SIDEBAR #18- Arias/Alexander forum

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh she got a lawyer the day she pulled out who helped her get out of it .. JSS got that lawyer for her .. Yes am supportive of her, I just wanted the other side of the story to be heard to

 

[MeeBee]

Oh she got a lawyer the day she pulled out who helped her get out of it .. JSS got that lawyer for her .. Yes am supportive of her, I just wanted the other side of the story to be heard to

That is great. There were things I didn't realize. I just think that she didn't really have a problem with the lying. It was the exposure for welfare fraud and, for the defense, her issues with the law and with drugs that got her to pull out.

I think this defense is scum, though. They are trying to use victimization and the blame game to cover up the fact that they were going to have her lie. I can't even...

 

[MeeBee]

Oh, also, for spreading the idea that Travis' murder must have been his fault and that Jodi just reacted to whatever he did to her. Ugh.

The girl's got issues. I don't believe everything she is saying.

 

[geevee]

I admit, I didn't see her flipping off Juan I only heard about it. I did see her sitting and laughing with the family during Juan's emotional opening statements.

I guess you are fully in this witness's corner. That's ok. I realize she is not the one who murdered Travis or who is on trial. I don't hate her.

But the idea that she's a hero for pulling out is kind of silly to me. Her "adivising counsel" was the one that was going to suborn perjury for her and they are the ones that told her to pull out. So I doubt it's because they didn't want her to get in trouble. They just realized that she wasn't going to work for them. She was going to testify. I saw her in court. She looked relaxed and didn't seem scared or nervous.

Now, if she has come to the realization that Jodi is a monster, that Travis is not a bad guy, that Jodi's defense was going to use her to play tricky with her, and that she's changed her tune, that is totally great. But it really pissed me off when she was talking about a relationship she had no idea about and spreading the idea that Jodi was totally normal until she met him, implying that Travis must have changed her for the crazier.
ETA: just saw the video. She was clearly high and nodding off. So yea, guess that wasn't her fault.

That's basically the same thing DB said in the interview he gave that same evening, she was all wonderful, hardworking, responsible and caring until she got involved with PPL and then she changed.

I do not think the defense intended to "suborn perjury" from any witness, I do think they thought it might be beneficial if Patti and DB said about the same thing, that PPL and Travis changed her for the worse. Whether or not they decided only one testifying to that wasn't enough so didn't even have DB, I don't know.

But if the DT knew any witness was going to intentionally lie they would have to pull that witness or they (the lawyers) would face troubles themselves, they cannot conspire with witnesses who they know will not be honest on the stand.

 

[MeeBee]

That's basically the same thing DB said in the interview he gave that same evening, she was all wonderful, hardworking, responsible and caring until she got involved with PPL and then she changed.

I do not think the defense intended to "suborn perjury" from any witness, I do think they thought it might be beneficial if Patti and DB said about the same thing, that PPL and Travis changed her for the worse. Whether or not they decided only one testifying to that wasn't enough so didn't even have DB, I don't know.

But if the DT knew any witness was going to intentionally lie they would have to pull that witness or they (the lawyers) would face troubles themselves, they cannot conspire with witnesses who they know will not be honest on the stand.

I realize that. But being that they pretty much pulled a lie out of Jodi so they could acutally defend her, I wouldn't put it past them. Also, I am just going on what Mrs. G is saying that Patti said. That it was Nurmi's idea and Nurmi who wanted her to lie and say that Jodi was abused. If true, that is suborning perjury. Patti could also be lying. I don't believe for one second that she never supported Jodi, though. She was on her side in court. She was all over the media singing her praises (high).

I am guessing the DT saw her, thought that Jodi had an ally, and subpoenad her for mitigation purposes. Patti was into it, realized she was going to be torn apart by Juan, and came up with an excuse for why she didn't want to be on the stand, the defense team granted her wishes, let the judge know, the judge let her out of it. And that is why Nurmi got all pissy and started blaming the media and death threats. That's not it. She was there and ready to go. Whatever got her to pull out has NOTHING to do with threats.

 

[LambChop]

That's basically the same thing DB said in the interview he gave that same evening, she was all wonderful, hardworking, responsible and caring until she got involved with PPL and then she changed.

I do not think the defense intended to "suborn perjury" from any witness, I do think they thought it might be beneficial if Patti and DB said about the same thing, that PPL and Travis changed her for the worse. Whether or not they decided only one testifying to that wasn't enough so didn't even have DB, I don't know.

