Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt2

[TallCoolOne]

I appreciate your perspective. However, EVERYONE has a hinky meter! Maybe it isn't in full operation when looking at murder cases, but you can't expect us to believe that it isn't on alert when you meet people!

I really respect your ability to stay your course in the face of so very much opposition. If I were ever on trial, I would want you on the jury!

I could find a thousand plus murderers on death row and serving life with out parole that feel the same way.

I'm just sayin'

 

[TallCoolOne]

Could you even stand up if your beloved wife and beautiful little boys were just strangled to death? Would your mind even go to that place, thinking about your own legal rights and protections? Or, would you be in that horrific place filled with a dread sense of panic, emergency, despair, rage, frantic need to have the bad guy caught and black feeling of fear that you will never see you babies or your wife again, wondering how the hell you will be able to breath without them? Remember, this was hours, not weeks after the murders. quoted from gitana


Gitana, I have felt those feelings of despair and not being able to breath and no I could not think of anything else. Some cannot allow themselves to go to those feelings..however if they had lost someone close enough they would never use diversion techniques again. Thanks so much for your post. You read my mind.

Mine as well.

 

[chestergal]

Picture of Sheri and boys graves - taken yesterday 5/14/09 - with flowers wreaths on graves.
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/murd625may14.jpg

 

[TallCoolOne]

Why don't you write the blogger and ask? Why did he pull the post after queried about how he knew there were threats? Curious, eh? I'd say. If it's an innocent blog post just asking for prayer, why did it need to be obliterated?

The blogger knew .. .guess he didn't want to "get involved" or answer any questions as to how he'd know about the threats.

Or they wizened up and didn't wish to be called to the carpet......... Lot's of explanations are possible for that.

 

[TallCoolOne]

And why would Sheri not have discerned something ominous if her husband was indeed planning to kill her AND the children. If she even had an inkling, do you think she would have stayed?

Like all the women whose husbands have murdered them you mean?

 

[chestergal]

Lots of info here...

http://www.thebadge.us/mcs/2009/05/...colemans-await-word-from-prosecutor.html#more

05/14/2009

-snippet-Columbia, Ill. — The lead investigator hunting the murderer of a woman and her two sons said Wednesday he knows who did it — but that the prosecutor may take a month or more to review the evidence.
"Our investigation reveals who is responsible for these deaths," said Maj. Jeff Connor, deputy commander of the Major Case Squad, adding it was "one person."
-end snippet-

 

[Lindadanette]

Do you have a theory on why anyone would want to do that? Did he have any known enemies? Was he involved in something or have some knowledge that made him a target? If so why kill the family? I'd venture to guess that there was no-one out to get CC for anything in particular. If there was it would have made more sense to target him alone than to murder three other people and leave CC alive. If he had some knowledge that was threatening to someone else killing his family is unlikely to make him stay quiet about it.

To be honest, the emoticon on Tara Lintz's Myspace is still creepy under the circumstances. . . To be excited and show a skull????? It makes me wonder what her role was in all of this. Could the computers seized from JM could hold the answer? Even deleted e-mails are retrievable unless the disc drive was replaced. Usually an IT tech is the only person authorized to replace hardware in a corporate setting. I guess we'll see.

 

[FOXTERRIER]

My nephew played football with Garrett & Gavin, the following email was sent to all the parents in the Organization. What a nice tribute to those little angels.

What time do you get your kids up for school? What time does school start?

My nephew lives in the next town over, so they went to different schools. My little guy doesn't get up until 1/2 hour before he has to leave for school (NOT 2+ hours!)!!:behindbar

 

[ohiogirl]

We know that "no" suspect has been named yet -- but let's just say "if" Chris was "the" suspect they were talking about in the press conference yesterday...

I'm wondering if Chris has a realistic, real loving friend or many more that might read this and then go to him and say, "Chris...with all my heart, I can't believe, I don't want to believe that you did this, but I have been fooled before in life..." -- could they tell him that "if" he did this, continuing on without turning himself in and confessing, is only going to turn this whole thing into something so much more ugly than it already is. "If" he did this -- taking this to court to try to get him off or something more lenient is only going to victimize many many more people.

