Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt6

[SeriouslySearching]

Hello All,

Whoever investigated this case knows precisely the positions of the bodies, the manner of death -- we do not. What we have been told is that it was ligature strangulation. The ME will know whether the ligature was put on before or after death...

The murderer of Sheri, Gavin and Garrett either brutally murdered them and then laced them with a ligature (as far as we are told) in order to stage some type of "how I kill 3 people" kinda thing OR he picked up each of their heads and laced them with a ligature and then brutally murdered them that way.

A ligature is not something that you lay across someone, you have to "put it around them." This is a definite, planning murderer who does this.

Imagine someone walking in to a sleeping child... How do you get the ligature around them? You have to "work at it."

When I think of what it takes to ligature strangle 3 separate people, it makes me angry beyond belief at the wickedness. Cold blooded, sickening, disgusting piece...

If any of us can lend a clue to get the monster who did this put down, we should.

Ligature strangulation was the COD per Major Connor. It means the ligatures were put on before the death and even with other injuries, this was the final act.

I agree it took planning, time, and force. He could have changed his mind after Sheri and before he went into each room. He had 3 chances. Instead, he made conscious decisions to murder each one. (There goes the Insanity Plea) There is no doubt he is all of the above: Cold blooded, sickening, and is a disgusting !

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yuppers, unfortunately so often it is reduced to entertainment. They worry more about ratings than accuracy. It's pretty bad when posters on a crime board know the details better then the people who are supposed to be reporting them!!!

I think Perper is hoping this will land him a job.

I blame her producers and staff for not fact checking. NG goes into the studio thinking they have their stories straight. She needs to crack down on them when she is confronted with the facts after the shows. She also needs to tell them to read here to insure what they are saying are not just yesterday's old rumors we have already debunked.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

o my goodness! I can't believe that I am totally caught up! And no one is here.... :crazy: I have a ton of notes, the posts everyone is writing are really impressive!

Well, I guess since it was discussed not to long ago, i'll pitch my two cents in about how the affair motivated CC...

Tara wanted Sheri's life. Chris didn't want his life with Sheri. Tara thought that would get Sheri's life if she had Chris. Chris thought.... well, Chris wasn't thinking, he just wanted freedom or just wanted to feel free.

Tara is pressuring Chris to leave Sheri. I'm not sure if Chris ever wanted to leave his life with Sheri, or if he just wanted to fantasize that he could. Tara threatens to tell Sheri, Chris feeds her a line about getting married to keep her off his back while he figures out what to do. At this point it gets real for Chris, Tara starts ordering wedding invites and Chris realizes that he is not leaving one life to go live another, he is leaving his life with Sheri to live that same life with Tara.

Not sure at what point he set the plan in motion or if CC actually thought that he was going to go through with it when he did. Not sure either what finally triggered the actual murders, but I wonder if it had anything to do with CC realizing he was not going to be free with Tara. That even if he could free himself from Sheri and the boys, there was no escaping the expectations of his family to do the right thing.

I think SS said something about the family blaming Tara for what CC did to his family. As I was reading one of the articles about CC and his mistress a reader made the comment implying that these murders never would've happen if those women weren't running around tempting men. Is this attitude apart of the cultish type of religious beliefs in Columbia? Because it seems that a child growing up with a father who's followers give him sports cars and money with no questions asked is going to grow up with some entitlement issues. If his father had that kind of authority with those outside of the family, I can't even image the authority he had within the family.

Anyway, I gotta get to bed.

EDIT: Knowing what we know of Sheri, if Tara really wanted to live a healthier life Sheri would have been behind her every step of the way.

Excellent post! You made some very good points and could be right about Chris realizing he was going to be entangled not free with MM. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Unfortunately, blaming "those women" is part of their thinking due to their belief system, imo. Resisting "temptation" and all of that. However, when I mentioned his family putting the blame on Miss Motive...I was talking about the actual murders and not just about the affair. It would go along with SODDI defense and they could say SHE had the motive to kill his family. (Could be the reason if she has agreed to help the prosecution.)

