Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

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  • #821
I tried this morning to see things from other perspectives...but I am back to only one perp at the end of the day. Chris Coleman, imo, is responsible for the murders of his wife and children.
 
  • #822
Got ya'. It just seems that part of your belief that Chris is innocent is based on the fact that you believe LE is looking at another suspect. Your statement that the arrest of Chris may not change your mind makes me think that you are going to stick to your belief unless there is a CSI type Deus ex machina moment that proves beyond any possible doubt, reasonable or otherwise, that Chris is innocent. (And I know that the defense does not need to prove a defendant's innocence!).
I better understood your feelings at the beginning but now it seems that each new piece of the puzzle we get, which seems to cast heavy suspicion on Chris, you discount, completely disregarding the cumulation of these pieces. IMO, it's not logical due to the fact that you deconstruct each new piece while seemingly ignoring the aggregate.
What you are doing, with respect, seems to me to be a technique that some attorneys use of attacking each piece of evidence and treating those in a vacuum in an attempt to try to hide or distract from the bigger picture that is being painted. For example, you say that you don't think Chris is the focus of LE. That, if factual, would bolster your theory. But then you say, if he is, you still may not change your mind about his innoence. You also seem to discount rumors/reports that Chris had an affair, something that would detract from your theory. But I'm getting the feeling that if that is proven, you will try to discount it as well. I may not be explaining this very well, sorry.
Listen, I seriously respect your opinion. I'm not a group type of person and I think it's great when people think for themsleves. Independent thinking is a valuable thing. But, sometimes it seems that when people feel attacked they defensively and/or stubbornly hold on to a view point regardless of logic. I am trying to understand your logic and just don't yet.
You know, we have the luxury of examining not only evidence that a jury would, but also observations that may not have evidentiary value. What sticks out to me about all of this is Chris' actions in hiring an attorney hours after the murders. You say you may do the same thing. Really? Could you even stand up if your beloved wife and beautiful little boys were just strangled to death? Would your mind even go to that place, thinking about your own legal rights and protections? Or, would you be in that horrific place filled with a dread sense of panic, emergency, despair, rage, frantic need to have the bad guy caught and black feeling of fear that you will never see you babies or your wife again, wondering how the hell you will be able to breath without them? Remember, this was hours, not weeks after the murders. I have experienced death and I have seen many others go through it as well, from all walks of life. Never have I seen anyone who would actually think of their own legal protection in those raw, horror-filled moments after the discovery of the death of a loved one.
Please understand that I absolutely respect what you have to say and am not trying in anyway to be rude or insulting. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from and I hope you'll be patient. Thanks!


This is an excellent and logical post, gitana. Thank you. I certainly respect and defend the opinions of others - particularly on a forum such as this where discussion of the facts is the purpose. I suppose if everyone here was of exactly the same opinion, it would be boring and pointless.

That being said, I am confident that LE's plan here is to make 100% certain that there will be no room for defending CC - by anyone. Otherwise, they could have arrested him yesterday. We are aware of just a fraction of the evidence thus far. They know the TOD, they know about ALL the phone calls, the girlfriend, the camera equipment, etc. IMO, they already have no doubt. I'm thinking that whatever they're waiting for now will prove to be the last nail in his coffin.

And....it's entirely possible the killer will confess. That would also leave no room for doubt.

MOO
 
  • #823
I dont know if this has already been posted. Sorry if it has.

Major Case Squad Using Twitter to Search for Information on Columbia Killings

"Investigators with the Major Case squad have taken to social networking websites online in an effort to share and solicit information on the murders in Columbia, Illinois last week, along with other cases. They say they still want more input even though they believe they know who killed Sheri Coleman and her two sons.

The Major Case Squad has set up a Twitter Page to communicate with people on the web.

Wednesday there were big developments involving the Major Case Squad investigation into the murders. The head of the Major Case Squad, major Jeff Connor, says he believes he knows who killed Sheri Coleman and her two sons Gavin and Garrett."


http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-columbia-051309,0,5639499.story
 
  • #824
I tried this morning to see things from other perspectives...but I am back to only one perp at the end of the day. Chris Coleman, imo, is responsible for the murders of his wife and children.

Me too, SS. I really don't think anyone following this case WANTS to believe he did it. When you really break it down and consider the details, it is truly disturbing on every possible level. It is a betrayal of enormous proportion. IMO
 
  • #825
Sheesh! It's impossible for a working girl to catch up here at the end of the day!

Welcome to all the new posters!