Might a friend like that say -- "Chris, if you did this and this goes to court, do you know that everyone in a jury room is going to be forced to look at the corpses of your family having been so violently murdered?" Might they inform him that any kind of dirt that could be slung about his family members and anyone he ever loved and got dragged into this on his behalf, WILL be slung to try to get him off and that many many more people will be injured in the course of trying to get him what? Off?

Maybe I'm appealing to people who really do love and who really did know, or thought they knew, Chris and Sheri and who could really drop all guard and go to him with the "if" and say -- "if" -- can you stop here now. They will know that they took their part to stand the hard road and face what they could never want to believe -- they will also know far more "if" Chris does get officially named as suspect, and this goes to trial. The latter being the circumstances, some very hard things will be learned.

IF there is another suspect -- nothing will have been lost by going to Chris, not one thing.

W

IMO only, I think once Chris feels the noose tightening and the arrest is iminent, he will commit suicide. Or, his family will realize the facts and STRONGLY encourage him to turn himself in. Just me thinking out loud.

 

[chestergal]

http://www.thebadge.us/mcs/2009/05/...colemans-await-word-from-prosecutor.html#more

Connor said they would stop monitoring Coleman's movements. (hee hee... I believe MCS has stopped watching CC, but that does not mean that another LE is not watching him 24/7. Chester is the County Seat of Randolph County. The sheriff's office main head quarters is right here in Chester and not far away from CC parents house.)

 

[Jack]

2. We don't know if his alibi is shaky. Without knowing TOD, right now all we know is when he left, where he went, and when he arrived home.

TOD, I believe, will be the smoking gun in this whole case. With the short interval between the time CC left the house and when the family was discovered murdered there wuld have been little time for their body temperature to drop significantly. So if the coroner reports that the body temperature was such that the TOD was hours earlier, when CC was home, then I think there is little reason to doubt who the murderer is.

Of course we aren't privy to that info just yet. But the investigators are and they seem convinced that they know who the person responsible is. Any other evidence compiled, including circumstancial evidence, will just bolster their conclusion.

 

[artie gumshoe]

Good morning.
First of all, I will go against my gut feeling and my experience and say that he may not be guilty. There is the idea that someone, (no ninjas here, trying to be serious) was sending them messages for 6-9 months, whenever it was. The rumor that Sheri was a big spender and if that was true and CC didn't make a lot of money at that job, then maybe they did want to remove Sheri's name off of everything to re-finance and get a better rate and save his credit from her bad credit. The contacted the cops because of the threats and because he stayed at home that monday night, decided to take it easy and clean out the basement of trash before summer started, for the kids. He unlocked the window and opened it, using it to get some fresh air. At night, he closed the window but forgot to lock it. Now, maybe, even though he was in the security business, he maybe forgot to set the alarm or maybe they didn't have an alarm thinking that the cameras was enough of a deterant, including the 6 LE who live in the area.

He had an arguement with his wife, all married men seem to do this at one time or another. We don't know how often or if this even really happened. He slept and woke up, leaving at 5:45 or so. Sheri and the boys should be waking up about then as the bus, if they take the bus, comes around 7 or 7:30. School starts around 8, also, so they woudl have been up and getting ready still. So, a killer got in through that unlocked back window, snuck in, killed them all, and wrote a message and left. CC called from the gym, with no answers he called the cops to check. He came back home, saw the bodies and freakout knowing that not only they were killed and gone forever but that the threat was true and he did have his family killed.

If the threats really did say, "keep doing this and your family will be dead." Then they would be prohetic in the final note of "I told you this would happen". So, the reality kicked in, he became histerical and rolled around on the lawn, flailing his arms. He is so crazy that it takes two officers to subdue him and they take him to the hospital in an abulance. (This is what happened, as neighbors saw him roll around and was subdued by the LE. I saw the abulance, with CC in it, still at the scene and then drive off, about 8:30.)

 

[Lindadanette]

IMO only, I think once Chris feels the noose tightening and the arrest is iminent, he will commit suicide. Or, his family will realize the facts and STRONGLY encourage him to turn himself in. Just me thinking out loud.

