Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt7

[SeriouslySearching]

Shower? Possible, but she would have been "wet or moist" from the shower leaving signs on the bedding (water stains). Her hair would have looked like it had been wet most likely.

Killed in another part of the house? Possible, but there should be signs she was moved on her body, the bed, and the actual crime scene, imo.

Sleeping in the nude? Some people do sleep in the raw, but something about Sheri doesn't strike me as the type when she has two boys of that age who could access her room. From everything we have learned, she led an exemplary life as a mother and to me, it would be out of character.

I just can't see her finding out about the affair earlier in the night, fighting with Chris on the level it would have been, and then just going to bed to be strangled near 3:00 am.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Then, perhaps, that camera caught CC leaving earlier and then coming back! And maybe he crept through that window, grabbing the twine on the way in and "acted out" as though he was an "unknown killer"!

It could explain the absence of signs of struggle (she ends it by telling him either he leaves, or she will leave w the boys); basket of laundry or appearance of possible packing; as well as fit w window of TOD. Due to TOD (determined to be btw 3 to 5 am) I have trouble w SC caught showering impromptu in the middle of the night(?) It seems more likely CC pretends to agree to leave the home, but returns to exact his revenge. Then again if there were injuries to SC there's always the chance the murder was perpetrated that night instead to prevent or silence her reporting that. :waitasec:

ETA "Dr. Michael Baden, the former New York City medical examiner, provided a second opinion regarding the time of death of the victims. He determined they were killed in a window between 3am and 5am, which would put Chris Coleman in the home at the time of death."

http://www.fox2now.com/ktvi-coleman-latest-052109,0,2437181.story

arrot:

 

[rollinon86]

Is the movie camera a "machine" - or is "machine" what he calls his "thing"?

UGH!!! Gross!!! :floorlaugh:

 

[Kimster]

Okay, there's something else to this puzzle and that is why did SC find out about this at 3AM? When my kids were little and had to go to school the next day, I wasn't up at 3AM! She must have found out earlier in the evening, IMO. And BECAUSE of this horrible revelation, was still awake at 3 AM!

 

[Kimster]

He may have removed her pajamas and staged it. He truly hated her and this would humiliate her even after death! He IS evil, after all!

 

[fmrchesterguy]

Now I am hearing that the interview with Mr Coleman lasted about 6 hours the day his family was murdered, with him being nude, and having every square inch of his body photographed and swabbed for about 3 of those hours.

His family seems to think that because his lawyer wasn't present, and he hadn't been mirandized prior to this initial questioning that the evidence gathered that day will be thrown out, and they will 'get him off on a technicality'.

Seems to me that innocent people don't normally hope to 'get off on a technicality'.

In any case, let's hope they are wrong.

Also, his brother in Arkansas claims to be Chris' alibi the night of the murders. It'll be interesting to learn how you can provide an alibi from 350 miles away...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The TOD is not concrete between 3:00am and 5:00am. Dr. Baden stated it was 3:00am or earlier , but not later than 5:00am. However, the screams were heard around 3:00am. This would be consistent within the period of the TOD.

Let's look at the evidence LE took from the home.

The financial paperwork.
The boarding passes for CC and JM.
The four tickets to Disney World.
The digital camera with "sample" film.

*I just realized I haven't seen that pdf file yet, but I have looked at most of the others now. Thanks again! Anyone have the link for that SW handy?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Now I am hearing that the interview with Mr Coleman lasted about 6 hours the day his family was murdered, with him being nude, and having every square inch of his body photographed and swabbed for about 3 of those hours.

His family seems to think that because his lawyer wasn't present, and he hadn't been mirandized prior to this initial questioning that the evidence gathered that day will be thrown out, and they will 'get him off on a technicality'.

Seems to me that innocent people don't normally hope to 'get off on a technicality'.

In any case, let's hope they are wrong.

It won't matter. They had a Search Warrant to check his body and also the ER would have records of injuries. The questioning for an extended period of time was justified unless he asked for an attorney during the course of things and they continued on. He was not being placed under arrest and there was no need to mirandize him until they slapped the cuffs on him. (I am not an attorney, but I play one in my head. LOL)

ETA: SAY WHAT?! KC is his alibi now?! So Chris claims he was home until he left for the gym at 5:43am, but now all of the sudden his brother who lives in Arkansas says he couldn't have been at home because he was with him?! WTH? It will be very interesting to hear this one.

 

[rockman]

Now I am hearing that the interview with Mr Coleman lasted about 6 hours the day his family was murdered, with him being nude, and having every square inch of his body photographed and swabbed for about 3 of those hours.

His family seems to think that because his lawyer wasn't present, and he hadn't been mirandized prior to this initial questioning that the evidence gathered that day will be thrown out, and they will 'get him off on a technicality'.

Seems to me that innocent people don't normally hope to 'get off on a technicality'.

In any case, let's hope they are wrong.

