Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

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  • #881
The MCS officer's salaries are paid by their home departments. I have just figured they didn't want to keep paying all of that overtime if it was going to be awhile before an arrest was made.


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Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching View Post
After watching NG and listening to Major Jeff Connor again tonight...it is obvious he is talking about Chris Coleman, imo.

The explanation of why the detail was pulled off Chris makes sense, too. The reporter mentioned it was because MCS were not going to be staying on the case indefinitely and could not keep up that type of surveillance after they found the SA's office was not going to go ahead with charges yesterday. Major Connor's response was they had people on him because something could have come up and they would have to follow up with Chris. Reading between the lines...they anticipated an arrest. It would make perfect sense they handed the detail off to the local authorities from Columbia (not Chester).

Keep in mind that Chester is the county seat of Randolph County and that the Randolph County Sheriff's Dept home base is right here in Chester IL also.
 
  • #882
Anyone think it's weird that we haven't seen Chris Coleman come forward and do any public pleas for information (ex- "please, if you know who killed my family, come forward")? We haven't seen him to anything, really.

I just think if my children and spouse were murdered, my entire focus would be finding who did this.

Under the circumstances, no, I don't think it's weird at all. I think the reviews he received from folks who witnessed his exaggerated reaction when his dead family was discovered, forced him to abandon his acting career. :rolleyes:
 
  • #883
Hi Pattycake! I'll try to do a quick summary.
1. Basically, the children and wife were found strangled, some report in their beds. There are also reports that they were covered with sheets and/or spray painted. This is not official news.
2. There are reports that the family was the subject of threats from some unnamed person who vandalized their mailbox and otherwise threatened the family. We do not know if this info only came from the husband but, there are reports that the polcie were called on occasion.
3. Messages were spray painted on the walls of the home at the time of the murders. Reports say it was something to the effect of: I told you this would happen."
4. Many of us here suspect that Chris staged these threats to make it look like a stalker killed the family.
5. Chris apparently said he called from the gym or on the way home to check on his family because he always does so before the boys go to school to make sure they are up and to say goodmorning. He may say he got nervous and called LE when there was no answer because of the threats.
6. Chris works as a security officer for a major evangelcial org that he is a member of. Some are creeped out by this org and the head of it arrived at the house only a couple hours after the bodies were discovered.
7. Many question how his family would have been accessible if Chris knew security so well. Couldn't he have crafted a security system for his house? Apparently, there were cameras set up bu the DVR in one is missing. Reports are that LE is searching for it.
More Later...

To continue:
8. Reports are that Chris did have a mistress in FL who removed her Myspace shortly after the case broke. LE has apparently been to FL to interview someone.
9. Chris did not work the night of the murders. He does work nights. There are reports from a neighbor that he heard loud arguing and screaming at @ 3:00 a.m. the morning of the murders.
10. Chris reportedly met LE at his home. It is unclear if he found the bodies first or if LE did. He then sobbed, fell to the ground and rolled on the grass until he was put in an ambulance? (I'm unsure here). I don't think he was taken to the hospital.
11. Chris retained a very high profile crim defense lawyer hours after the discovery. Subsequently, LE had to get a court order for his fingerprints to narrow down who was in the house. It appears he has not voluntarily given anymore info or evidence.
12. Chris did not notify his wife's family for two days after the discovery. He then acted strange about the funeral and changed his mind about letting them take the bodies to their hometown for a funeral there. The family got a court order allowing them to have the bodies in their hometown for the funeral. The bodies later came back for burial.

Originally Posted by gitana1
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13. The family home was put into Chris's sole name in December? (Unsure of date). Both cars are in his sole name. No one knows why.
14. Chris apparently seemed unmoved at the visitation for his little boys and wife.
15. LE has reported that they think they know who did it but are not quite ready for an arrest. One poster stated LE came by her house (she's a neighbor of the family) and insinuated that the public has nothing to fear because it is as it appears to be (editorial: That hubby killed his family). LE has reported that this seems to be an isolated incident and that the wife and kids were specifically targeted.
16. LE seems to be keeping Chris under surveillance.
Anything I missed?

I grouped your various posts / synopsis, hope that was okay. WOW, ty so much Gitana1 for this. People just starting to read this story will be so thankful for your hard work. Brings me a lot more up to speed. :blowkiss:
 
  • #884
And why would Sheri not have discerned something ominous if her husband was indeed planning to kill her AND the children. If she even had an inkling, do you think she would have stayed?


I could see the thoughts of potential danger crossing a wife's mind...then dismissing it because of denial or because a friend or relative downplayed suspicions.