I do too. I just can't imagine him going to prison (and bringing that shame on his daddy's church) I also can't imagine JM risking exposure and potential damage by being forced to testify under oath at what will undoubtedly be a widely publicized murder trial. I sure hope that LE has presented these theoretical circumstances to the DA - because if he is the perp and takes the easy way out - there will always be a shadow of doubt that can be used to make a martyr out of him.

 

[Jack]

To be honest, the emoticon on Tara Lintz's Myspace is still creepy under the circumstances. . . To be excited and show a skull????? It makes me wonder what her role was in all of this. Could the computers seized from JM could hold the answer? Even deleted e-mails are retrievable unless the disc drive was replaced. Usually an IT tech is the only person authorized to replace hardware in a corporate setting. I guess we'll see.

I haven't read about that, but at first glance I would think that if she was excited and showed a skull prior to the murders that she might have had some prior knowledge as to what was about to take place. If she was having an affair with CC I wouldn't think it out of the realm that she knew and approved of what was being planned. There is the slight possibility that she could have been the planner too and that she hired a hit on the family so she could have him all to herself. I find that unlikely considering that she could have planned it better so as not to implicate the person she would have been trying to "free" from his obligations. Just speculation, but women do strange things for the men they love though so it is a possibility.

 

[milopedes]

TOD, I believe, will be the smoking gun in this whole case. With the short interval between the time CC left the house and when the family was discovered murdered there wuld have been little time for their body temperature to drop significantly. So if the coroner reports that the body temperature was such that the TOD was hours earlier, when CC was home, then I think there is little reason to doubt who the murderer is.

Of course we aren't privy to that info just yet. But the investigators are and they seem convinced that they know who the person responsible is. Any other evidence compiled, including circumstancial evidence, will just bolster their conclusion.

I agree wholeheartedly and have posted essentially the same statement numerous times within this thread. The minute I heard that CC told the police he left between 5:40 - 5:45 a.m., and they arrived at his home around 7:00 a.m., I knew he had painted himself into a corner - if he is indeed guilty.

 

[Texas Mist]

Good morning.
First of all, I will go against my gut feeling and my experience and say that he may not be guilty. There is the idea that someone, (no ninjas here, trying to be serious) was sending them messages for 6-9 months, whenever it was. The rumor that Sheri was a big spender and if that was true and CC didn't make a lot of money at that job, then maybe they did want to remove Sheri's name off of everything to re-finance and get a better rate and save his credit from her bad credit. The contacted the cops because of the threats and because he stayed at home that monday night, decided to take it easy and clean out the basement of trash before summer started, for the kids. He unlocked the window and opened it, using it to get some fresh air. At night, he closed the window but forgot to lock it. Now, maybe, even though he was in the security business, he maybe forgot to set the alarm or maybe they didn't have an alarm thinking that the cameras was enough of a deterant, including the 6 LE who live in the area.

He had an arguement with his wife, all married men seem to do this at one time or another. We don't know how often or if this even really happened. He slept and woke up, leaving at 5:45 or so. Sheri and the boys should be waking up about then as the bus, if they take the bus, comes around 7 or 7:30. School starts around 8, also, so they woudl have been up and getting ready still. So, a killer got in through that unlocked back window, snuck in, killed them all, and wrote a message and left. CC called from the gym, with no answers he called the cops to check. He came back home, saw the bodies and freakout knowing that not only they were killed and gone forever but that the threat was true and he did have his family killed.

If the threats really did say, "keep doing this and your family will be dead." Then they would be prohetic in the final note of "I told you this would happen". So, the reality kicked in, he became histerical and rolled around on the lawn, flailing his arms. He is so crazy that it takes two officers to subdue him and they take him to the hospital in an abulance. (This is what happened, as neighbors saw him roll around and was subdued by the LE. I saw the abulance, with CC in it, still at the scene and then drive off, about 8:30.)

GM, artie!

Your post is a good read for another potential scenario.

