SIDEBAR #26- Arias/Alexander forum

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Seriously, YorN...I knocked down a wasp nest late last summer. It was way smaller than yours but was right above my door and always had wasps crawling all over it. They sometimes got in the house and my cat would go crazy trying to get them. I didn't want him to get stung. Or me, for that matter.

So one day I knocked the nest down with a plastic leaf rake. And quickly dashed into the house.

Your nest is bigger and that might make a difference, but the one I had came down really easy. No fuss, no muss, I was inside before a wasp knew what happened.
 
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OH....I think Autumn is in labor. Her stance just a minute ago...I thought that was it. But now her tail is down again. It will be soon though, IMO.
 
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Thought this was an interesting article on women and the DP:


"...Women guilty of capital murder were far less likely than men to be sentenced to death,
and defendants who killed women were far more likely to be sentenced to death than
defendants who killed men. We argue that all of these findings are consistent
with chivalric norms, and we conclude that, in prosecutors’ decisions to seek
death and juries’ decisions to impose it, chivalry appears to be alive and well...

...2. Gender and the Death Penalty

The chivalry hypothesis suggests that female defendants would be favored
by the criminal justice system and that they would be convicted of lesser crimes
or receive lesser sentences than similarly situated men. Recent studies have shown that at all stages of the criminal judicial process female defendants are
treated more leniently than males145 and that in homicide cases male offenders
generally receive longer sentences than female offenders.146 An earlier study
concluded: “A review of the post-1975 literature suggests that the chivalry
hypothesis is now wholly accepted.”147

Studies of gender and the death penalty have, for the most part, focused on
the gender of the defendant and have consistently found that women are
sentenced to death and executed at significantly lower rates than men
.148 A study
of the death penalty applied to women from 1973-2005 found that at every stage
of the process female defendants appear to be diverted away from the death
penalty at a greater rate than men While 10% of people arrested for murder are
women, only 2% of death sentences imposed at trial are imposed upon
women,149 and women account for only 1.1% of persons actually executed.150
Men arrested for murder are six times more likely to be sentenced to death than
are women arrested for murder.151 Many scholars have posited that the reason for
this discrepancy is chivalric beliefs.1522 The theory, affirmed by studies of
attitudes toward female offenders,153 argues that women “are stereotyped as
weak and passive, creating and continuing men’s protective attitude toward
women.”154That any women at all are executed is explained by the fact that
those women did not fit the stereotypical feminine role feminine role because they were
women of color or lesbians or had in some way rejected the prescribed wife-and-mother
role.155

Dissenting from the conclusion that chivalry explains the scarcity of women sentenced to death,
Elizabeth Rapaport is one of the few researchers to
argue in favor of other explanatory factors.156 While acknowledging that “[t]here
are deep cultural inhibitions against the deliberate killing of women”157 and that
male murderers are substantially more likely to receive a death sentence than
female murderers,158 she has argued that “[t]he fundamental reason why so few
women murderers are death sentenced is that women rarely commit the kinds of
murders that are subject to capital punishment,” particularly felony-murders.159
Rather, she argues that when women murder, they overwhelmingly murder
family members, and domestic murder is rarely treated as seriously by the
criminal justice system as stranger murder.160 As discussed in Part IV, the
empirical data from California calls into question these broad assertions.161..."


http://genderlawjustice.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Chivalry-is-Not-Dead.pdf


And this one:


EXECUTIONS OF FEMALE OFFENDERS

"...(1) Actual execution of female offenders is quite rare, with only 569 documented instances in
the 378 years from 1632 through late-2010....

Of the 167 death sentences imposed since 1973, only fifty-five women remained under
sentences of death in eighteen states and under federal jurisdiction as of late 2010....

(2) These fifty-five women comprise only 1.7% of the approximately 3,261 persons currently
on death row.
(3) One-quarter (14/55) of these fifty-five death-sentenced women killed their husbands or
boyfriends; and another one-fifth (11/55) killed their children. One other woman killed
both her husband and her children, and three other women killed a young niece, nephew,
or child in their care.
(4) The present ages of these fifty-five female offenders range from 27 to 77 years old, and
they have been on death row from less than one year to almost twenty-five years....

ARIZONA
(last execution of female by Arizona on 2-21-1930)
(2 female offenders now on Arizona’s death row)

Andriano, Wendi: White; age 30 at crime and now age 40 (DOB: 8-6-1970); murder of Latin (?)
male age 33 (her husband) in Mesa on 10-8-2000; sentenced on 12-22-2004.

