Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

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  • #321
Wonder if there are alot of camera's in the parking lot also? I'm sure alot of peope leave their stuff in their cars. I would think the parking lot has several camera to deter from car break ins. I'm hoping gold's gym has cameras like Target. I was amazed at the Casey A video from there. It was very clear. come to think of it hopefully CC bought his spray paint and gloves there!

Funny you should mention Targets someone on a comment board said they have film from targets with CC buying paint and gloves just hoping it is true and not a rumor.Targets has the best security systems.
 
  • #322
Thats right I forgot to add her............must be a relative...........I have spent so many hours with really good questions and have never gotten on.Maybe we should sleuth her and ask her the secret to getting to talk to Nancy.


no, no, it's SHELBY from Il. I can swear to it -- cuz I keep laughing about how does this name keep coming up. I love that name - it's from one of my favourite movies (Steel Magnolias), and Shelby (Julia Roberts) played an awesome role.

Crazy how I remember things, eh....
 
  • #323
According to weathbug.com they do not have traffic cams in Columbia yet.


http://www.webcamlocator.com/united_states/illinois.htm

I am not familiar with the area, but here is a list of some known camera's.

Yeah I was looking at the City & Counties websites last week to see if they did have their street cameras (if they had any) online. In my county, St. Charles, you can see the street cameras live. You can also see the highway cameras live on gatewayguide.com They reported a camera at the front of the neighborhood, but I've not found it online. I'm guessing they record it since they pin pointed CC's departure as 5:43 a.m.
 
  • #324
it's getting late here so bear with me...buuuut -- what good is a surveillance camera unless there is someone to monitor it -- in terms of crime prevention (not find the perp *after* crime is committed)? After all, it sounds as tho the threats were related to harming the Coleman family...sooo, unless there was a big sign that said "Dude, we are watching you!" how will it deter violence against the family?
It wouldn't. It would only catch the perp leaving the threatening notes in the mailbox...or the husband casually getting into his car to go to the gym. ;)
 
  • #325
The Gold's I was a member of might not have had cameras, but you did have to sign in with your thumb print.

It would be interesting to know what is workout session was like that morning, was he in a class with multiple people? what was his mood like? Or did he sign in, and then go shower and sulk in the dressing room for 45 minutes trying to call his wife?

I would LOVE to know that! I wish we could get someone on here that was there when he was. I know no one down that way or I would ask ;-) I'm too nosey! I'm driving all my LE friends :crazy: with all my ?s
 
  • #326
The Gold's I was a member of might not have had cameras, but you did have to sign in with your thumb print.

It would be interesting to know what is workout session was like that morning, was he in a class with multiple people? what was his mood like? Or did he sign in, and then go shower and sulk in the dressing room for 45 minutes trying to call his wife?

Also did he discard anything in there trash cans? did he leave in the same clothes/shoes he arrived in? did he use any towels that they could get transfer off of? Was he seen scrubbing paint off in the bathroom? So many possiblities. This will be a very interesting court case as far as evidence.
 
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Funny you should mention Targets someone on a comment board said they have film from targets with CC buying paint and gloves just hoping it is true and not a rumor.Targets has the best security systems.

That would be nice. Especially if that was the ONLY thing he was buying.

Does Target even sell spray paint? I don't recall ever seeing it in the hardware department around all the nails, extension cords, etc... I'm always in that section for 3M tape thingys and now that I'm thinking about it can't recall ever seeing it there. I know they don't have a paint department. Just curious - trying to prove/disprove yet another rumor, lol!
 
  • #330
That would be nice. Especially if that was the ONLY thing he was buying.

Does Target even sell spray paint? I don't recall ever seeing it in the hardware department around all the nails, extension cords, etc... I'm always in that section for 3M tape thingys and now that I'm thinking about it can't recall ever seeing it there. I know they don't have a paint department. Just curious - trying to prove/disprove yet another rumor, lol!

Here in NJ they sell it.
 
  • #331
It wouldn't. It would only catch the perp leaving the threatening notes in the mailbox...or the husband casually getting into his car to go to the gym. ;)

thanks for helping me with my reality check SS....my brain gets tired trying to think like a perp
 
  • #332
True, but keep in mind. As nutjobs go, the religious nutjobs are the ones you REALLY have to watch out for.

Yes they are. I hate to keep bringing up old cases, but that kook Brian David Mitchell (who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart) was a drifter and self-described prophet who calls himself "Emmanuel".

You have no argument from me that many religious people are nut jobs. I can imagine that preacher woman needed a security guard.

Moo

Mel
 
  • #333
Here in NJ they sell it.

