Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[OrdinaryLife]

Having been the one riding on the hay wagon whilst bailing hay and straw I can attest to the strength of the twine. The old bailers used only two stands to hold the bale together and hay is compacted in the process. It's tough stuff, we've used it for many other purposes on the farm. After a couple of years it will weather if left out in the elements and become frail, but otherwise it will hold strong.

I can, without any doubt, attest to this as true fact. Heck, after stacking these 50 pound bales and having "burns" to the strength of the rope, I know this as total truth.

 

[Kimster]

Hi Brownie.:blowkiss: Not here in Cali. As long as the person says they signed it, that's all that is needed.

I used to be a notary in California and yes, that was all that was needed. Here in Oregon, you MUST sign in front of the notary. I found that out when I moved here and a notary made me resign in front of her and explained that to me. It must vary state to state.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I'm certain the fact that this entailed the murder of a beautiful young woman and her 2 young boys helped keep the detectives laughter in check.......

I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to sound like there is anything funny about the lives lost. It just seems like if its so obvious to us that the whole thing was a pathetic attempt by CC to make it look like a *lunatic committed the crime, I just can't imagine what a pathetic joke he must have appeared to LE, especially in questioning... Maybe I should of clarified that it wouldn't be a giggle, giggle laugh, but a shake your head sarcastic what was this loser thinking one.

*lunatic: Other than CC, who is the actual lunatic responsible for this crime.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

What shows she was a bbbbaaaadddd Notary was taking 2K to notarize the documents. Man, I didn't know the fees went up so high (I kid, I kid). In honesty, I feel sorry for her, as I'm sure she had no idea this involved deaths. I'm just praying the CC notary documents are legit. I'm sure the Notary will be called to present her book as well to compare with Sheri's real signature.

Best,

Melanie

FWIW, I am sure that the fee the Notary was paid had to do with the refi. I do know that here, where I live, Notaries do not charge a fee and are not suppose to. Of course, that could be this part of the world. It may be different State to State.

 

[Kimster]

Correct, correct, correct. Acknowledgements can be signed in advance. But if we're talking real estate document - nope. Especially jurats. I've always erred on the side of caution though and have asked everyone to sign in front of me. I was always worried it would come back and bite me in the arss.

I'll have to look at the docs when they are released (it doesn't sound like the notary pages have been releasted yet).

:blowkiss:

Mel

Okay, I caught up with you now. I see what you're saying and yes, that's the way it was for me way back in the day. :blowkiss:

 

[Melanie]

I can, without any doubt, attest to this as true fact. Heck, after stacking these 50 pound bales and having "burns" to the strength of the rope, I know this as total truth.

I live in the city, so no bay here. But, when I see tv shows, those bales are huge, and the guys are usually wearing hefty gloves.

Now that I think about it -- wouldn't CC have some marks on his hands if he used only laytex gloves? Would his hands be burned as well? Would the latex glove have residue? I wish Nancy Grace would ask these kind of questions.

Just curious if this has been mentioned before.

Best,

Mel

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Your premise is flawed, none of us has all the evidence. We have a few police reports sprinkled into a sea of rumor and supposition.

Some of us on here know Chris and his family, and for whatever flaws they may have, I've yet to see where a single person that knew Chris has said 'I knew there was something weird about that guy'

Not one.

So while the 'evidence' that is public is very much stacked against Chris, I am still riding the fence. I can't say that he is certainly innocent, because I wasn't there, I haven't seen all the evidence, or lack there of. I can't say he is certainly guilty, because, again, I haven't seen all the evidence against him, and neither has anyone else here.

In my mind it will all come down to how firmly TOD can be pinned down, and weather or not Chris was home at that time. I hope the trial is swift, thorough, and fair.

If Chris is innocent, I pray that his defense team can prove this without a shadow of doubt so this dark cloud does not hang over his head for the rest of his life.

If he is guilty, then the State of Illinois needs to rethink it's moratorium on the death penalty, because never has a case qualified so greatly.

IMNSHO

I have to disagree. We do have a lot of evidence which was confirmed by the release of the documents yesterday along with what Major Connor has confirmed. Who Knew was only saying "all the evidence" to date, imo. Of course, we know we will never have all the evidence literally...even after trial. (Some things will never be used or released.)