But if the DT knew any witness was going to intentionally lie they would have to pull that witness or they (the lawyers) would face troubles themselves, they cannot conspire with witnesses who they know will not be honest on the stand.

DB forgot to mention one minor detail. They had purchased a home together with a steep mortgage that required Jodi to hold down two jobs. DB's ex has moved back to Monterey and DB wanted to relocate because of his son. This could be the real reason Jodi changed. Maybe in Jodi's mind she was just tired of working and playing second fiddle to DB's son who was his first priority and respectfully so. Jodi may have seen PPL and the Mormon church as a way out. jmo

 

[geevee]

DB forgot to mention one minor detail. They had purchased a home together with a steep mortgage that required Jodi to hold down two jobs. DB's ex has moved back to Monterey and DB wanted to relocate because of his son. This could be the real reason Jodi changed. Maybe in Jodi's mind she was just tired of working and playing second fiddle to DB's son who was his first priority and respectfully so. Jodi may have seen PPL and the Mormon church as a way out. jmo

Yes, I can agree with that too. She had to have felt that their stability was at the mercy of his ex-wife, and would be for a long time to come, she may have welcomed the young Mormon men and PPL as diversion and then, as you say, a way out. It didn't take her long before she cut off relations and moved into a separate bedroom, that alone should have given him the biggest clue it was over.

And according to one of his interviews, wasn't she the only one with money in the bank when they bought the house? He didn't even get a job until 2 months or so after they bought it.

 

[Mollyandme]

Sigh I am at the hospital and so far the diagnosis is I have fractures.....yes plural sighhhh

Only me

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oh gosh, i'm so sorry Josie! i hope you are feeling better soon and i'm glad you got to the hospital, the one silver lining is now you have a good excuse to watch trials and post on here for awhile tho since i imagine you need to keep off your feet as much as possible

 

[Tuba]

From a CNN transcript of the evening of June 13, 2013, the words of Patricia Womack: "At the beginning when everything started, you know, I was confused & didn't know what to believe, as a lot of people out there. As soon as I found out that, you know, she really did take somebody's--take Travis's life, I just--my heart was broken for Jodi's family and Travis's family. It is a horrible thing. I do not condone it. I do not support what she did. And I do not support Jodi." I like to keep this summation of her growing awareness of the ugly truth, in mind when listening to and reading Nurmi's accusations.

 

[josie1986]

oh gosh, i'm so sorry Josie! i hope you are feeling better soon and i'm glad you got to the hospital, the one silver lining is now you have a good excuse to watch trials and post on here for awhile tho since i imagine you need to keep off your feet as much as possible

I know right I get an excuse to lie in bed when the kids aren't here

This is what I'm stuck with for at least a month....



Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

 

[geevee]

I know right I get an excuse to lie in bed when the kids aren't here

This is what I'm stuck with for at least a month....



Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

Oww!!

 

[LambChop]

I know right I get an excuse to lie in bed when the kids aren't here

This is what I'm stuck with for at least a month....



Sent from my 'alternate reality' using my hippocampus

Yikes!!!!!!

 

[Cherry]

Ouch pls feel better soon. What a PITA yes? I wish I knew for sure whether or not this will be televised or live feed on Monday. I'd like to make plans and need to know. What is all the secrecy about any way on finding the live feeds? I love WAT; it's working really well on finding new trials and feeds that are like needles in haystacks. The veiwership is really there, the fan base is most def. there, now it just needs to be reined in; nationally..where people can REALLY see whats happening in their judicial system; high profile OR NOT.

 

[LambChop]

Ouch pls feel better soon. What a PITA yes? I wish I knew for sure whether or not this will be televised or live feed on Monday. I'd like to make plans and need to know. What is all the secrecy about any way on finding the live feeds? I love WAT; it's working really well on finding new trials and feeds that are like needles in haystacks. The veiwership is really there, the fan base is most def. there, now it just needs to be reined in; nationally..where people can REALLY see whats happening in their judicial system; high profile OR NOT.