The question that I can't get past (in my own mind) tho is why would a killer choose a very risky timeframe to enter the home & commit the murders. Why wouldn't the killer wait until CC was at work @ his nite job - when the possibility exists that CC would be away from home for hours before returning?

From the timeframe we know, there was only about an hour between the time CC left to goto Gold's & when the phone call to "police" was made & the bodies discovered.

Even an attempt to frame CC wouldn't necessarily require an early a.m. slaughter of the family while CC was working out at the gym, right? I mean, if the family was murdered within minutes of CC leaving the home (assuming this is what TOD will indicate), wouldn't that also apply if done while CC was working his 3rd shift job?

Hope this makes sense...still working on my 1st cuppa joe.

 

[Lindadanette]

GM, artie!

Your post is a good read for another potential scenario.

The question that I can't get past (in my own mind) tho is why would a killer choose a very risky timeframe to enter the home & commit the murders. Why wouldn't the killer wait until CC was at work @ his nite job - when the possibility exists that CC would be away from home for hours before returning?

From the timeframe we know, there was only about an hour between the time CC left to goto Gold's & when the phone call to "police" was made & the bodies discovered.

Even an attempt to frame CC wouldn't necessarily require an early a.m. slaughter of the family while CC was working out at the gym, right? I mean, if the family was murdered within minutes of CC leaving the home (assuming this is what TOD will indicate), wouldn't that also apply if done while CC was working his 3rd shift job?

Hope this makes sense...still working on my 1st cuppa joe.

Or will he change his story and "admit" that he was out all night and came home to grab his gym stuff and leave before his wife got up and confronted him? He intended to come back after the kids left for school, decided to call home to make sure everyone was up and knew where he was and ?????????? It still doesn't make sense beyond this point.

 

[milopedes]

GM, artie!

Your post is a good read for another potential scenario.

The question that I can't get past (in my own mind) tho is why would a killer choose a very risky timeframe to enter the home & commit the murders. Why wouldn't the killer wait until CC was at work @ his nite job - when the possibility exists that CC would be away from home for hours before returning?

From the timeframe we know, there was only about an hour between the time CC left to goto Gold's & when the phone call to "police" was made & the bodies discovered.

Even an attempt to frame CC wouldn't necessarily require an early a.m. slaughter of the family while CC was working out at the gym, right? I mean, if the family was murdered within minutes of CC leaving the home (assuming this is what TOD will indicate), wouldn't that also apply if done while CC was working his 3rd shift job?

Hope this makes sense...still working on my 1st cuppa joe.

This is an excellent post! :clap:

See, this is why I come to this website. I like the back and forth discussion, which raises new, interesting and very difficult questions for us to answer. I'll have to think about this for awhile, but honestly, at the present moment I have no idea.

Again, thanks for the thought-provoking post!

 

[milopedes]

Or will he change his story and "admit" that he was out all night and came home to grab his gym stuff and leave before his wife got up and confronted him? He intended to come back after the kids left for school, decided to call home to make sure everyone was up and knew where he was and ?????????? It still doesn't make sense beyond this point.

Well, the minute he changes his story I think he is in trouble. The suspicion is tremendous right now, and it would be overwhelming if he alters his official story.

 

[artie gumshoe]

No, Texas Mist, your questions make sense and that is the strange thing that would make some of us hint that it was not a random killer. Here's the thing, the detective in the subdivision, works nights as well. So, at 6:00am, his marked detective car, would have been visible from the house. Driving into the subdivision, you would pass, between 5:45 and 6:50, no less than two state tropper cars in the apartment lots and then as the road continues on, you would see one more LE car. These cars are all marked, so who would have enough guts to do this in a subdivision where they had the potential of being caught red-handed?

If not CC, there was an idea that it was a mob hit, and no, I am not talking about the Italians. My family has strong ties with the Michael's family if you know anything about STL mobs and if it was a mob hit, the killer would most likely used a gun, with a silencer and a pillow, to keep it super quiet and stop an other discharge from the gun and such. Its easier to shoot and run than stop and strangle. Or actually, the Michael's would have used a car bomb. But still a night hit would have been better, not in broad day-light, with cops everywhere.