Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

[analytical]

yes, a lot of people do not have fences. We have a stupid homeowners association and you have to receive a written approval from the board to build a fence and it must be within certain guidelines. Also, as I stated earlier, a lot of people view those houses as "starter houses" so they don't build fences till all of the work is done outside and around. Since the people with the pool, have a fence around their pool, they likely don't want a fence by the lake. Also, the lake is stocked and in fact is hosting a catfish fishing tournament latter next month. So, since no swimming is allowed, the people who were willing to pay the extra $10,000 for a house on the lake, most likely like to fish or have a boat.

Artie,

In the comment section of one of the newspapers (not the PD), someone claimed the "guts" of the camera were retrieved from the lake.

Can you substantiate this as fact?

 

[nervous_nellie]

CHESTER -- Following a 30 minute conference at his father's home on Wednesday, where police in several vehicles kept up a nearby surveillance, Christopher Coleman resigned his security job with Joyce Meyer Ministries.

"After an internal inquiry, it was discovered that Chris Coleman had failed to follow a ministry policy during his employment. During discussion with Mr. Coleman on Wednesday he submitted his resignation," Joyce Meyer spokesman Roby Walker said.

Walker drove past staked-out cops and into the driveway of the Rev. Ronald Coleman's home in Chester on Wednesday, where he entered through a rear door and stayed about 30 minutes. He would not provide any details on what policy Coleman was alleged to have violated. Neither Coleman nor his father, pastor of Grace Church Ministries in Chester, could be reached for comment.

Police seized "electronic equipment" connected to Christopher Coleman's former security job, Walker said, but would not describe what it was or how it had been used.

"As there is an ongoing investigation, the ministry can't comment on any specifics," he said. "However, we are working with investigators and are thankful that they are doing their very best to solve this crime."

Attorney William Margulies, who works in a St. Louis law firm with his father Art Margulies and represents Christopher Coleman, said he knows only that his client resigned his position.

"I don't know any details other than that," he said.

Margulies said that neither Christopher Coleman nor his parents are making any public comment "at this point."

The Major Case Squad of the Greater St. Louis Area was called in about 7 a.m. May 5 by Columbia police to investigate after police discovered the bodies of Christopher Coleman's wife Sheri, 31, and their two sons, Garett, 11 and Gavin, 9. The three had been strangled in the family's home in a well-kept Columbia subdivision.

Christopher Coleman had called police earlier that morning from a St. Louis gym and asked that they check on the well-being of his family, saying he couldn't reach them by telephone.

The Major Case Squad will continue working today and update the status of the investigation, Connor said.

Has everyone read this? Is this a reliable source? I didn't realize he was no longer employed... sorry if it's just me out of the loop here...

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/769243.html


arrot:

wow - this seems serious to me, if its true.

 

[analytical]

if messages were sent in mail, then they wouldn't need the camera on the mailbox as only the postal workers would deliver them. Also, the coleman's could let the post office know and they could stop the mail. Or perhaps the LE coudl check the letters or even the stamps for prints or DNA. I know I always touch a stamp with some finger and the old stamps still require some licking.

It will be interesting to see, if it is even disclosed, if fingerprints, DNA or any other identifying evidence is found on the letters.

It would seem certain they would be part of the evidence "package"

 

[nervous_nellie]

So I am going to resist my naturally skeptical urges here and just ask, from any who know, what is the ministry policy that CC violated? Or the official party line anyway. Maybe the extramarital one? A little late for counseling... but no really. Im beginning to wonder if this wife may have been one of the millions of women who remain in a marriage at their (and/or their childrens') peril because they are told it's the "right thing" to do...

arrot:

yeah, strippers are prolly frowned upon at jmm :crazy: joking
would they send the coo to do this? i had read somewhere that she didnt allow divorce either - but that would be illegal woudnt it - so he must have signed a specific employment contract with other than the normal agreements??

 

[artie gumshoe]

I honestly cannot comment or have anything to share about the rumor of the 'guts' of the camera being found in that lake.

 

[analytical]

No. No. No. A Ninja dwarf! Get it right...

hehehe

OK .. a hay-eating, heat-seeking Ninja dwarf.

 

[analytical]

I honestly cannot comment or have anything to share about the rumor of the 'guts' of the camera being found in that lake.

thanks.. it was only a poster comment and never substantiated..

 

[mikeysmommom]

talking about it on Nancy

 

[kiki the parrot]

Thanks, KiKi! I read what appeared to be a rumor that CC was "fired" yesterday & I've looked off & on today for more info....Looks like CC doesn't work for JMM any longer since he resigned - so that must've been how the rumor was started.

Reading your article, it appears (to me anyway) he was allowed to resign vs. being fired...hmmm...can hardly wait to find out what policy he failed to adhere to.

