Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[Melly53]

It is interesting that CC kept the receipt for as long as he did. I also think it's one of those "things" that only CC knows the reason why and it may never make any sense to us. No matter the argument his lawyers will ~try~ to present. It will be weak at best, imho.

As far as all the other financial stuff goes, I believe that LE/MCS had already done much of that homework before CC was arrested for triple murder. It helped aid/build part of their case. IMHO, CC had only tunnel vision and that was one for only himself. To be that absorbed regarding his wants, needs, "loss", and justification for all *he chose* to do is a person who does not function on a healthy human level. CC is not, in any way, mentally ill. He is walking s.o.b. who has only cared for himself. Sadly, many walk among us. How scary is that???

Thinking about the evidence items found in the house, I believe CC left them there to be found, so that in the event LE ever looked at him for the crime, he could claim he was being framed. He just didn't count on them finding the evidence he tried to dispose of that would really tie him to the crime. JMO

 

[Lindadanette]

Maybe. You know, when I (have in the past) became disillusioned by what went on in a group I was part of, I quit. I didn't kill anyone.

Yeah, me neither - but I will say that it took a long time to get the taste out of my mouth:yuck: I think there's something to be said about the "power structure" in the Coleman clan and their affiliation with JMM. If JM has known CC since he was a boy, we can assume she's known BC & KC as well. It occurs to me that there's a distinct appetite for control in these boys. I don't know what KC does, but the rest of them are all in (were in) postions where they have an unusual amount of control over other people.

JM has this same unusual power to an immense degree. I don't know what kind of power DM exerts from behind the throne, but it's still behind the throne and that's got to rankle someone like CC who was probably brought up to think that it's wrong - the threats he was making had to come from somewhere in his brain!.

I don't know anything about their mom, but I can't help but wonder how she has been treated too. She looks a million miles away in every photo I've seen.

 

[impatientredhead]

It is interesting that CC kept the receipt for as long as he did. I also think it's one of those "things" that only CC knows the reason why and it may never make any sense to us. No matter the argument his lawyers will ~try~ to present. It will be weak at best, imho.

As far as all the other financial stuff goes, I believe that LE/MCS had already done much of that homework before CC was arrested for triple murder. It helped aid/build part of their case. IMHO, CC had only tunnel vision and that was one for only himself. To be that absorbed regarding his wants, needs, "loss", and justification for all *he chose* to do is a person who does not function on a healthy human level. CC is not, in any way, mentally ill. He is walking s.o.b. who has only cared for himself. Sadly, many walk among us. How scary is that???

He may have bought the paint months ago as the receipt indicates, but the can itself may have remained with receipt while he waited for whatever he was waiting for to attack. Grabs the bag with the paint, tosses the receipt where they found it and does the worlds worst crime staging. The mailbox, the phones, the throwing of evidence along the path he admits to being on, well he is either stupid (many of us thought Casey Anthony was a mastermind during the months they couldn't find the body only to find out there was no real planning or thought involved at all) or he truly believed his own hype and thought the police would walk in, accept the scene the way CC interpreted, and that there would be no investigation of him.

Which again lends itself to stupid since all spouses are investigated in this type of situation and if the police don't conduct that investigation I guarantee you when you ask the insurance company for their cash, they WILL investigate.

What I see in CC is sneaky, manipulative, self centered, and he projected his own belief that his family was disposable and of no value on to those around him. It was no big deal to him, he had laid out all the clues that would let the police write their reports, and from there who would care about his worthless wife that he had no intent of splitting assets with and the kids he had no intent of raising in her absence. That inability to predict *normal* human response to the situation (again like Casey) did him in.

Another day another sociopath.
It is really too bad they are not more suicidal instead of homicidal.

 

[CountryGirl]

Wrinkles,

First off, thank you for your posts! I enjoy your gift of looking over every detail. My contribution is usually more psych-related and it intrigues me to watch those who are forenthics-gifted!

Can we go back in time to when the bales were being discussed? I remember discussing them and thinking you guys were beating a dead horse. Now I'm rethinking that, of course! There were bales of hay in the backyard for shooting arrows? Were all the bales still bound after the murders took place? Was LE looking over the bales? I'm not sure why they were brought up in the first place.

Thanks!