Also, many wives, especially those with deep religious convictions, do not consider leaving a marriage - no matter how bad it may be....they've made their 'til death do we part' promise and hold onto it for all it's worth, nor do they want to rip apart a family, especially when a father is a "good" one to their children.

Again, speaking from personal experience here as it happened to me....I went to the preacher's wife about my situation and was told I just needed to pray about it.
 
  • #885
Maybe they met in MP school.

Do you have undisputed proof that she was in the armed services?

According to the obits (and they should be accurate as that information is supplied by the survivors), Sheri was in the AIR FORCE .. NOT the Marines, as widely reported and widely reposted by commenters on many message boards.

Chris was in the Marines.

To further support that Sheri was in the Air Force, her father and uncle both reference that in their posts in the online guest book at PD.
 
  • #886
Hello ChesterGal, come in Agent ChesterG :)

Hey, just wanted to clarify something...

Earlier when I asked "where are you" -- I wasn't asking your physical location (as in personal geographic location). I was asking where you were here in WS (i.e. were you lurking), as I was hoping for an update report from you :) Tis all -- you can become an addiction you know :blowkiss:

As a note, I don't think ANYONE in here should EVER let anyone else in here know where (precisely) they are located unless/until they have come to know beyond most all doubt that the other person is absolutely safe.

BTW, again, appreciate your input in here.

W
 
  • #887
MP... Military Police
 
  • #888
Under the circumstances, no, I don't think it's weird at all. I think the reviews he received from folks who witnessed his exaggerated reaction when his dead family was discovered, forced him to abandon his acting career. :rolleyes:

What I think everyone fails to factor in is that Coleman is most likely acting under advice of counsel. Perhaps Margulis has advised him against a public appeal.
 
  • #889
Ummm .... that's where I have trouble. Misstatements are made .. other posters believe them as fact and run with many posts based upon incorrect information.

I don't have to source this ... if they grew up in different states, there could be NO relationship starting in high school.

This is the thing of which false allegations are made ...

I think you greatly underestimate the posters here. And you make alot of comments insinuating that. I think the members here are smart enough to be able to take things for what they are worth. Geeze.
 
  • #890
Ummm .... that's where I have trouble. Misstatements are made .. other posters believe them as fact and run with many posts based upon incorrect information.

I don't have to source this ... if they grew up in different states, there could be NO relationship starting in high school.

This is the thing of which false allegations are made ...

Does it matter if they have been having an affair to 12 yrs or 12 days?He was playing around and that is the only thing that matters because he was cheating.With her best friend so it shows how slimy he really is.
 
  • #891
one can possess discernment without benefit of a hinky meter
hinky meters have nothing to do with discernment... they have to do with your gut and are not "analytical" at all. As an open heart nurse I never leave my "gut" (hinky meter) at home because it is usually right and can eventually be backed up with the needed facts.
 
  • #892
My ex father in law was controlling and mentally abusive to his wife. She got tired of it and moved out. One night a guy broke in and attacked her, no sexual attack, robbery or anything like that. Just wrestled with her a bit and left. And that was after she received hang up calls for days before. She freaked out and moved back home. Well the story is, that her husband hired a guy from work to scare, not hurt her, so she would move back home. :bang:

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about SQ....it's really hard to get one's mind around these things but they do happen.

And after talking to so many women who've had similar experiences, in addition to our own, I believe we become hypervigilant -- and apparently what it takes to survive these days.
 
  • #893
Well..that explains a lot~ LOL Being hinkymeterless could be a problem on a board that deals with opinions, ideas, speculations, and assumptions mixed in with factual information. :)

I could order you one if you so desire. ;) I hear they run about $29.95 for the version which allows minimum speculation. LOL :blowkiss:


Darn! I paid a whole lot more for mine.
 
  • #894
Do you have undisputed proof that she was in the armed services?

According to the obits (and they should be accurate as that information is supplied by the survivors), Sheri was in the AIR FORCE .. NOT the Marines, as widely reported and widely reposted by commenters on many message boards.

Chris was in the Marines.

To further support that Sheri was in the Air Force, her father and uncle both reference that in their posts in the online guest book at PD.

You are talking about the woman in FL right? Someone posted a picture of her yesterday in her military uniform. I do not know which branch of service.
 
  • #895
Under the circumstances, no, I don't think it's weird at all. I think the reviews he received from folks who witnessed his exaggerated reaction when his dead family was discovered, forced him to abandon his acting career. :rolleyes:

Was that a media report, reported on one of the bulletin boards .. a neighbor account?

I wasn't there. I didn't see this allegation ... I can't be sure he rolled in the grass.

I'll draw no conclusions because I can't find any information that he did ... I find this type of conclusion-drawing to make a leap to a person's guilt in the murder of his wife and children extremely troubling.

