet. Planes don't fly overhead and it is far enough from the highway and the other streets that it is very VERY quiet. If someone was walking by and heard blood curdling screams, then they may have notified someone. Whoever did this, was either super secretive and knew exactly the order and routine of the family, drugged them, or was a family member or relative so the family wouldn't have an issue with them in the house.
 
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I know that people are saying that it woudl be at least 4 minutes, I think to strangle someone to death. But if all three of them were not sleeping or drugged, how would the killer ensure that no one would wake up and move around or scream? This isn't an assembly line. The killer had to move up a flight of stairs, silently, and then walk into a room, strangle, kill, 4 minutes past, then to the other one, repeat twice. The killer would have had to know exactly, where the people would have been at that time in order to get in and out asap. Also, do it quietly. That is thing. The nighborhood really is so quiet that you can hear a pin drop in the street, if you have your window open. I am not joking, it really is that quiet. Planes don't fly overhead and it is far enough from the highway and the other streets that it is very VERY quiet. If someone was walking by and heard blood curdling screams, then they may have notified someone. Whoever did this, was either super secretive and knew exactly the order and routine of the family, drugged them, or was a family member or relative so the family wouldn't have an issue with them in the house.

Like a lot of people here ,I have tried to come up with it being someone else.But sadly that just does not add up.This was to personal of a crime,and time line is just to narrow for it to point away from CC.IMO
 
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I was thinking that the perp, (YES, I do believe it's the husband/father), most likely closed each bedroom door as he was killing each victim. This at least would muffle any commotion.

Just an idea,
fran
 
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But Artie, you can't kill 3 people at the same time. There HAD to be commotion somewhere. If mom was strangled first, she may have had a chance to scream - waking the boys. If vice-vera, mom would have heard some commotion in the boys room. This is what I don't get.

I can see if the boys saw their dad, they may have been so deadly frightened of what to do (ie, don't disobey your dad) vs. stranger danger where we all teach our children to run and scream.

If CC did it (and you know my thoughts on that) the family must have been in utter shock not to make a sound loud enough for the neighbours to hear.

How did he do it is what I want to know -- and how horrific his concience must be right now.

MOO

Mel

I do not think you could really scream (make a little noise yes) when being choked (I could not, I was trying and finally managed to hit him enough to wake him up)the pressure on your throat is just too much.
My boys at that age would have been sound asleep.

I believe I have read it only takes about 4 minutes to strangle some one and I would think most of fighting back would be over within 2 IMO.
I can imagine him doing this without waking anyone up.
 
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I was thinking that the perp, (YES, I do believe it's the husband/father), most likely closed each bedroom door as he was killing each victim. This at least would muffle any commotion.

Just an idea,
fran

Again though, quietly closing and opening ecah door means that the killer took longer than 4 minutes to dispatch each one.
 
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I would expect any Marine would have been taught all the variables of the technique that was used in strangulation - as far as waking anyone. This innocent family didn't know what "hit" them. Its grotesque and this slimeball needs to be put in JAIL. He could kill again or panic. The professor out of Georgia killed himself TG! This sooo reminds me of Mark Hacking!

TGIF guys!
 
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WOW! Could he have been staying in the home in Affton then, which is why the MCS was paying so much attention to it? That is really something.

Bingo! I'd like to explore this angle more. The more we're figuring out, the more it's pointing to a crime of passion where he just snapped. I think the letters were a ruse to scare Sheri into staying in the marriage, i.e. "We can't get a divorce, you and the boys need me to protect you from this maniac", not to set up a premeditated murder of his entire family.
 
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Hello All,

Evidently others looking at this case found this info:
>>He also has another company on record in MO (still active), Qucom LLC, "Sale of Internet Training Tools".<<

If you Google "Qucom LLC" you will find the reference above.

So...sale of internet training tools? What does that mean? Does it mean he knows how to wipe hard drives?

W
 
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Bingo! I'd like to explore this angle more. The more we're figuring out, the more it's pointing to a crime of passion where he just snapped. I think the letters were a ruse to scare Sheri into staying in the marriage, i.e. "We can't get a divorce, you and the boys need me to protect you from this maniac", not to set up a premeditated murder of his entire family.

Well now that actually makes alot more sense to me after reliving what my ex father in law did to my ex mother in law (RIP sweet lady).

The threats only work so long and the marriage is obviously over. I wonder if "motive" was "excited" because Chris told her he was leaving his wife? He comes home, packs up the car (stuff packed into it per pics), fight ensues. Heck maybe Sheri told CC she was going to out CC's afair to JMM?
 
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We do have that unsubstaniated rumor floating around that Sheri was getting a roomate because of the seperation.
 
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I had a thought last night that maybe he was only going to kill her, the neighbors said they heard loud fighting (?)...maybe they fought, he strangles her, or it was totally premeditated and he suffocates/strangles her, but unfortunately one or both of the boys wake up and see him do it or see him spraying the walls. He then has no choice but to kill them too. He may not have initially planned on killing the boys at all....
 
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