Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt8

[Stella5]

What can we expect to learn from the preliminary hearing. Will we see a lot more information released? Does the criminal case outcome effect the civil trial or vice versa?

The SA / Prosecutor has to prove he has enough evidence against CC to take this to trial. We may learn exact TOD, autopsy results, forensics on the "threatening letters", whats on the DVR/Video, more info on MM. In this case there is a plethora of things we may learn; then again we may not.

The Criminal Case takes presidence over the civil case. The good news is everything is frozen so the Colemans can't do carp about getting rid of anything else that was Sheris & the Boys.

 

[Kimster]

I thought there was an earlier threat not mentioned in those particular documents? Did I dream that?!

No, there's been a lot of "unofficial" reporting in that regard.

 

[Stella5]

No, there's been a lot of "unofficial" reporting in that regard.

Yep! If there was one received, CC never reported it to Columbia LE. The only two Columbia LE did reports on were the one in January & the one in April.

 

[Melly53]

I thought there was an earlier threat not mentioned in those particular documents? Did I dream that?!

If you dreamed it, then we both did. I believe that an earlier threat received by email was mentioned in the last search warrants that were released regarding the internet information that LE was seeking. I believe the article said that one was received in November IIRC.

 

[Knox]

Thanks Stella5, this case has more than a few possiblities as far as the theories go, as we have discussed. Looking forward to getting some answers.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What can we expect to learn from the preliminary hearing. Will we see a lot more information released? Does the criminal case outcome effect the civil trial or vice versa?

Yes! The Preliminary Hearing is where the SA's Office has to prove to the Judge there is enough evidence against Chris to hold him over for a trial. They will present the most damning pieces of evidence, but only enough to convince the Judge. We won't see nearly the full scope of their case, but it will be most interesting.

The civil case normally waits until the criminal case is over, but it doesn't appear this time they are going to wait with good reason. Anything they uncover, the SA's Office can use in the criminal case against Chris. Chris will be the only one who can plead the Fifth and everyone else surrounding him will be forced to testify. There is much less burden put on the the Plaintiffs to prove the wrongful death and negligence case than with the Murder case. The outcome will have no effect on the Murder trial.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hahahaha~

"Yup...that is the little ninja dude that did it, Your Honor!!", says CC pointing at Kimster's post.

 

[Knox]

Trying to remember what the civil case required from RC? Did they request primarily financial info? I took that to mean they suspected monies/property would be transferred into their name so CC could hide assets.

 

[impatientredhead]

In IL the house would be marital property and divided in a divorce whether Sheri's name was on the deed or not. The only benefit to having Sheri's name removed would come into play upon her death, especially if boys were dead as well. If Sheri's name were on the deed it would be possible for her immediate family to claim part of the house in probate court. The same applies to the vehicles.

CC intended to end the marriage but not by divorce. It appears that he underestimated MCS and Sheri's family. I would bet that a wrongful death suit never entered his mind.

CC didn't think he would be caught.
His biggest mistake was vastly overestimating his own intelligence.

 

[pres101]

I thought there was an earlier threat not mentioned in those particular documents? Did I dream that?!

You have me thinking now but I am pretty sure that the first threat was January 1, 2009.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yep! If there was one received, CC never reported it to Columbia LE. The only two Columbia LE did reports on were the one in January & the one in April.

Right! There were possible threats left on Sheri's myspace site, too. We don't know the dates or the content of those yet either.

So the one possibly in November which was mentioned was never turned into LE. Makes sense now. Thanks, Melly and Stella~

 

[SeriouslySearching]

CC didn't think he would be caught.
His biggest mistake was vastly overestimating his own intelligence.

You are 100% correct on both counts.

 

[Lovejac]

CC didn't think he would be caught.
His biggest mistake was vastly overestimating his own intelligence.

LOL! Or lack thereof!

 

[fran]

The financial angle of this case has been nagging at me since the beginning.
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If you think about the environment that the Colemans were operating in, specifically JMM, it's no surprise that they would think that they need the best of everything, even if they couldn't pay for it outright.

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, etc.

quote snipped to save cyber space.......

escamoles

I totally agree with you "If you think about the environment that the Colemans were operating in, specifically JMM, it's no surprise that they would think that they need the best of everything, even if they couldn't pay for it outright."

That's EXACTLY the conclusion I finally came up with. He wanted everything - everyone else appeared to have, but he wanted it NOW!

I hate throwing out these labels, but I'm going to put this in here because it seems like it fits, but I could be wrong. "Sociopath."

He wants it. He wants it for himself. He'll do anything to get it. He doesn't know how to act, so he copies everyone else.

One bros is in LE (of sorts)........check, security guard.
One bros is in finance...............check, financial classes.
One bros took EVERYTHING from the marriage,............check, that was being handled with the refi and the 'title,' and we already know he had BOTH cars registered in HIS NAME ONLY...........(typical)
One bros took up with another woman.........check, TL, these guys need constant stroking of their ego......whether he would remain with TL would be only a matter of time that could have answered that. But IF he had, she MAY HAVE been his next,................obstacle.

MAYBE, CC's plan got side-tracked by his wife catching onto his scheme and wasn't going to take it like his bros' wife and CC lost his temper and..........

BUT, then there's the alleged threats.............

MAYBE CC's ORIGINAL plan was to take everything, Sheri wasn't going to stand for it and THEN he started the threats as part of his ALTERNATIVE to divorce with everything from the marriage.