And kiki - I sure would like to know what electronic equipment was seized. IIRC, BTK (Rader) was ultimately caught when the taunting messages he was sending to LE were connected to a computer at his CHURCH.

It was thought Rader had posted on some of the crime boards. Towards the end, right before his arrest, I started lurking at some of the boards. One night, there was a cryptic and, even now, the feelings associated with a certain "knowing" come back .. I truly believe that post had been from BTK himself.

Don't recall the board .. I was just reading along.
 
  • #826
I dont know if this has already been posted. Sorry if it has.

Major Case Squad Using Twitter to Search for Information on Columbia Killings

"Investigators with the Major Case squad have taken to social networking websites online in an effort to share and solicit information on the murders in Columbia, Illinois last week, along with other cases. They say they still want more input even though they believe they know who killed Sheri Coleman and her two sons.

The Major Case Squad has set up a Twitter Page to communicate with people on the web.

Wednesday there were big developments involving the Major Case Squad investigation into the murders. The head of the Major Case Squad, major Jeff Connor, says he believes he knows who killed Sheri Coleman and her two sons Gavin and Garrett."


http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-columbia-051309,0,5639499.story


Hi OBE - nice to "see" you! Thanks for this info. Any ideas on what they could possibly be looking for?
 
  • #827
It was thought Rader had posted on some of the crime boards. Towards the end, right before his arrest, I started lurking at some of the boards. One night, there was a cryptic and, even now, the feelings associated with a certain "knowing" come back .. I truly believe that post had been from BTK himself.

Don't recall the board .. I was just reading along.

I don't recall seeing that, but it totally sounds like something he would have done.
 
  • #828
I dont know if this has already been posted. Sorry if it has.

Major Case Squad Using Twitter to Search for Information on Columbia Killings

"Investigators with the Major Case squad have taken to social networking websites online in an effort to share and solicit information on the murders in Columbia, Illinois last week, along with other cases. They say they still want more input even though they believe they know who killed Sheri Coleman and her two sons.

The Major Case Squad has set up a Twitter Page to communicate with people on the web.

Wednesday there were big developments involving the Major Case Squad investigation into the murders. The head of the Major Case Squad, major Jeff Connor, says he believes he knows who killed Sheri Coleman and her two sons Gavin and Garrett."


http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-triple-murder-columbia-051309,0,5639499.story

Someone else knew about those threats. I posted the link several days ago. The person blogged for prayer after learning of the murders and stated Coleman family had been threatened for "nine months".

The person either knew Coleman or knew of him .. to have this information.
 
  • #829
I tried this morning to see things from other perspectives...but I am back to only one perp at the end of the day. Chris Coleman, imo, is responsible for the murders of his wife and children.

I've even tried to figure out how he could pull this off using a hitman.

It just doesn't seem likely to me tho - given the hour or so window of opportunity....just seems like he'd arrange for a hitman while he was out of town on a trip -- not within minutes from home.

Just thinking out loud here...

I don't think a hitman would be as worried about gunshot residue or bloody clothing (using knife for example) as someone like a husband who needed to be "clean" when leaving the house....not to mention, a hitman would want a "quicker" method of murder so he could get in & out of the house in as little time as possible.

the "strangling" still seems more likely to be done by someone who didn't want a weapon that could be traced or make a mess that had to be cleaned up....CC appears to have a schedule he needed to stick to.

Even a stalker theory doesn't play out for me....wouldn't a stalker who was aware of CC's schedule wait til CC was at work in the middle of the nite?...why choose such a small window of opportunity (an hour or so) - predawn at that -- when he could have much more time with CC @ work??

Not that these things don't happen ... just looking at the odds of hitman or stalker vs. spouse.
 
  • #830
I don't recall seeing that, but it totally sounds like something he would have done.

I knew in my gut it was him ...such a dark, sick feeling came over me .. wish I could recall the board and point out the post.

Can't prove it ... but there was just "something" about it .... a certain darkness, evil... like a taunting, as well
 
  • #831
It's an argument we see a lot - "Why do you object to people screaming that he's a saint, should they just turn their back on him and feed him to the wolves?". It's a straw man - the extremes are not the only choices available. You can support someone you care about WITHOUT tearing down the families of the victims, the police and DA, and the public - even if you know they did something wrong.

He's not been arrested, much less found guilty yet - I get it. But what we've seen sure doesn't look good to me. I don't expect those close to him to abandon him, but I do expect them to act in a way that's respectful toward those investigating what happened, the families of the victims, and so forth.