Sheri would have helped her any way she could...but now I have to wonder if this is possibly how the affair started with Chris. Maybe she did ask for help in order to get closer to Chris.

 

[Kimster]

it's awful...Sheri left this sweet message too:

Dec 17 2007 4:58 PM

How in the world are you?
I miss you guys
Hope all is well
Love, Squeaky

There are a lot of comments out there that Miss Motive is innocent, and she is - of MURDER! But I hope Sheri never knew what was going on because honestly? To be BETRAYED by TWO people you love makes you WANT to die!

:furious:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There are a lot of comments out there that Miss Motive is innocent, and she is - of MURDER! But I hope Sheri never knew what was going on because honestly? To be BETRAYED by TWO people you love makes you WANT to die!

:furious:

:clap::clap: It is one thing for a man to betray you, but coming from your best friend...it is devastating. I hope she never found out how the two people in her life she trusted could turn on her like they did in the end.

ETA: Good Morning, Kimster~ I was talking to myself here.

 

[Kimster]

I'm up in Draper. That whole deal fascinated me. David Ragsdale is one of the most pathetic people I've ever seen. His defense was going to be that a nurse practitioner prescribed him too many meds for depression, and the meds made him crazy. His sister went on this media campaign that attempted to portray him as a victim in the whole thing - even went as far as to say his wife kind of brought it on herself, as she had really encouraged him to see the nurse practitioner. Then, a few months later, his attorneys petitioned the court to force the jail to bump his meds - it seems he was feeling depressed (jail apparently does that - go figure).

Fortunately, it seems he finally realized that emptying a gun into his wife's body in front of her mother and dozens of witnesses doesn't put you in a great position to mount a defense, and he pleaded guilty. The civil suit played a large part in that - almost immediately after the murder, Ragsdale hired Greg Skordas, one of Utah's highest profile criminal defense attorneys. Ragsdale had been making somewhere north of $250K/year prior to the murder, and was going to use the family's assets to pay for his defense. After the civil filing tied up those assets, he was forced to get a public defender. I think he's in prison now for a minimum of 20 years. And from what I understand, he's very unlikely to ever get out.

Here's a short article about it, if anyone is interested.

What a .

WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS!!! :blowkiss:

 

[Kimster]

:clap::clap: It is one thing for a man to betray you, but coming from your best friend...it is devastating. I hope she never found out how the two people in her life she trusted could turn on her like they did in the end.

ETA: Good Morning, Kimster~ I was talking to myself here.

Good morning! I'm having a cup of coffee and reading what I missed last night. I was sooooooooo tired last night that I went to bed very early!

Here you go:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks~ I need more coffee this morning, but I got plenty of rest last night myself. It is going to be a great weekend in spite of the chances for rain.

 

[Kimster]

Gotta go and "do my thing". Hope we get more clues today!

 

[MCDRAW]

Unfortunately, I believe that's exactly what the largest part of "christianity" has come down to today, twisted values, twisted reasoning, hypocricy, and hiding behind "religion". Sad, very sad. "Get out of her My people."

Just because someone goes to church and works in the ministry does not mean that they are Christians. I am not saying that at one time Chris wasn't a Christian. I'm saying that once he chose to cheat on Sheri, he was no longer living his life as a Christian as the Bible says he should. If he killed his family then he did it for reasons only known to him and not because of some twisted christian idea. No where in the Bible does it say that it is okay to kill your family. I know how to play Tennis but if I am on the court I can't play. I believe he knew how to be a Christian but I don't believe he was. JMO

 

[cleo612]

I have been thinking about that house deed and the fact that Sheri's name was no longer on it.

I wonder if it really WAS Sheri that had her name removed. It will be interesting to see who the notary was and whether or not that notary had ANY ties to Grace Church.