Also, his brother in Arkansas claims to be Chris' alibi the night of the murders. It'll be interesting to learn how you can provide an alibi from 350 miles away...

I seem to remember reading in a Post article or reading on the message board that the initial questioning / interview went on for approx. 6-8 hours. I have not heard any other details - mirandizing, etc.

 

[Kimster]

You'd think the Coleman family would be more interested in finding out WHO REALLY DUN IT rather than CC getting off on a technicality! Why aren't they looking for the "real" killer???????????

 

[Kimster]

SS, is this the SW you wanted?

http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2009/05/29/15/ColemanDocument.source.prod_affiliate.98.pdf

 

[kiki the parrot]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...CFC29B1B960B209F862575C3000B29DA?OpenDocument

SW's all listed here I believe.
arrot:

 

[Kimster]

Fmrchesterguy, I just read your last sentence! GIVE ME A BREAK! His brother in ARKANSAS is giving him an alibi? WHAT? Was he spending the night or something?

This truly stinketh!

 

[rockman]

OK...but here is where I am having a problem with this scenario:

Sheri was found in the bed naked and face down. The boys were both found in their beds.

How do we get from what must have been a horrendous fight with Chris if she found out about Tara to her being naked and in bed?! Trust me, there is no way she would have been sleeping that night if she had just received the news her best friend was bopping her husband and was going to marry her! No way. There is also no way she was going to sleep in that bed again either. Everything about Chris would have turned her stomach including their bed, imo.

There was no sign of violence or a struggle in the house according to Carey who went in with Mario and Enrico. Of course, we don't know what the house looked like prior to his family going in to grab things.

It just doesn't add up to me that Sheri found out that night.

I have a problem with this too. According to one of the search warrants with the officer's narrative.....

A white female was found lying on her stomach on the bed in the master bedroom.

(SNIP)

A young boy later identified to be Garrett Coleman was found lying in the rear upstairs bedroom.

What bothers me is was "the rear upstairs bedroom" and the master bedroom one in the same? When they mention Gavin Coleman, they clearly state he was found lying in his bed. So for 2 out of the 3 victims they say they were on the bed or in bed. But, for Garrett, he was lying in the rear upstairs bedroom. This makes me think he was not on his bed and he may not have been in his room.

What do you all think?

 

[pres101]

OK...but here is where I am having a problem with this scenario:

Sheri was found in the bed naked and face down. The boys were both found in their beds.

How do we get from what must have been a horrendous fight with Chris if she found out about Tara to her being naked and in bed?! Trust me, there is no way she would have been sleeping that night if she had just received the news her best friend was bopping her husband and was going to marry her! No way. There is also no way she was going to sleep in that bed again either. Everything about Chris would have turned her stomach including their bed, imo.

There was no sign of violence or a struggle in the house according to Carey who went in with Mario and Enrico. Of course, we don't know what the house looked like prior to his family going in to grab things.

It just doesn't add up to me that Sheri found out that night.

Sounds to me like CC coaxed SC into a lovemaking mood to get her in position.

 

[rockman]

ETA: SAY WHAT?! KC is his alibi now?! So Chris claims he was home until he left for the gym at 5:43am, but now all of the sudden his brother who lives in Arkansas says he couldn't have been at home because he was with him?! WTH? It will be very interesting to hear this one.

WTF!!!???? Where did you read/hear this from?

 

[cleo612]

Now I am hearing that the interview with Mr Coleman lasted about 6 hours the day his family was murdered, with him being nude, and having every square inch of his body photographed and swabbed for about 3 of those hours.

His family seems to think that because his lawyer wasn't present, and he hadn't been mirandized prior to this initial questioning that the evidence gathered that day will be thrown out, and they will 'get him off on a technicality'.

Seems to me that innocent people don't normally hope to 'get off on a technicality'.

In any case, let's hope they are wrong.

Also, his brother in Arkansas claims to be Chris' alibi the night of the murders. It'll be interesting to learn how you can provide an alibi from 350 miles away...

Bolded by me...

That would mean that the wife of the brother in Arkansas would have to confirm that alibi. I realize that wives sometimes do and will lie for a spouse, but I think that law enforcement would be able to debunk any attempt at corroboration. If the brother and his wife's stories are almost word for word identical, it would be easy to show that it was something trumped up.

A good law enforcement interrogator would be sure to point out to both the brother and his wife that providing a false alibi could, and likely would, lead to charges of being accessories after the fact to the murders of a young mother and her two little boys.

 

[JBean]

Please don't carry posts from other places and particularly don't bring screen shots of them. thanks.

Just link them.

 

[Kimster]

Link please!

 

[fmrchesterguy]

Please don't carry posts from other places and particularly don't bring screen shots of them. thanks.

Just link them.

Link to a private facebook page, good luck. I was simply showing CC's brother KC claiming to be his alibi. Something very on topic, and of interest to people here. And something they can't see otherwise as they probably do not have access to this person's FB profile...