So maybe they do here. I'm driving myself crazy trying to remember if it was at Target here or not when my 11 year old needed blue spray paint to paint a paper mache whale. We always go there first for things cause it's close, but I know we bought it at Home Depot - but can't remember if they had it, or didn't have it, or didn't have the right color. ARGH!!! Now I'm gonna have to take a trip to Target to verify it, lol! Dang rumors!
 
  • #334
Here in NJ they sell it.

Here in San Diego they don't -- well, you have to buy it from behind the counter and be over 18. Too many huffers in town (can you believe that). I was watching COPS the other day and there's this gal with silver paint all around her mouth (not sure if any of you caught that episode).

There sure are some whackos out there....huffing paint....good Lord.

Mel

edited to add: Target has cameras at their checkouts -- so if CC purchased paint (or shoestring) for that matter, we'd eventually see the tapes. I guess he hasn't been following the Anthony case :)
 
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Yes they are. I hate to keep bringing up old cases, but that kook Brian David Mitchell (who kidnapped Elizabeth Smart) was a drifter and self-described prophet who calls himself "Emmanuel".

You have no argument from me that many religious people are nut jobs. I can imagine that preacher woman needed a security guard.

Moo

Mel

I just want to clarify my statement.

I did not say, or intend to imply that I thought religious people were more or less likely to be nutjobs than nonreligious people.

I said nutjobs who were also religious were generally more worrisome than nutjobs who are not religious.
 
  • #337
Here in San Diego they don't -- well, you have to buy it from behind the counter and be over 18. Too many huffers in town (can you believe that). I was watching COPS the other day and there's this gal with silver paint all around her mouth (not sure if any of you caught that episode).

There sure are some whackos out there....huffing paint....good Lord.

Mel

That is just crazy!
 
  • #338
Here in San Diego they don't -- well, you have to buy it from behind the counter and be over 18. Too many huffers in town (can you believe that). I was watching COPS the other day and there's this gal with silver paint all around her mouth (not sure if any of you caught that episode).

There sure are some whackos out there....huffing paint....good Lord.

Mel

Gold spray paint gets you the highest. Especially if you chase it with black.
 
  • #339
Picture of I-255 on the Illinois side (runs east to west)
You can see the Mississippi River and the JB Bridge on the left side (the left/west side of the picture is MO and of course the right/east side is IL) Coleman lives by the triangle/clover shaped intersection - if you zoom in you can see the large lake directly east of the heart of the triangle/clover intersection.

Chester is to the south (but is too far away to be in this shot) - it is about 50 miles directly south

If you look on the MO side you see the first exits very close to the river.
To the right (north) is a tear drop loop - that is a old vacant rest stop
and to the right you will see two loops with one inside the other. If you go down the road along the river you will see a vacant lot with numerous roads in it (the roads are hard to see now because of weed growth). That is where the old Koch Hospital use to be. (you will see a large area of white colored land farther south of the old hospital land. The white area of land is a active quarry.)

It is very easy to access these (to get off and back on the highway) and no one really goes down in that area since the old rest stop is closed and over grown with weeds and the old Koch Hospital land is where kids use to hang out at night before the hospital was tore down about 10 years ago. (there are many human bones in the area in pits - google Koch Hospital St. Louis to learn more about it)

http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=15&X=462&Y=2663&W=3&qs=|columbia|illinois|

You could not stop on the JB bridge without someone noticing you and if you wanted to toss something out into the river you would have to get out of your car. That bridge is pretty busy at that time in the morning - not bumper to bumper of course but at least 10 cars at a time may be on the bridge at that time of day and you can see all lanes clearly no matter what lane you are in. (it is a 6 lane bridge - 3 lanes on each side and very wide open with a full view around you including way in front of you)

also if you pulled over on the bridge shoulder and got out of your car you would have to walk to the rear or front of your car to reach the wall on the side of the bridge. You would have to step up and lean somewhat across the rail at the top of the wall to toss something into the river. If someone saw you they would take notice as you would look like you were someone about to jump off the bridge. Also there is a pretty good size sand bar that comes out from the northeast side of IL at the bridge. (LOL - I wonder if the dip**** threw it onto the sand bar and he thought he hit the water - that sand bar could really fool someone who was in a hurry.)

Koch pronounced Coke

here is a view as you go across it from the IL side to the MO side (traveling west)

jbbridge.jpg
 
  • #340
Yep, St. Louis has cameras all over the place. You can even view them online. http://www.gatewayguide.com/atis/index.html

I wonder if they caught him on camera, maybe that s why the searched that area.That would be great if they have tape of him throwing out any items.Since it was quick that Police were involved just hrs not days it would still be available.That might be what they are waiting for if they are enhancing it.
 
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