Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt5

[Stella5]

I want to know what the bad word was on the dang living room wall!! Is it too much to ask for them to give us the first letter or for them to say a word that rhymes?!

What bad word goes with "PUNISHED"?

There had to be many words with it, dontcha think? I can't think of one "bad" word that would make sense with punished if crazy stalker dude was sending Chris a message.

The Helter-Skelter talk has to be a clue. Manson preached his own version of Revelations to his followers, which culminated in all that insanity of murdering people just because. I cannot remember what was written on the walls other than "Helter (badfword) Skelter"

 

[Kimster]

Great point! It will be extremely difficult for another expert to argue it three times over. :clap::clap::clap::clap:

I was thinking more along the lines that they'll say one person killed the family while another one did the spray painting. You know, long haired dirty hippie killed them while hippie girl in the floppy hat painted the walls?

 

[chestergal]

ok i lied... that wasn't my last post. :crazy:


daddy c probably is too busy getting his church peeps back in line since sonny boy was arrested.

 

[Stella5]

CC was most likely sedated at the hospital when his ambulance arrived. Would be surprised if they use that as a reason for changing his story.

Isn't that just a PD comment board rumor? Didn't they catch him on camera leaving the neighborhood in his SUV - that's where the 5:43 came from when he originally said 5:30.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

"Punished B---h"? Like now she was punished?

Yes, that could work. But...if he wanted to make it so the threats were geared towards the whole family and included him...I don't know. He probably wrote things that will tie back to those threats which he claimed were about his work with JMM.

 

[Kimster]

There had to be many words with it, dontcha think? I can't think of one "bad" word that would make sense with punished if crazy stalker dude was sending Chris a message.

The Helter-Skelter talk has to be a clue. Manson preached his own version of Revelations to his followers, which culminated in all that insanity of murdering people just because. I cannot remember what was written on the walls other than "Helter (badfword) Skelter"

The other word was "Rise". (I lived in the area where they had their desert hideout...know quite a bit about the case...my dad worked on cop radios back then and saw the group in the Independence jail).

 

[Stella5]

"Punished B---h"? Like now she was punished?

Could be. MCS ... Can we buy a vowel?

 

[Bluenotes]

And would he have taken the 255 from Afton to the gym? I'm not familiar at all with the area?

No, Affton is farther into MO.

 

[Kimster]

Oh yeah, they also wrote "Pig"

 

[Stella5]

I was thinking more along the lines that they'll say one person killed the family while another one did the spray painting. You know, long haired dirty hippie killed them while hippie girl in the floppy hat painted the walls?

Don't forget while saying "Groovy Man"

 

[Stella5]

Maybe the crazy ninja stalker killer got hot while running around spray painting after he killed three people? :crazy: Like the defense will say, "Hey...It could happen!". LOL

LMAO!

:crazy::clap::waitasec::woohoo::bang:

The jury listening to A & B

 

[Kimster]

Don't forget while saying "Groovy Man"

LOL! A la Jeffrey MacDonald style! :loser:

 

[Stella5]

The other word was "Rise". (I lived in the area where they had their desert hideout...know quite a bit about the case...my dad worked on cop radios back then and saw the group in the Independence jail).

Something in a Beatles song.... dang it!!! I knew this case inside and out many moons ago while doing a paper on it in school.

 

[fmrchesterguy]

Not sure if I mentioned it on this thread or not, but sometimes I get a bit "Ann Rule" on these cases....wanting to know more about the perp's past so I can figure out how in the earth they can do such a thing! I'm not trying to damn Pastor Ron Coleman, just trying to figure out what went so terribly wrong.

Well, here are my 2 cents. They may or may not have value.

If I have my timeline straight Chris was probably around the age of 10 when his parents became Christians. Grace Bible Church's first meeting place that wasn't someone's living room used to be a bar, a bar that was not completely unfamiliar to his parents. I remember RC talking about the irony of 'I used to sit on a bar stool over there, and now I'm behind a pulpit up here' or something to that effect.

There is nothing 'wrong' with going to bars. There is nothing 'wrong' with not being Christian, and neither of these acts are going to turn your son into the kind of person who murders his own family.