After what I have read here about RC, it would not surprise me in the least that he would have called in a favor to have a friend notarize Sheri's signature without her presence or knowledge.

 

[black poodle]

Is there a pic of the GF anywhere just curious?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The wrongful death lawsuit should uncover anything illegal in regards to the deed or other financial transactions taking place without Sheri's knowledge. It will be very interesting to find out what else Chris could have done in order to secure everything in his name.

Was there a secret bank account? Did he hide money from her to pay for plane tickets for Miss Motive and to pay for other things such as his part for the wedding invitations? Credit cards he kept hidden? He couldn't very well use the credit cards he would normally use without Sheri noticing those expenditures.

 

[mikeysmommom]

You don't suppose he's looking for a job with the defense, do you?

Maybe its Professional jealousy,Dr.Baden has made quite a name for himself and also mega bucks.Did anyone ever hear of DR.Perper before Anna Nicole Smith?I sure did not.

 

[pres101]

The wrongful death lawsuit should uncover anything illegal in regards to the deed or other financial transactions taking place without Sheri's knowledge. It will be very interesting to find out what else Chris could have done in order to secure everything in his name.

Was there a secret bank account? Did he hide money from her to pay for plane tickets for Miss Motive and to pay for other things such as his part for the wedding invitations? Credit cards he kept hidden? He couldn't very well use the credit cards he would normally use without Sheri noticing those expenditures.

If I am not mistaken, in IL the house would be considered marital property during a divorce, no matter whos name it was in.

Sheri's name could have been removed for financial reasons during a refinance. However, I doubt that.

If Sheri and the kids were to die, which they did. There could be problems with anything that had her name on it. Especially real estate and automobiles.

With her children gone her family could file a claim to her possessions. It would then be up to a probate judge to decide who got what. With everything in CC's name, it would virtually eliminate any probate.

CC obviously planned to get rid of his wife and she was not going live through it.

 

[analytical]

Pastor Phil Stern of Destiny Church .. where Colemans attended

http://www.destinychurch.org/pages/messages.html

see 5-9-09 :: Jim Stern - When A Headline Hits Home

 

[analytical]

Held in Coleman home Sept. 16 - Nov. 11

It's possible something in this course led to the decision to remove Sheri's name from the deed and re-finance the house - and it has also been reported the house had been on the market, IIRC, at least twice

http://www.destinymembers.org/Content.asp?id=875&Class=477

The Monroe County Appraiser's office shows the document removing Sheri from the deed recorded as of 11.1.08

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Held in Coleman home Sept. 16 - Nov. 11

It's possible something in this course led to the decision to remove Sheri's name from the deed and re-finance the house - and it has also been reported the house had been on the market, IIRC, at least twice

http://www.destinymembers.org/Content.asp?id=875&Class=477

IIRC, someone investigated this and found it gave advice to the contrary of refinancing your house. Maybe the poster will refresh my memory about what they came up with in regards to the course.

Maybe this course lined out details which Chris felt were taking the long way to financial freedom and he wanted a short cut instead.

 

[analytical]

IIRC, someone investigated this and found it gave advice to the contrary of refinancing your house. Maybe the poster will refresh my memory about what they came up with in regards to the course.

Sorry, but that's incorrect. SuziQ or either Wrinkles posted on life insurance advice that comes from the course but no one has commented on the re-fi.

Ramsey also advises on never taking more than a 15-year mortgage.

 

[ALT]

Was there a secret bank account? Did he hide money from her to pay for plane tickets for Miss Motive and to pay for other things such as his part for the wedding invitations? Credit cards he kept hidden? He couldn't very well use the credit cards he would normally use without Sheri noticing those expenditures.

Just a thought here but I wonder if CC had a corporate credit card that he mis-used for costs such as these and maybe that was part of the reason he was forced to resign. I have a corporate card and so does just about everyone else where I work who does any traveling but it's just meant to be used for business travel.