1. Financial planning classes
2. Refi the house
3. Cash out of the house (ie HE had the check book with the equity line in his possession)
4. Run up credit cards in wife's name.
5. Get g/f
6. Begin threats (poor B movie plot, but no one said he was 'smart.')
7. Eliminate obstacles.
8. Play the distraught, lone survivor of a 'mysterious, mad fanatic' wronged by JMM..........THUS,..................pointing LE in an investigation aimed away from himself.

See, I'm thinking the FINANCIAL MOTIVE because of the ORDER of things. It has to make sense. At least as much sense as you can delve from something so sinister.

Interesting,
JMHO
fran

 

[TallCoolOne]

I honestly don't see what all the hub-bub is about the deer. It had already been shot with an arrow and according to someone, they didn't bring a knife. Maybe it wasn't "politically correct" but it was an isolated incident and in no way tied to the Coleman deaths.

To me ... it's much ado about nada .... disclaimer ..I love animals ... and don't advocate any type of cruelty but it just seems they were in an awkward position and didn't have the knife to "finish it off"

Imaginations working overtime.....

NO it isn't. If you are going to hunt any type of animal for the meat, you have to bleed it out right away or else the blood will coagulate in the meat and render the meat useless. Whether hunting with a gun or bow and arrow, that's the way it is, PERIOD.

So, they were either out killing deer just for the heck of it with no intention of field dressing it, which is killing for the thrill or they had a knife on them but decided to strangle it to death just for jollies and capture the joyous occasion on film.

YOU may not see the reason so many see this as contemptible, but either way it is. So to you it may be much ado about nada, imaginations working overtime, etc. but to those of us who know better, it's much more than that. What kind of a hunter doesn't carry a knife?

 

[fran]

Thank you to all who answered my question yesterday about the POSSIBILITY of JMM and Grace Church being connected.

I guess eventhough there's theological differences, Grace Church has a link on their site to JMM because they're good Christians and NOT because there's any formal connection between the two.

With that in mind, it must be because JMM is so philanthropical, is why there's the {rumor} that they gave Grace Church $100K to pay off their mortgage.

All righty then....................

I do know that we were also informed by a poster a while back, that JM's income is mostly made up of monies from her many book sales. I agree.............somewhat. But it wasn't always that way. A few years ago, from what I've read, she was paid $900K @ year, PLUS her house, her cars, her upkeep on the house, etc., etc., etc., AND all profits for her books were donated or folded into the ministry. HOWEVER, after a few years of that it was learned, or they were told or whatever, that was too much salary to withdraw. So now, I believe, or as of a few years back, she lowered her salary to $250K a year and now takes a portion of the profit of the sales of her publications or books or whatever. Of course this doesn't count the salary her hubby takes or the houses for her children and their salary they take or the house and expenses and vehicles and jet rides and.....................

Ok, I said I wouldn't further discuss JMM's finances, but,..........I just wanted to set the record straight that NOT ALL is as it seems, or there's two ways to skin a cat,..........................

or per my just previous post............CC was being exposed to some high flying living, IMHO, and PERHAPS he wanted his little piece of the action and found a DIFFERENT way to get it! :furious:

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

NO it isn't. If you are going to hunt any type of animal for the meat, you have to bleed it out right away or else the blood will coagulate in the meat and render the meat useless. Whether hunting with a gun or bow and arrow, that's the way it is, PERIOD.

So, they were either out killing deer just for the heck of it with no intention of field dressing it, which is killing for the thrill or they had a knife on them but decided to strangle it to death just for jollies and capture the joyous occasion on film.

YOU may not see the reason so many see this as contemptible, but either way it is. So to you it may be much ado about nada, imaginations working overtime, etc. but to those of us who know better, it's much more than that. What kind of a hunter doesn't carry a knife?

ITA, PLUS, to me,.............it's the FACT they not only caught it on film, but put it on the internet.

What kind of person does that?

ehhhh..........there musta' been sumpin' wrong with it or they wouldn't have taken it offline.

JMHO
fran

 

[TallCoolOne]

ITA, PLUS, to me,.............it's the FACT they not only caught it on film, but put it on the internet.

What kind of person does that?

ehhhh..........there musta' been sumpin' wrong with it or they wouldn't have taken it offline.

JMHO
fran

Yuppers, I hadn't thought about that Fran, but right you are. If there was nothing to it, if it were much ado about nada and overactive imaginations I reckon' it would still be up for viewing, don't cha think?

Funny that, eh? NOT normal behaviour in the least.

But I guess we should ignore the man behind the curtain...............

 

[escamoles]

ITA, PLUS, to me,.............it's the FACT they not only caught it on film, but put it on the internet.

What kind of person does that?

ehhhh..........there musta' been sumpin' wrong with it or they wouldn't have taken it offline.

What I still can't figure out about the deer strangling video is that it was on youtube under SC's account (littlesheric). Why in the world would she put that on youtube?

Does it seem odd to anyone else? Maybe this has been discussed at length in a prior thread -- if so, I apologize in advance.

The fact that the video was yanked after word started getting out about it (and SC was dead) means that CC probably had access to her account, which isn't surprising, given SC's Facebook situation.

 

[fran]

What I still can't figure out about the deer strangling video is that it was on youtube under SC's account (littlesheric). Why in the world would she put that on youtube?

Does it seem odd to anyone else? Maybe this has been discussed at length in a prior thread -- if so, I apologize in advance.

The fact that the video was yanked after word started getting out about it (and SC was dead) means that CC probably had access to her account, which isn't surprising, given SC's Facebook situation.

I've thought about this too escamoles. I, like you, don't believe it was Sheri who put it online. This seems totally out of charactor, from what we've been told about Sheri.

IMHO, it seems more of a 'guy thing.'

JMHO
fran