Er yea maybe that old 'conduct in keeping with the ministry' thing, sigh... anyway now I'm wondering whether this "electronic equipment" police seized connected to his former security job (they wouldn't describe what it was or how it had been used) may have been the policy which was violated (using company property for personal use?) or the official reason used anyway. And again, does anyone know what the "evidence" was recovered off I-255? I never did hear what that was...

arrot:

 

[artie gumshoe]

I'm getting offended that you are not taking my ninja post seriously. A ninja, could have swam accross the river, snuck in through the chiminy (sp) like Santa, killed everyone and then snuck out the back window. No one would have seen a ninja. Although, I like the dwarf ninja comment, but now we are making fun of short people.

 

[:+:MrTT:+:]

if messages were sent in mail, then they wouldn't need the camera on the mailbox as only the postal workers would deliver them. Also, the coleman's could let the post office know and they could stop the mail. Or perhaps the LE coudl check the letters or even the stamps for prints or DNA. I know I always touch a stamp with some finger and the old stamps still require some licking.

ill take that as meaning, as far as you know, no messages ever mailed......and in that case, then perhaps something may had been caught on camera?, unsure if camera were even working, could have been more for show, then actually being operated, but do not know............i was asking, in case nothing was on camera, then perhaps they were being mailed somehow.​

 

[analytical]

So I am going to resist my naturally skeptical urges here and just ask, from any who know, what is the ministry policy that CC violated? Or the official party line anyway. Maybe the extramarital one? A little late for counseling... but no really. Im beginning to wonder if this wife may have been one of the millions of women who remain in a marriage at their (and/or their childrens') peril because they are told it's the "right thing" to do...

arrot:

The girlfriend is still an "alleged" girlfriend ... the dismissal could be based on that .. and I hate to go into speculation because I don't like to cast asperions ... but if Coleman visited her at the "gentleman's" club I'm pretty certain that would be grounds for dismissal .... any variety of behaviors that are contrary to the guidelines set out for the employees .. short of an employee handbook, it's only speculative based on what little is known

I had suspected the ministry would distance themselves from Coleman and I don't think it was done for damage control but simply for the reason stated.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

I said soemthing earlier trying to make a point about a white guy traveling into the more dangerous parts of stl city, where most of the population is black and there is a lot of crime, and I got complaints about my statement. So, I wanted to make sure I didn't offend any ninjas or anyone who thinks I was making fun of the japanese or chinese or any other culture that has used ninjas.

or turtles.Would hate to offend any turtles. LOL

 

[WestSideGal]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not yet - still have a few more pages of posts to sift through but something else has been puzzling me about the time line. If correct, CC left the home between approx. 5:30-5:45 and bodies were discovered around 6:50 which leaves about an hour to commit the murders and leave the message. If the dvr or camera's recording device is missing (not sure if reported or just rumored) I'd like to know where in the home the surveillance equipment was located. Was it in a home office, the basement, closet, etc? The murderer would also have to find the equipment to discard it correct? How would they know where to look?

 

[artie gumshoe]

thought it would be okay to bring some smiles into this thread. A Murder is not a happy subject, but life goes on and not everyone should be morose about it forever.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I'm getting offended that you are not taking my ninja post seriously. A ninja, could have swam accross the river, snuck in through the chiminy (sp) like Santa, killed everyone and then snuck out the back window. No one would have seen a ninja. Although, I like the dwarf ninja comment, but now we are making fun of short people.

As a 5 foot tall person I am offended at the word dwarf, we prefer little people.LMAO

 

[gitana1]

someone else .. and I don't believe Peterson was represented by counsel, was he?

Thanks for responding. I think for at least one of the times he gave evidence SP was represented. But, I'm not sure. Nevertheless, the fact that a person is represented by counsel would not cause LE to need to dot their I's and cross their T's as you suggest with a court order. It would be more plausible to suggest that LE wants a court order if the person from whom they want evidence is a named suspect. Then they may want to make sure they had a court order in place first. But, you don't think LE is looking at Chris.
Further, an attorney would normally encourage their client to give evidence that would act to isolate the real perpetrator, thereby exonerating their client.
Finally, I have heard Major Connor state on the air minutes ago that LE was surveilling Chris "in case they needed to do more investigation" and now are not because they have concluded their investigation and given it to the prosecutor to get a warrant. I think that says it all as far as who they are looking at.
If that statement is not enough, why on earth would they be following him if not a suspect? They did not say they were following him to protect him and if that was the case, why would they stop now? They have not arrested anyone and if LE had someone else in their sights, surely a small town like Chester would know about it. Again, LE did say they were following Chris due to their investigation and that they stopped because the investigation is concluded and essentially, they are waiting for a warrant.
I certainly understand, given the reported threats, why anyone would at first think someone other than the father did it. But the cumulative effect of Chris and LE's conduct seems clearly to point away from that scenario at this time. When you look at LE's surveillance or following of Chris, his actions in getting an attorney hours after the murders, the necessity for a court order to get fingerprints from a supposedly grieving father who was seen only once at the offices of LE rather than camped in a furious desperation at their offices, the fact that despite supposed threats from a stalker type and that Chris is trained at security for a major organization, his family were murdered in their beds, wow. I really think that does it. Any doubts that could have existed as to the identity of the murderer seem allayed at this time. I mean you may be able to explain away one of these points but I think when it comes time to have to try to explain away all of them, it's pretty obvious, don't you think? Sure, it is possible that someone other than Chris is responsible. I easily admit that. But, IMO? Based on what we have seen, not probable at all.
One more question for you if I may. If LE arrests Chris, will you change your mind about his possible involvement? Thanks!