Milke, Debra Jean: White; age 25 at crime and now age 46 (DOB: 3-10-1964); murder of white
male age 4 (her son) in Maricopa County on 12-2-1989; sentenced on 1-18-1991.


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/femaledeathrow.pdf
 
  • #1,044
Seriously, YorN...I knocked down a wasp nest late last summer. It was way smaller than yours but was right above my door and always had wasps crawling all over it. They sometimes got in the house and my cat would go crazy trying to get them. I didn't want him to get stung. Or me, for that matter.

So one day I knocked the nest down with a plastic leaf rake. And quickly dashed into the house.

Your nest is bigger and that might make a difference, but the one I had came down really easy. No fuss, no muss, I was inside before a wasp knew what happened.


It's really big and I'm :scared::scared:

My son doesn't want to get next to it since he knows what a wasp sting feels like. :scared:

Off to Walmart tomorrow to get that spray 'cause we're chickens. :shame: :hills:
 
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Welcome aboard, Steely!
 
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Well that was fun just as I thought this is it for Autumn my laptop shut down and restarted for an update.. Glad I didn't miss the big moment. and I see bulge under her tail again
 
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Did she just pee or was that her water breaking?

She does look a little swollen back there, but what do I know about giraffes. :floorlaugh:
 
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Where are the giraffe midwives here. :scared::scared:
 
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Is there a closed hearing on the 20th for JA? I took a look at the docket to see if anything new had been posted and down on the bottom is this:

8/20/2014 8:30 Evidentiary Hearing
8/22/2014 13:30 Evidentiary Hearing
9/8/2014 8:30 Trial

The High Profile List still has the hearing on the 22nd listed, just wondered where the 20th came from.

Oh, and now it's listed as "Per, Pro" on the Attorney line (at least Nurmi got removed in that small regard. lol).
 
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you can see her sides heaving
 
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Is there a closed hearing on the 20th for JA? I took a look at the docket to see if anything new had been posted and down on the bottom is this:

8/20/2014 8:30 Evidentiary Hearing
8/22/2014 13:30 Evidentiary Hearing
9/8/2014 8:30 Trial

The High Profile List still has the hearing on the 22nd listed, just wondered where the 20th came from.

Oh, and now it's listed as "Per, Pro" on the Attorney line (at least Nurmi got removed in that small regard. lol).

Evening geevee :seeya:

"...IT IS ORDERED setting Evidentiary Hearing on Defendant’s Motion to Continue Trial
on 8/22/14 at 1:30 p.m. in this division...."

http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/082014/m6437638.pdf

Don't remember hearing for the 20th.
 
  • #1,052
daddy giraffe came to look and smell.

What a nice giraffe husband.
 
  • #1,053
But think of how the courts would be freed up and so would our tax dollars if when we KNOW some 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, as you call them, is really guilty and they are just sentenced. I do NOT believe a person who slaughtered one of our friends, neighbors, family members, and admits it, should get any counsel at all. Except GO TO JAIL. This is who we are taking about when discussing JA. And no she shouldn't be allowed appeals. She is making a mockery out of our system. JMO.

I truly understand what you are trying to say, but the US Constitution must pertain to EVERYone or it is invalid for EVERYone. We can't have lynch mobs. Due process is absolutely vital.

I agree Jodi Arias must never be allowed to see the light of day outside a prison cell. She's a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 vicious torturous murderer. I just don't believe we can only apply the US Constitution as we deem. It MUST apply to EVERYone.

A passion of mine.
 
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KCL, your impact statement was powerful. I thought it was a lovely gesture that you shared it with the Alexander family IIRC. They are incredibly difficult to write. With my brother's shooter, we did not have the opportunity to address the court as he pled out to LWOP.

In 1993, my mother and I wrote what would be considered a victim impact statement that was read on the floor of the US Senate by then Senator Biden. It was entered into the Congressional Record. Senator Biden had authored the Biden Crime Bill which in part, gave more rights to victims.

BBM

Cool! As long as there is a USA you'll be immortalized. Very cool!

Hi KCL, thanks for your good thoughts. I am going to be positive and trust in the Lord. Looking next week for my care package. :) Glad to see you are here. Hope you will peek in during trial. And I hope the trial goes in a hurry cause that girl has some serious reality to face up to.

Hey, I am sorry about the way the defense and the judge and courts treated you and your family. That is a shame. And for some reason, they always get by with it in the name of justice. Glad to see what you said about Nurmi. When he became a part of trashing Travis, I was done.