But, and this is something that was honestly in my head ~15 years ago, maybe Chris already had his outlook on life set by watching his parents live what was by all accounts a very 'worldly' lifestyle. Maybe he was already destined to be more comfortable living that lifestyle than the strict 'oldest son of a respected preacher' that he was thrown into.

Maybe after living what might have felt like a lie for the last 20+ years he couldn't do that any more. A divorce would embarrass his parents, and probably cost him the $100k/yr job that he was very unlikely to ever replace. And he snapped...


That is the only way I can explain, to myself, the CC I knew having done this.

 

[Stella5]

Oh yeah, they also wrote "Pig"

YES!!! On Sharon's door! That's where MacDonald got the idea to write pig above his wife's body.

 

[Stella5]

No, Affton is farther into MO.

Keep reading Blue, we solved that mystery lol!

 

[pres101]

Isn't that just a PD comment board rumor? Didn't they catch him on camera leaving the neighborhood in his SUV - that's where the 5:43 came from when he originally said 5:30.

After the discovery and CC's theatrics. (flailing arms and rolling in the grass) He's so "hysterical" that they took him away in an ambulance. I am assuming that they likely treated him at the hospital. The only treatment I can think of would be sedation. If so then he can claim that he was not able to think clearly.

A part of the Plan??

 

[Stella5]

Well, here are my 2 cents. They may or may not have value.

If I have my timeline straight Chris was probably around the age of 10 when his parents became Christians. Grace Bible Church's first meeting place that wasn't someone's living room used to be a bar, a bar that was not completely unfamiliar to his parents. I remember RC talking about the irony of 'I used to sit on a bar stool over there, and now I'm behind a pulpit up here' or something to that effect.

There is nothing 'wrong' with going to bars. There is nothing 'wrong' with not being Christian, and neither of these acts are going to turn your son into the kind of person who murders his own family.

But, and this is something that was honestly in my head ~15 years ago, maybe Chris already had his outlook on life set by watching his parents live what was by all accounts a very 'worldly' lifestyle. Maybe he was already destined to be more comfortable living that lifestyle than the strict 'oldest son of a respected preacher' that he was thrown into.

Maybe after living what might have felt like a lie for the last 20+ years he couldn't do that any more. A divorce would embarrass his parents, and probably cost him the $100k/yr job that he was very unlikely to ever replace. And he snapped...


That is the only way I can explain, to myself, the CC I knew having done this.

That does shed some light on it. While it's not impossible 10 is kind of old to relearn some behaviors you've been taught, or witnessed, or lived as being okay. Thank you for that insight.

 

[Stella5]

After the discovery and CC's theatrics. (flailing arms and rolling in the grass) He so "hysterical" that they took him away in an ambulance. I am assuming that they likely treated him at the hospital. The only treatment I can think of would be sedation. If so then he can claim that he was not able to think clearly.

A part of the Plan??

Could very well be. How long was he hospitalized. I know he spent hours with MCS being questioned (can't wait to see those transcripts) Did he not know the camera was at the only entrance/exit to his neighborhood?

 

[chestergal]

Well, here are my 2 cents. They may or may not have value.

If I have my timeline straight Chris was probably around the age of 10 when his parents became Christians. Grace Bible Church's first meeting place that wasn't someone's living room used to be a bar, a bar that was not completely unfamiliar to his parents. I remember RC talking about the irony of 'I used to sit on a bar stool over there, and now I'm behind a pulpit up here' or something to that effect.

There is nothing 'wrong' with going to bars. There is nothing 'wrong' with not being Christian, and neither of these acts are going to turn your son into the kind of person who murders his own family.

But, and this is something that was honestly in my head ~15 years ago, maybe Chris already had his outlook on life set by watching his parents live what was by all accounts a very 'worldly' lifestyle. Maybe he was already destined to be more comfortable living that lifestyle than the strict 'oldest son of a respected preacher' that he was thrown into.

Maybe after living what might have felt like a lie for the last 20+ years he couldn't do that any more. A divorce would embarrass his parents, and probably cost him the $100k/yr job that he was very unlikely to ever replace. And he snapped...


That is the only way I can explain, to myself, the CC I knew having done this.

Was the bar called the Landmark/Captain's Table? (well that is what it is called now)