Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

[kinsey milhoune]

They are blinded by their faith IMO.How many thousands of times have we seen the shock neighbors ,friends and co workers have when some one is arrested for killing family members.Maybe the tears were for himself.

Like Scott Peterson & Drew Peterson, who I believe are pathological narcissists and/or sociopaths, there is a fine line there or they could be both, they present a completely different picture of themselves to the outside world.

John Wayne Gacy was a narc/sociopath & he was admired by the people in his town, he volunteered & was a great person to the outside world.

That is why so many people can say they cannot believe this or that person could do something like this.

They are the masters of deceipt! As far as tears, that is learned response for narcissits, they do not actually have any emotion, they learn what is proper to do in society, but they do not feel anything for anyone else, unless it IS about themselves!

 

[Stella5]

I think there is much more to this case than meets the eye.

I'll venture that there is a possibility that someone was so bent on targeting Chris and family that they set it up to leave Chris behind and frame him for the murders.

Would you be open to the possibility that the "threatening letters" were actually a method devised by Chris to make Sheri feel threatened? I know how much you love speculation & rumors, but a lot of them are proving true in this case so far (the affair, for instance) The big rumor right now is that they were actually seperated. Take that FWIW, and then let's talk motive.

You're asking us to be open minded to CC being not guilty, I'm asking you to be open to the possibility that he did in fact commit this crime.

 

[kiki the parrot]

discernment isn't powered by a "hinky" meter and I have no desire to have a "hinky" meter but hey .. if that's what you have and you want to call it that ... well .....

Well if not "hinky meter" surely we're familiar with the term "contentious..."

It is a Fact he is a cheating .So how is it misleading? He was in fact banging his wifes best friend.

Oh mmm... c'mon, tell us how you really feel dear... lolol. :floorlaugh: :blowkiss:

arrot:

 

[Fairy1]

I find it a real leap to even imply the brother based upon a video.

Did you watch that video? I don't suspect the brother, but you never know. Blood IS thicker than water....

 

[kiki the parrot]

The first written mention on CNN - short, sweet, and totally devoid of any mention of JMM - and published after CC's resignation. I know that certain posters think that JM is irrelevant to this case, and others that I sound like I am a rabid JM anti-christian - but I assure you, that is not where I am coming from. I am a believer who has followed JMM for the past 9 years, and grateful for the teaching I learned in those early years.

I also watched the "housewife from Fenton" grow into mega star, complete with all of the trappings. I watched the family business grow to the point where the money machine has to be fed on a huge scale, both to support the road shows, the outreach ministry, the family compound, their political activities and a lavish lifestyle.

I'm not a "hater", but more saddened by the way this ministry has, IMHO, been seduced by mammon (sorry but it's the religious name for something that I believe is totally relevant to this case.)

Was CC was able to deceive JM and the "inter-sanctum" of an organization that demands moral accountability from it's employees? His father is pastor of a church that subscribes to the same doctrine. Who missed the signs? From the evidence presented so far, CC is not that smooth of an operator, or a good liar. Did no one see, or more importantly, discern that something was wrong? And don't think for a second that this brand of faith respects the privacy of it's ministry members. That's not how it works.

If anything, I would say to JMM - please re-read II Corinthians, 12:7, Matthew 6:19-21 and Matthew 19:16-30
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/14/illinois.family.slain/index.html

n/k... might wanna brush up on I Tim 6:10 and I John 2:15 too while they're studying...
arrot:

 

[mikeysmommom]

I think there is much more to this case than meets the eye.

I'll venture that there is a possibility that someone was so bent on targeting Chris and family that they set it up to leave Chris behind and frame him for the murders.

I really wish that was so but I doubt it.Sounds more like an episode of CSI than the reality you see on forensic files,or the first 48 hrs.

 

[chestergal]

I saw a post @ sltoday.com that claimed he was fired (early this a.m.) but KiKi posted an article this afternoon that said he was confronted by JMM (failure to to comply with policy) and he resigned.

So - in my mind, that's as good as being fired....in a backwards sort of way. [/QUOTE

IMO the "resignation" story was agreed upon by both parties for both of them to save face. JMM to protect her reputation for not abandoning a loved employee (as per their own press release last week) in a time of need by firing him; and CC to not have even more suspicion thrust upon him by being fired. However you just have to read between the lines to see what's really going on... JMM is distancing herself and her empire from this big time!

Resignation in this case means... You broke our employee rules which is grounds for termination (fired).
You can choose to be fired and possibly face legal charges or a lawsuit from us or you can resign quietly and we won't pursue legal charges or a lawsuit against you.

 

[analytical]

Can it be inferred this is the reason for termination? ... see bold:

"Police seized "electronic equipment" connected to Christopher Coleman's former security job, Walker said, but would not describe what it was or how it had been used."

Note that Roby Walker of JMM stated the equipment was seized ,,, equipment "connected" to Coleman's former job.

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/769243.html

 

[kiki the parrot]

Like Scott Peterson & Drew Peterson, who I believe are pathological narcissists and/or sociopaths, there is a fine line there or they could be both, they present a completely different picture of themselves to the outside world.

John Wayne Gacy was a narc/sociopath & he was admired by the people in his town, he volunteered & was a great person to the outside world.