I haven't caught up on all the threads as I was out of town during the weekend, but the twine used to tie the bales of hay/straw in the back yard was like the twine LE found on the highway they called a "noose". I have tons of it here as we have horses and they don't use baling wire now, just the twine...at least our feed store's suppliers do.

Perhaps one of the bales was missing twine. Our bales have three separate twine ties around the bale. If LE noticed one of the pieces of twine missing they could think it was the murder weapon, therefore search for the same twine--which they evidently found. Won't be hard to determine if it came from the same bale from the house.

 

[impatientredhead]

I haven't caught up on all the threads as I was out of town during the weekend, but the twine used to tie the bales of hay/straw in the back yard was like the twine LE found on the highway they called a "noose". I have tons of it here as we have horses and they don't use baling wire now, just the twine...at least our feed store's suppliers do.

Perhaps one of the bales was missing twine. Our bales have three separate twine ties around the bale. If LE noticed one of the pieces of twine missing they could think it was the murder weapon, therefore search for the same twine--which they evidently found. Won't be hard to determine if it came from the same bale from the house.

The twine comes up later in the search warrants. I think they went searching the route he admitted to driving looking for any evidence he dumped (since they knew who killed the family immediately). They found the twine noose and then went back for the bales that are tied with what appears to be the identical twine.

 

[Melanie]

I don't know, but it reminds me of a funeral home for some reason. Very sterile and fru fru.

LOL - just what I was thinking. No matter how much money - that is not a home, it's a moseleum (sp?). I like houses that are lived in, where you don't have to worry about walking on the carpet!



Is this the house CC and MM had their affairs?

 

[TallCoolOne]

http://www.cbgundaker.com/search/advanced/detail.jsp?type=res&mls_num=90012365

I could not find it my heart to ask the poor for money, if I lived like this.
I would think I would go straight to hell.
IMO

Holy sheep chit batman!! I have to agree. Asking others for their money so one can live like that is disgusting IMO. And, that's all I have to say about that!

 

[fmrchesterguy]

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JMO - How can anyone, with all the evidence, think CC is innocent? (Other than maybe CC's parents and siblings.) Hmmmmm....... I just can't find anything in the evidence that screams (or even whimpers) innocence. I know they need to find jurors who have open minds (I wouldn't be used on the jury - my mind is no longer open, and I started out with the "innocent" side), but with all the publicity on this case, I think that's going to be very hard to do.
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BBM

Your premise is flawed, none of us has all the evidence. We have a few police reports sprinkled into a sea of rumor and supposition.

Some of us on here know Chris and his family, and for whatever flaws they may have, I've yet to see where a single person that knew Chris has said 'I knew there was something weird about that guy'

Not one.

So while the 'evidence' that is public is very much stacked against Chris, I am still riding the fence. I can't say that he is certainly innocent, because I wasn't there, I haven't seen all the evidence, or lack there of. I can't say he is certainly guilty, because, again, I haven't seen all the evidence against him, and neither has anyone else here.

In my mind it will all come down to how firmly TOD can be pinned down, and weather or not Chris was home at that time. I hope the trial is swift, thorough, and fair.

If Chris is innocent, I pray that his defense team can prove this without a shadow of doubt so this dark cloud does not hang over his head for the rest of his life.

If he is guilty, then the State of Illinois needs to rethink it's moratorium on the death penalty, because never has a case qualified so greatly.

IMNSHO

 

[CountryGirl]

:behindbar

Maybe the reason he called for the welfare check was so he would not be recorded on a 911 call.

And, he didn't want to be the one to find the bodies. Much better for LE to find them so he could play the devastated spouse.

 

[waterlooinspector]

Holy sheep chit batman!! I have to agree. Asking others for their money so one can live like that is disgusting IMO. And, that's all I have to say about that!

I still cannot get over a heavy layer of cams and security in the master bedrooms. Makes me wonder what is in the walk in closet....

 

[chestergal]

Here is a good large picture of a straw bale tied.
http://earthandstraw.com/wp-content/uploads/strawbale.jpg
It takes about 8ft of bale twine for each tie.
So you can get about 16ft of bale twine from one bale.

 

[waterlooinspector]

Ok...I have finally caught up.