I know of a person who dropped to the ground onto their stomach sobbing when their beloved cat was found dead. I observed the reaction. That person then rolled on their side sobbing, pulling their knees to their chest.

.. just something to think about.
 
  • #896
And why would Sheri not have discerned something ominous if her husband was indeed planning to kill her AND the children. If she even had an inkling, do you think she would have stayed?

Oh Analytical, at some point she apparently discerned a whole lot - but like most women (who are nurtures by design) she didn't want to break up her family - at least in the beginning.

I don't know if I am speaking to someone who knows what it's like to be a part of a non-denominational christian church like this - but I can give you a pretty good idea of what happened with Sherry, who by all accounts, was also deeply involved in JMM.

She most likely was a part of a women's ministry group and quite possibly a small group too. These groups meet regularly to "fellowship" (build relationships) and offer support and encouragement to each other. She would have felt comfortable in approaching a female leader and talking about her marriage. If Sheri was ready to approach Chris they would have done counseling together. Undoubtedly she would have been encouraged to read one or more of Joyce's books or teaching CD's.

From this teaching she would have been admonished and encouraged to be a "better" wife to her husband. To submit to him and make her self more attractive. She would likely have rebuked her her emotions as the "Battlefield of the Mind" as JM puts it (and don't get me wrong, I do believe that the battlefield is in the mind). She would have thrown herself into ministry activities and found whatever solace and joy she could in her sons and her friends. She probably started modeling to regain her self-esteem (or to say FU to CC)

I doubt that she allowed herself to entertain the notion that he was remotely capable of killing her and her babies. He (if he) would have used the threats against the ministry to play her emotions and her loyalties. I know how hard it is to leave the "family" that this kind of church becomes in your life. You spend almost all of your free time involved in "church life".

The bigger question to me is how people who have been entrusted to "high places" can be such hypocrites - but then I remember that the only folks Jesus ever got really pissed of at were the Pharisees.
 
  • #897
And why would Sheri not have discerned something ominous if her husband was indeed planning to kill her AND the children. If she even had an inkling, do you think she would have stayed?

After a gazillion cases almost just like this one... if it turns out to be death by husband.... I am not surprised she stayed...inkling or no inkling.
 
  • #898
And why would Sheri not have discerned something ominous if her husband was indeed planning to kill her AND the children. If she even had an inkling, do you think she would have stayed?

What wife, living the life we have seen so far, would possibly believe her OWN HUSBAND would murder her and their babies? Good Lord! I would venture to say no one who knows CC would have seen this coming. I'm quite sure we'll see plenty of evidence of that in the near future.
 
  • #899
You are talking about the woman in FL right? Someone posted a picture of her yesterday in her military uniform. I do not know which branch of service.

I erred in posting that ... there is no proof that they are the same person. Same name .. but no indication they are the same person.

So one cannot infer CONCLUSIVELY that the g/f is also in the military.

News reports state her current employment .. you'd think if she were a veteran it would be reported.
 
  • #900
Oh Analytical, at some point she apparently discerned a whole lot - but like most women (who are nurtures by design) she didn't want to break up her family - at least in the beginning.

I don't know if I am speaking to someone who knows what it's like to be a part of a non-denominational christian church like this - but I can give you a pretty good idea of what happened when Sherry, who by all accounts, was also deeply involved in JMM.

She most likely was a part of a women's ministry group and quite possibly a small group too. These groups meet regularly to "fellowship" (build relationships) and offer support and encouragement to each other. She would have felt comfortable in approaching a female leader and talking about her marriage. If Sheri was ready to approach Chris they would have done counseling together. Undoubtedly she would have been encouraged to read one or more of Joyce's books or teaching CD's.

From this teaching she would have been adminished and encouraged to be a "better" wife to her husband. To submit to him and make her self more attractive. She would likely have rebuked her her emotions as the "Battlefield of the Mind" as JM puts it (and don't get me wrong, I do believe that the battlefield is in the mind). She would have thrown herself into ministry activies and found whatever solace and joy she could in her sons and her friends. She probably started modeling to regain her self-esteem (or to say FU to CC)

I doubt that she allowed herself to entertain the notion that he was remotely capable of killing her and her babies. He (if he) would have used the threats against the ministry to play her emotions and her loyalties. I know how hard it is to leave the "family" that this kind of church becomes in your life. You spend almost all of your free time involved in "church life".

The bigger question to me is how people who have been entrusted to "high places" can be such hypocrites - but them I remember that the only folks Jesus ever got really pissed of at were the Pharisees.

Do you know this to be fact about Sheri or is it your thesis as to your supposition based on your own personal experiences?

I'd submit it's your thesis.

Proof please?
 
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