LE and the SA's Office have stated they can prove Christopher Coleman acted alone and is responsible for the murders of Sheri, Gavin, and Garrett Coleman by charging and arresting him. I have no reason, with everything we have seen so far, to believe they cannot prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The TOD, imo, was the confirmation they needed to make the arrest so it has been pinned down.

Sadly for people who do know the Coleman family, this situation is difficult to comprehend. For some, there will never be enough proof to convince them. Scott Peterson still has his supporters. Drew Peterson has a few, too. Chris won't be any different.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I live in the city, so no bay here. But, when I see tv shows, those bales are huge, and the guys are usually wearing hefty gloves.

Now that I think about it -- wouldn't CC have some marks on his hands if he used only laytex gloves? Would his hands be burned as well? Would the latex glove have residue? I wish Nancy Grace would ask these kind of questions.

Just curious if this has been mentioned before.

Best,

Mel

They did mention the "reddish" mark on his hand they swabbed. It could be a "burn" of sorts.

 

[fran]

I was with Fran that day at closing arguments and honestly it was so overwhelming. I don't know how family members can keep still sitting so close to someone that murdered their loved one.

Yes JBean and it was your sister who accidentally saw the picture of poor little Samantha and had to suddenly leave the courtroom. I had a feeling she was upset and at break she told us she couldn't return.

I'll never forget that, or poor little Samantha.

Bless Erin, Samantha's mom. She valiantly sat through every single day of testimony and arguements. Remember how she'd lay her head side-ways on her husband's shoulder. Oh My Goodness.............

fran

 

[Kimster]

I have to disagree. We do have a lot of evidence which was confirmed by the release of the documents yesterday along with what Major Connor has confirmed. Who Knew was only saying "all the evidence" to date, imo. Of course, we know we will never have all the evidence literally...even after trial. (Some things will never be used or released.)

LE and the SA's Office have stated they can prove Christopher Coleman acted alone and is responsible for the murders of Sheri, Gavin, and Garrett Coleman by charging and arresting him. I have no reason, with everything we have seen so far, to believe they cannot prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. The TOD, imo, was the confirmation they needed to make the arrest so it has been pinned down.

Sadly for people who do know the Coleman family, this situation is difficult to comprehend. For some, there will never be enough proof to convince them. Scott Peterson still has his supporters. Drew Peterson has a few, too. Chris won't be any different.

Although I totally agree with you, SS, I think the original post was well thought out and well written. This is the perfect mindset for an impartial juror of which I could not be at this point....

 

[OrdinaryLife]

I live in the city, so no bay here. But, when I see tv shows, those bales are huge, and the guys are usually wearing hefty gloves.

Now that I think about it -- wouldn't CC have some marks on his hands if he used only laytex gloves? Would his hands be burned as well? Would the latex glove have residue? I wish Nancy Grace would ask these kind of questions.

Just curious if this has been mentioned before.

Best,

Mel

In my very unprofessional opinion and a person who never wore gloves baling/stacking hay (I never thought about it, but I was young and stupid back then. Well, more than now. ), CC did not lift bales of hay. He allegedly use baling twine to strangle 3 people. I would think there could be residual fibers, but I do not think we can compare haying to ( as in farming it) strangulation. To many variables. Until forensics is released regarding the impressions left on the bodies, I think it's all speculation at this point.

 

[JBean]

Yes JBean and it was your sister who accidentally saw the picture of poor little Samantha and had to suddenly leave the courtroom. I had a feeling she was upset and at break she told us she couldn't return.

I'll never forget that, or poor little Samantha.

Bless Erin, Samantha's mom. She valiantly sat through every single day of testimony and arguements. Remember how she'd lay her head side-ways on her husband's shoulder. Oh My Goodness.............

fran

Fran I could not recall if it was you or my sister that saw the picture so I did not want to mention it.

Again, I do not know how family can sit so close to the murderer and breathe the same air at the same time.