Whatever it is you're suffering from keeping positive isn't good enough. Laughing your :butthead: off is. When I was going through cancer treatments ten years ago I laughed a lot. Comedy = Tragedy + Time. My timeline from Tragedy to funny was about five minutes. I'm more of a smart :butthead: than most people so joking about it was fun. Cancer cells hate being laughed at so much that they'll leave in a huff. Mine have been gone for ten years. I must have really embarrassed them because they haven't been back since then.

It makes me so sad and frustrated that a woman like Arias who has been CONVICTED of slaughtering a man and has shown no remorse whatsoever keeps managing to escape the death penalty (with some even feeling she doesn't deserve such a harsh punishment) while young men who potentially have bright futures ahead but get into some small trouble (relatively speaking) end up being shot to death. Just contemplating on fate and such...

Too true. If JA doesn't get the death penalty at least her trial should be very entertaining. Especially if she tries to represent herself.

I'm wondering whether the killer plans to cite emotional frailty, although to me it is no mitigator. She has referred to it a couple of times in her complaints.

Emotional Frailty!! :laughcry:

Jodi - You see ladies and gentleman of the jury. The pictures of the crime scene were, just simply, the result of ONE really bad episode of emotional frailty. I don't even know how I was convicted in the first place. It's just making me more frail, I really need some good news about now.

Morning, Curious! We had such good news yesterday. The replacement play fell on its face. Word came so fast after the hearing on Wednesday. What a relief!


Does anyone else here think that Nurmi is furiously working on making a time machine? I bet that man wants to go back and stop himself from getting on this case in the first place, DESPERATELY. JMO
 
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I truly understand what you are trying to say, but the US Constitution must pertain to EVERYone or it is invalid for EVERYone. We can't have lynch mobs. Due process is absolutely vital.

I agree Jodi Arias must never be allowed to see the light of day outside a prison cell. She's a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 vicious torturous murderer. I just don't believe we can only apply the US Constitution as we deem. It MUST apply to EVERYone.

A passion of mine.

Just to add. When DNA testing became possible it freed A LOT of people who'd been wrongly convicted. One rape victim who had identified her attacker broke down crying when DNA cleared him. She felt so terrible about it. I'm positive that at the time she thought he was the guy.

There are a lot of cases of wrongful conviction. Often, even today, DNA isn't necessary for some convictions. A lot of them are circumstantial. Mistakes will always be made in a man made construction.

JMO
 
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Where are the giraffe midwives here. :scared::scared:

The giraffe pregnancy reports are supposed to occur in the "How quickly can you make this thread go off topic" thread. :snooty:

Is there a closed hearing on the 20th for JA? I took a look at the docket to see if anything new had been posted and down on the bottom is this:

8/20/2014 8:30 Evidentiary Hearing
8/22/2014 13:30 Evidentiary Hearing
9/8/2014 8:30 Trial

The High Profile List still has the hearing on the 22nd listed, just wondered where the 20th came from.

Oh, and now it's listed as "Per, Pro" on the Attorney line (at least Nurmi got removed in that small regard. lol).

Thank you so much, I was wondering when the circus started. Looking forward to September eighth.

BTW, for everyone here. JA came up in conversation with someone the other day. So I was telling them about how great JM was. After their next comment I shouted "Did I ask you about that?" Needless to say they were taken aback and then I told them it was a JM tactic and they laughed.
 
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Oh yeah, we talked about AL and GS and some other things about the trial. They hadn't followed it and I was basically telling them what happened during the trial.

BTW, are any of the cast of characters going to return to the witness stand? Does anyone know?
 
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OOPs! one more thing I forgot to mention. The whole reason I started back following this again was because I knew it was coming up soon. I found this article. It has a great line it; http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...4/08/14/jodi-arias-lawyer-defending/14089627/

...On Wednesday, Arias complained of being stymied by jail personnel in meeting with witnesses and filing motions. And in her court appearance, it was clear from the tone of his voice that prosecutor Juan Martinez was not going to make things easier for her....

The entertainment is just beginning. :happydance:
 
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Oh yeah, we talked about AL and GS and some other things about the trial. They hadn't followed it and I was basically telling them what happened during the trial.

BTW, are any of the cast of characters going to return to the witness stand? Does anyone know?

We heard at the last hearing that Skye Hughes and her husband are requested to be witnesses again. That's all we know about former witnesses so far, Steely.
 
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