 

[analytical]

or turtles.Would hate to offend any turtles. LOL

or munchkins or leprechauns

 

[mikeysmommom]

Thanks for responding. I think for at least one of the times he gave evidence SP was represented. But, I'm not sure. Nevertheless, the fact that a person is represented by counsel would not cause LE to need to dot their I's and cross their T's as you suggest with a court order. It would be more plausible to suggest that LE wants a court order if the person from whom they want evidence is a named suspect. Then they may want to make sure they had a court order in place first. But, you don't think LE is looking at Chris.
Further, an attorney would normally encourage their client to give evidence that would act to isolate the real perpetrator, thereby exonerating their client.
Finally, I have heard Major Connor state on the air minutes ago that LE was surveilling Chris "in case they needed to do more investigation" and now are not because they have concluded their investigation and given it to the prosecutor to get a warrant. I think that says it all as far as who they are looking at.
If that statement is not enough, why on earth would they be following him if not a suspect? They did not say they were following him to protect him and if that was the case, why would they stop now? They have not arrested anyone and if LE had someone else in their sights, surely a small town like Chester would know about it. Again, LE did say they were following Chris due to their investigation and that they stopped because the investigation is concluded and essentially, they are waiting for a warrant.
I certainly understand, given the reported threats, why anyone would at first think someone other than the father did it. But the cumulative effect of Chris and LE's conduct seems clearly to point away from that scenario at this time. When you look at LE's surveillance or following of Chris, his actions in getting an attorney hours after the murders, the necessity for a court order to get fingerprints from a supposedly grieving father who was seen only once at the offices of LE rather than camped in a furious desperation at their offices, the fact that despite supposed threats from a stalker type and that Chris is trained at security for a major organization, his family were murdered in their beds, wow. I really think that does it. Any doubts that could have existed as to the identity of the murderer seem allayed at this time. I mean you may be able to explain away one of these points but I think when it comes time to have to try to explain away all of them, it's pretty obvious, don't you think? Sure, it is possible that someone other than Chris is responsible. I easily admit that. But, IMO? Based on what we have seen, not probable at all.
One more question for you if I may. If LE arrests Chris, will you change your mind about his possible involvement? Thanks!

I totally agree with you................but some (just a few)just do not see it and it makes me:crazy:

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

CHESTER -- Following a 30 minute conference at his father's home on Wednesday, where police in several vehicles kept up a nearby surveillance, Christopher Coleman resigned his security job with Joyce Meyer Ministries.

"After an internal inquiry, it was discovered that Chris Coleman had failed to follow a ministry policy during his employment. During discussion with Mr. Coleman on Wednesday he submitted his resignation," Joyce Meyer spokesman Roby Walker said.

Walker drove past staked-out cops and into the driveway of the Rev. Ronald Coleman's home in Chester on Wednesday, where he entered through a rear door and stayed about 30 minutes. He would not provide any details on what policy Coleman was alleged to have violated. Neither Coleman nor his father, pastor of Grace Church Ministries in Chester, could be reached for comment.

Police seized "electronic equipment" connected to Christopher Coleman's former security job, Walker said, but would not describe what it was or how it had been used.

"As there is an ongoing investigation, the ministry can't comment on any specifics," he said. "However, we are working with investigators and are thankful that they are doing their very best to solve this crime."

Attorney William Margulies, who works in a St. Louis law firm with his father Art Margulies and represents Christopher Coleman, said he knows only that his client resigned his position.

"I don't know any details other than that," he said.

Margulies said that neither Christopher Coleman nor his parents are making any public comment "at this point."

The Major Case Squad of the Greater St. Louis Area was called in about 7 a.m. May 5 by Columbia police to investigate after police discovered the bodies of Christopher Coleman's wife Sheri, 31, and their two sons, Garett, 11 and Gavin, 9. The three had been strangled in the family's home in a well-kept Columbia subdivision.

Christopher Coleman had called police earlier that morning from a St. Louis gym and asked that they check on the well-being of his family, saying he couldn't reach them by telephone.

The Major Case Squad will continue working today and update the status of the investigation, Connor said.

Has everyone read this? Is this a reliable source? I didn't realize he was no longer employed... sorry if it's just me out of the loop here...

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/769243.html


arrot:

The Belleville News Democrat is a reliable source; George Pawlaczyk is an award winning reporter and a good man.