 

[Fairy1]

I don't know why this is about Joyce Myers. If someone that works for me comits a crime. I don't think that makes me responsible. If one of my friends comits a crime, I don't think that makes me responsible. She is not in the media saying he is innocent. Why is this about her ministry? It appears that CC is a killer who happened to work for Joyce Myers. Maybe they were even family friends. Maybe she should have seen what he was but it appears Chris Coleman apparently fooled a lot of people. Including the wife and children that loved him. I just hate to see people blamed other than the killer. It's no one's fault but Chris Coleman's. He made his choices! JMO

It was not my intention to "bash" JM or JMM or to implicate them in the actual murders and I apologize if it came across that way. Never even heard of them prior to this case! That being said, I don't believe theirs was your standard employee-employer relationship. If I came home and found my entire family slaughtered, my boss would probably be the last person I would call. But CC did do that and JM was there ASAP.

IMO, the connection between CC - and the entire Coleman clan - goes much deeper than just a professional relationship. I guess I'm looking more at the impact the JMM "inner circle" environment may have had on CC psychologically. That is not to say it literally drove him to murder his family, but perhaps he had an elevated sense of entitlement or power due to his position within the ministry. Perhaps he took the message of getting what you want for yourself - at any cost - a bit too far??? Don't know.

There is obviously a great deal of wealth connected to JMM. Personally, I do have a difficult time reconciling that in my own mind - based on their line of business. And it is a business. Seems CC had some shady financial business of his own going on and, IMO, we have not seen the majority of that money trail.....yet.

When a seemingly upstanding, family-oriented, son of a preacher man is suspected of murdering his wife and children, you need to begin peeling away the layers of his life to figure out why. JM and JMM are most certainly some of those layers. IMHO

 

[fran]

I'd be a hoot if the prosecution could use past evidence of "dumber than a post" to help prove their case!:floorlaugh: Has there ever been a crime like this that was pulled off with such utter idiocy? In these kinds of cases I give the detectives props for resisting the urge to slam guys like cc's face against the wall. In this case I also wonder how they also kept themselves from laughing in cc's face.

Well, you know this guy would have to be at least running neck in neck with Scott Peterson, at the least, for being dumber than a door-nail.

FWIW, you know Scott secretly purchased the boat that he ultimately used to dispose of his wife Laci and baby Conner's bodies. He paid cash for the boat in the morning and later the very same day met with his g/f, Amber. It was that very day that he tearfully admitted to Amber that he indeed, had been married but he lost her and this would be the first Holiday without her............of course, this was about three weeks before Scott's wife went missing.

His excuse for the statement,....."well, there's different ways to loose.....":bang:

WTH!

That's all I gotta' say about it.

fran

 

[Fairy1]

Fran I could not recall if it was you or my sister that saw the picture so I did not want to mention it.

Again, I do not know how family can sit so close to the murderer and breathe the same air at the same time.

My stars ya'll! I cannot even begin to imagine. Little Samantha's case hit me so hard and I wanted that BAS*ARD to fry. But I don't think I could sit on a jury in such a case. My heart goes out to those who did - on that case and every other one like it - where they had to see something they will never, ever be able to forget as long as they live.

There is no doubt in my mind that CC's defense team is setting up for a change of venue. But I've said it before and I'll say it again; it won't matter where his trial is held once the jury sees Sheri and those beautiful little boys dead in their own beds. IMO

 

[Kimster]

Watching the NG rerun right now and they say all three were strangled with twine. Someone speculated that SC perhaps wasn't, but that isn't what they are reporting. However, they are not always 100% accurate on NG, either.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Although I totally agree with you, SS, I think the original post was well thought out and well written. This is the perfect mindset for an impartial juror of which I could not be at this point....

It was well thought out and written. I just don't happen to agree with all of it. LOL

The impartial juror will be the one who has not paid attention to the news, doesn't know anything of the people involved including JM, and can honestly say they are open to both the defense and the prosecution. I think finding someone who is unaware of the Colemans AND of JMM is going to be a hard sell when picking a jury. This alone could be enough to move the trial.

 

[who knew?]

They did mention the "reddish" mark on his hand they swabbed. It could be a "burn" of sorts.

I hadn't thought of that - but I'd think with the pressure he had to use on the "ligature" that it would cause some kind of "rope burn"...

 

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I am playing Devil's advocate here...but I hope there is forensic evidence on this twine found 3 miles away. If not, it bears no use....as evidence....

 

[Kimster]

I hadn't thought of that - but I'd think with the pressure he had to use on the "ligature" that it would cause some kind of "rope burn"...

He was wearing gloves though. Isn't that one of the wonderful finds on the freeway?