I agree, Adnoid. I'm sure it's a difficult position for JMM to be in. Yet I can't help thinking that they, like LE, know much more than we do. For them to abandon him now is just as disturbing as it would be for them to stand by him if he is arrested and found guilty. I don't want to read more into their actions than actually exists, but it is my opinion that they know, or at least believe, he killed his beautiful family.

IMHO
 
  • #832
I knew in my gut it was him ...such a dark, sick feeling came over me .. wish I could recall the board and point out the post.

Can't prove it ... but there was just "something" about it .... a certain darkness, evil... like a taunting, as well

That is creepy! But as the saying goes, "pride goeth before a fall." Sadly, Rader got away with it for far too long and was living a seemingly normal life until he was finally caught. But as brilliant as he believed himself to be, he didn't cover every base. They never do.
 
  • #833
Someone else knew about those threats. I posted the link several days ago. The person blogged for prayer after learning of the murders and stated Coleman family had been threatened for "nine months".

The person either knew Coleman or knew of him .. to have this information.

analytical, I don't doubt that CC had some threat letters to show LE or that he talked about them with friends/family/colleagues.

I just have a hard time accepting the legitimacy of the 'threats' - and even if they were/are *real*, are they just conveniently part of a wicked plan to off his family??

Admittedly, I have a harder time accepting things that seem "hinky" to me as anything *but* that given my own experiences with an abuse ex-Wasband who was really big into headgames & scaring me....he even had "friends" who played along with him because they, being as sick as he was, found it amusing to terrorize me.

It's my experience that many folks on true crime boards have been exposed to, or are survivors of, the same twisted folks who do things like this.

And why our hinky meter shoots off the charts as soon as we hear of murders of a SAHM & her kids.
 
  • #834
  • #835
This presents an interesting point. A Christian would surely stand by a brother in his time of need following such a tragedy. Then again, as Christians, they can't actually stand by a brother they KNOW to be a murderer. I'm sure JMM will pray for him, but to continue to support him otherwise may create the perception they condone what they know he has done.

That certainly may not be what's happening with JMM. But it could be. Based on what WE know, it seems a bit early in the game for them to withdraw their support entirely.

IMO

I think they know more than anyone, but CC.
I can just see the private interrogations, I mean talks, going on. Every employee has spilled their guts.
Has anyone ever worked with a group and didn't know the water cooler talk?
IMO
 
  • #836
analytical, I don't doubt that CC had some threat letters to show LE or that he talked about them with friends/family/colleagues.

I just have a hard time accepting the legitimacy of the 'threats' - and even if they were/are *real*, are they just conveniently part of a wicked plan to off his family??

Admittedly, I have a harder time accepting things that seem "hinky" to me as anything *but* that given my own experiences with an abuse ex-Wasband who was really big into headgames & scaring me....he even had "friends" who played along with him because they, being as sick as he was, found it amusing to terrorize me.

It's my experience that many folks on true crime boards have been exposed to, or are survivors of, the same twisted folks who do things like this.

And why our hinky meter shoots off the charts as soon as we hear of murders of a SAHM & her kids.

ITA TM! I don't feel we're quick to judge so much as we've seen so many of these cases and know how to smell a rat when there is one.

Also - LOVE, LOVE, LOVE "wasband!"
 
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  • #838
Have they made an arrest yet? I just turned on Nancy Grace and it says they're awaiting an arrest at any moment (I think this is a repeat from the 8pm episode, which is why I'm asking).
 
  • #839
analytical, I don't doubt that CC had some threat letters to show LE or that he talked about them with friends/family/colleagues.

I just have a hard time accepting the legitimacy of the 'threats' - and even if they were/are *real*, are they just conveniently part of a wicked plan to off his family??

Admittedly, I have a harder time accepting things that seem "hinky" to me as anything *but* that given my own experiences with an abuse ex-Wasband who was really big into headgames & scaring me....he even had "friends" who played along with him because they, being as sick as he was, found it amusing to terrorize me.

It's my experience that many folks on true crime boards have been exposed to, or are survivors of, the same twisted folks who do things like this.

And why our hinky meter shoots off the charts as soon as we hear of murders of a SAHM & her kids.

Since I don't have a "hinky" meter perhaps I look at things with a different perspective.
 
  • #840
Someone else knew about those threats. I posted the link several days ago. The person blogged for prayer after learning of the murders and stated Coleman family had been threatened for "nine months".

The person either knew Coleman or knew of him .. to have this information.
Or they misquoted it from an article. Just saying...

Everything we have seen has stated six months...not nine.
 
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