That is why so many people can say they cannot believe this or that person could do something like this.

They are the masters of deceipt! As far as tears, that is learned response for narcissits, they do not actually have any emotion, they learn what is proper to do in society, but they do not feel anything for anyone else, unless it IS about themselves!

:clap:Say that!! What kinsey said omg if I could I would've thanked you twice for this post lol (it wouldn't let me darnit!) Geesh if I hear anymore from people outside the immediate family what a "nice person" somebody is... :banghead: Trust me if we're not in the home we don't have a CLUE what somebody is like behind closed doors. JUST sayin folks... btw my applause doesn't come cheaply

arrot:

 

[mikeysmommom]

Can it be inferred this is the reason for termination? ... see bold:

"Police seized "electronic equipment" connected to Christopher Coleman's former security job, Walker said, but would not describe what it was or how it had been used."

Note that Roby Walker of JMM stated the equipment was seized ,,, equipment "connected" to Coleman's former job.

http://www.bnd.com/breaking_news/story/769243.html

I would think they seized his computer at work ,probably when he was working nights he might have used it to im his girlfriend ,also might have used it to compose those threats.
Just because police seize items it's not cause to terminate someone not if you feel your employee is innocent.

 

[Fairy1]

Resignation in this case means... You broke our employee rules which is grounds for termination (fired).
You can choose to be fired and possibly face legal charges or a lawsuit from us or you can resign quietly and we won't pursue legal charges or a lawsuit against you.

The question is, what "rule" did he break? I seriously doubt their rules specifically state you cannot kill your wife and children. Likely don't state you cannot have an affair. So, what were the grounds for termination?

And, under the circumstances, why would they allow him to resign? The friggin COO handled it personally. That's NOT SOP - in any corporation...ANYWHERE!

 

[mikeysmommom]

:clap:Say that!! What kinsey said omg if I could I would've thanked you twice for this post lol (it wouldn't let me darnit!) Geesh if I hear anymore from people outside the immediate family what a "nice person" somebody is... :banghead: Trust me if we're not in the home we don't have a CLUE what somebody is like behind closed doors. JUST sayin folks... btw my applause doesn't come cheaply

arrot:

It was a terrific post:clap::clap::clap::clap:this clapping guy should be next to the thank you.

 

[mikeysmommom]

The question is, what "rule" did he break? I seriously doubt their rules specifically state you cannot kill your wife and children. Likely don't state you cannot have an affair. So, what were the grounds for termination?

And, under the circumstances, why would they allow him to resign? The friggin COO handled it personally. That's NOT SOP - in any corporation...ANYWHERE!

I do not understand that either.He should have been fired.

 

[analytical]

I would think they seized his computer at work ,probably when he was working nights he might have used it to im his girlfriend ,also might have used it to compose those threats.
Just because police seize items it's not cause to terminate someone not if you feel your employee is innocent.

There was a report .. not a post .. but a newspaper report that a computer had been taken from the house by police .. his parent's house.

 

[Lindadanette]

Wouldn't that require a court order showing probable cause? I imagine that would definitely be the pivot point. (Referring to the termination/resignation)

 

[mikeysmommom]

There was a report .. not a post .. but a newspaper report that a computer had been taken from the house by police .. his parent's house.

I know but police will also take a work computer too.

 

[Stella5]

I would think they seized his computer at work ,probably when he was working nights he might have used it to im his girlfriend ,also might have used it to compose those threats.
Just because police seize items it's not cause to terminate someone not if you feel your employee is innocent.

Electronic Equipment can mean anything... especially in a security position where it would be quite normal for CC to have had it on his person even off company property.

What is very interesting, but not previously quoted, is Roby Walker also said "As there is an ongoing investigation, the ministry can't comment on any specifics," he said. "However, we are working with investigators and are thankful that they are doing their very best to solve this crime."

So did they tip LE as to what electronic CC did have that could help in the investigation? I would say yes, to further distance themselves.

 

[fmrchesterguy]

I think there is much more to this case than meets the eye.

I'll venture that there is a possibility that someone was so bent on targeting Chris and family that they set it up to leave Chris behind and frame him for the murders.

I knew Chris Coleman and his family fairly well, 10+ years ago. People change in 10 years, military service can change people, Marines probably go through more change than members of the other services. So I fully understand that the Chris Coleman I knew then, may not be the same Chris Coleman we all see in the news today.

It's probably a very 'special' type of person that can strangle 3 other people, especially when they are your spouse and children. I have a very difficult time believing that the Chris Coleman I knew possesses that personality trait.

However, having only 'leaks' from LE and 3rd party information from Chris' family members to form an opinion with, I find it at least as difficult to believe that anyone else was involved.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Wouldn't that require a court order showing probable cause? I imagine that would definitely be the pivot point. (Referring to the termination/resignation)

They would have to have a search warrant I believe to take it.

 

[Stella5]

The question is, what "rule" did he break? I seriously doubt their rules specifically state you cannot kill your wife and children. Likely don't state you cannot have an affair. So, what were the grounds for termination?

And, under the circumstances, why would they allow him to resign? The friggin COO handled it personally. That's NOT SOP - in any corporation...ANYWHERE!

The quotes seem to be messing up... Chester wrote that one. But I totally agree with your reply!