Not sure they will bother for such a short hearing. Unless they have more issues to discuss other than setting a trial date they may decided not to have the camera. What a disappointment for Jodi. Seems her importance is dropping. lol

 

[Zuri]

Not sure they will bother for such a short hearing. Unless they have more issues to discuss other than setting a trial date they may decided not to have the camera. What a disappointment for Jodi. Seems her importance is dropping. lol

Your lips to God's ears. She is not relevant. Just another in the sewer of life. She needs to go away and never be spoken of again. I really hope the Court will have their act together and stop the nonsense. JMO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

From a CNN transcript of the evening of June 13, 2013, the words of Patricia Womack: "At the beginning when everything started, you know, I was confused & didn't know what to believe, as a lot of people out there. As soon as I found out that, you know, she really did take somebody's--take Travis's life, I just--my heart was broken for Jodi's family and Travis's family. It is a horrible thing. I do not condone it. I do not support what she did. And I do not support Jodi." I like to keep this summation of her growing awareness of the ugly truth, in mind when listening to and reading Nurmi's accusations.

Thanks you Tuba ... the thanks button wasn't enough :blowkiss:

 

[Tuba]

You are very welcome.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

That's basically the same thing DB said in the interview he gave that same evening, she was all wonderful, hardworking, responsible and caring until she got involved with PPL and then she changed.

I do not think the defense intended to "suborn perjury" from any witness, I do think they thought it might be beneficial if Patti and DB said about the same thing, that PPL and Travis changed her for the worse. Whether or not they decided only one testifying to that wasn't enough so didn't even have DB, I don't know.

But if the DT knew any witness was going to intentionally lie they would have to pull that witness or they (the lawyers) would face troubles themselves, they cannot conspire with witnesses who they know will not be honest on the stand.

I actually think we have seen a few occasions where the DT knew a witness was going to intentionally lie, and embellish the truth in favour of their client, I mean Jodi for one, she got up on that stand and lied like a demon .. it was patently obvious, it was also obvious that Nurmi was coaching her during cross.

People lie on the stand every day, if the judges threw everyone in jail who committed perjury there'd be no room down there for the real criminals.

I believe some of the lies were Nurmi's suggestion. I also think he has been instrumental in bringing about certain situations, just so he can complain about it later in a motion and put it on the record for whoever appeals this case for Jodi.

 

[LambChop]

I actually think we have seen a few occasions where the DT knew a witness was going to intentionally lie, and embellish the truth in favour of their client, I mean Jodi for one, she got up on that stand and lied like a demon .. it was patently obvious, it was also obvious that Nurmi was coaching her during cross.

People lie on the stand every day, if the judges threw everyone in jail who committed perjury there'd be no room down there for the real criminals.

I believe some of the lies were Nurmi's suggestion. I also think he has been instrumental in bringing about certain situations, just so he can complain about it later in a motion and put it on the record for whoever appeals this case for Jodi.

So tell me, "How did that make you feel????" :floorlaugh:

Seriously I think you are right.

 

[MeeBee]

I actually think we have seen a few occasions where the DT knew a witness was going to intentionally lie, and embellish the truth in favour of their client, I mean Jodi for one, she got up on that stand and lied like a demon .. it was patently obvious, it was also obvious that Nurmi was coaching her during cross.

People lie on the stand every day, if the judges threw everyone in jail who committed perjury there'd be no room down there for the real criminals.

I believe some of the lies were Nurmi's suggestion. I also think he has been instrumental in bringing about certain situations, just so he can complain about it later in a motion and put it on the record for whoever appeals this case for Jodi.

On the stand Dr. Samuels said that he and Nurmi approached Jodi when they realized her story was BS and that she must be hiding something. Translation: she needed to come up with a better lie. Here's how I imagine that going:

"Jodi, nobody believes you. Something else must have happened that day. Did Travis attack or provoke you in some way?"

"Why yes, yes he did. In fact..."

"And was this the first time Travis ever tried to physically hurt you?"

"Well, no. Travis was in fact quite abusive..."

"And Travis doesn't really have a history of abuse. There must be something or a reason that Travis hit you and no one else. Something that made your relationship different."

And thus, the bad Mormon-pedophile meme was born. Curious how much the sex offender lawyer was involved in turning this into such a salacious case. And Jodi thinking, "I knew those recordings would come in handy..."

I seriously do not doubt Nurmi suborned perjury by coaxing a lie out of Jodi. And she's so damn good at lying she ran with it. If Jodi's story was BS, even if he knew this, his job was to defend that story to the best of his abilities. The fact that Samuels said that is huge to me. It basically points to him getting another story that he knew would be a lie out of Jodi. He suborned perjury.