We had a power failure last night in Waterloo and I went to one of the local watering holes here in town that did have power. The "loose" talk here among local LE is that CC and MM in FL have been sexting each other.....rather vivid evidence caught on their cell phones.....lord knows CC had enough phones to set one aside for more mundane pleasures.

And who said teens were the only ones having fun sexting each other....

 

[who knew?]

Ok...I have finally caught up.

We had a power failure last night in Waterloo and I went to one of the local watering holes here in town that did have power. The "loose" talk here among local LE is that CC and MM in FL have been sexting each other.....rather vivid evidence caught on their cell phones.....lord knows CC had enough phones to set one aside for more mundane pleasures.

And who said teens were the only ones having fun sexting each other....

sex addiction????? I know we've discussed it before. Wonder if MM is the only one he was sexting with.... Yuck!

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Here is the picture of the open back of CC's SUV.

http://www.kmov.com/perl/common/slideshow/sspop.pl?recid=16216&nextimage=1

Thank you for posting the pictures, I hadn't noticed that the houses were kinda close together. Considering when the time actually did occur, it makes that someone did hear a scream when the crimes actually did occur. It also makes it very unlikely that if they would have occurred when CC says they did that screams would not have been heard, as people would have been awake to hear them.

 

[CHICANA]

there's only one reason I can think of....he's dumber than a post.

I think you're giving him too much credit.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Well, we did see an unconfirmed post ie rumor, :slap:, that he spent up to 2 1/2 to 3 hours staging the scene.

What a dufus.:bang: LE was onto him before he even managed to get taken away by ambulance. Just watch! Now he's gonna try and proclaim he got those scratches on his arm, that the SW indicates they had a SW to test by 11:59 a.m. the day of the murder! he got them rolling around the ground in agony.

I honestly do NOT think a jury is gonna buy it!:behindbar

JMHO
fran

He doesn't even have a prayer....

The unlucky souls that are on that jury are not going to just read the police report, they are going to see the crime scene, right? :shakehead: All the facts point to him as the murderer, and the horror points right to the death penalty.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I totally agree with that. See........IMHO, it wouldn't be uncommon for his dna to be underneath Sheri's nails. But blood????????? AND as for the boys,.......................NO, imho.

I guess it will boil down to the AMOUNT of his DNA/blood underneath their nails.

JMHO
fran

Member the reports that cc was making a big ta-doo about playing ball with the boys the day before they died, I wonder if he doing that to cover for any defensive wounds, DNA under their nails?

But considering its cc we're talking about, that is probably giving him way too much credit.:doh:

 

[fran]

He doesn't even have a prayer....

The unlucky souls that are on that jury are not going to just read the police report, they are going to see the crime scene, right? :shakehead: All the facts point to him as the murderer, and the horror points right to the death penalty.

I can say beyond a doubt, I would NOT want to be on that jury. I would NOT want to look at those crime scene photos, much less hear all of the graphic evidence that we know will most likely come out. I personally, couldn't handle it.

Having said that, I was in the courtroom during the closing statements of a high profile case, Avila......who kidnapped and murdered little Samantha Runion out of Orange County, Calif. The words themselves are powerful enough, but when they presented the crime scene photos of poor little Samantha, (they did NOT show them to the entire courtroom, thank goodness), there was a look of horror and disbelief on every juror's face.........

God protect those jurors, whoever they may be.

JMHO
fran

 

[DogWood]

Wow! I think I'm caught up now.

I did want to post this - I found it the other day and forgot to post it. Seems it was notarized...I'm still not sure about that siggy tho.

CASAREZ: To Nick Pistor, reporter, "St. Louis Post-Dispatch," I`ve read some things in regard to the deed of their home, that her name, the victim`s name may have been taken off in October.

NICK PISTOR, REPORTER, ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH, COVERING STORY: In November he took the name, her name off the deed to the house. She was removed.

CASAREZ: With her compliance? With her agreement to do that?

PISTOR: It appears that she signed and it was notarized. But our -- it`s possible that police are looking at that to see what that was all about. I had talked with her family to see if they knew anything about it, and they said they had no idea.

And I`ve talked to other people to ask hem why someone would agree to have their name taken off the house.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/15/ng.01.html

 

[panthera]

Good evening! :seeya: Nancy Grace is covering Sheri's murder.