SIDEBAR #41 - Arias/Alexander forum

[neesaki]

Paul Sanders court summary from yesterday regarding Jodi wearing purple for DV:


The purple sweater was a lie for all to see. It will have angered those on the jury who have first-hand experience with domestic violence. I was one of the jurors on the DeVault trial who was more than likely selected because of my experience with domestic violence. I can comfortably say that those who pretend to carry the cross of domestic violence infuriate me just as it will antagonize those on this jury with similar experience.

Arias lost a couple jurors in her attire, her outward manifestation of a falsehood and her aroma of manipulation.


BBM How does he know this? I like to read his court summaries but he embellishes so much in his writing.

Idk, but I have to agree with the "outward manifestation of a falsehood and her aroma of manipulation". He hit the nail on the head there, as far as I'm concerned. JMO
Oh, and Re: his embellishments, I actually appreciate them, I think his creativity is something that is just a part of him, that is just his style.... an excellent contrast to the super extreme monotonous boredom of the Nurmi. He certainly makes it sound more interesting, and gives us food for thought, as well as a view from a jurors perspective. JMO of course. :wave:

 

[neesaki]

Nurmi said TA had Borderline Personality Disorder also. Really! How do you get a dead person to take the test? Nurmi comes out with the craziest lines.

Hmmm, sounds like grounds for malpractice to me. Who is he to diagnose anyone, especially when they're deceased. He's such an *******.

 

[neesaki]

Jodi or her "wardrobe assistant" picks clothes to intentionally annoy people. The skimpy top, the purple (domestic violence), royal blue (Travis' favorite color and worn by his family).

I just discovered Dr. DeMarte graduated from my home state, Michigan State University. Cool!

It is nothing more than a mockery, IMO. I have been thinking for the longest that she just needs to be given LWOP. But seeing how she still to this day has not only no remorse, but instead an inflated sense of entitlement, and not only that, but is so invested in mocking Travis' death and the family's grief... well, all I can say is the merciless killer needs to be fried. Not that that will ever happen. But put her in a cell in solitary confinement for the rest of her life. That would do it for me. She is pure Evil. IMO

 

[sharpar]

janx ]What speaks loudest to me is the line under your name. I miss my Huckleberry


Love the name. I miss all of mine too.

 

[Schmatz]

One wee question please:
Did Travis at any stage of their "relationship" willingly give her the passwords to his various accounts?
She openly mentions that she had access on different occasions. This makes me think that maybe he did give her access to at least some. Because if she "stole" them would she be talking so openly about it?

 

[YESorNO]

Link: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...5tXZkBoJJv_VCSYH3a0xhqXLnK5uonUv8dIntbd5GY-9g
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Will Borderline Personality Disorder Save Jodi’s Life?

https://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/will-borderline-personality-disorder-save-jodis-life/
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Here is Dr. Demarte's diagnosis of Marissa Devault (wonder why she didn't diagnose missy:jail: as a psychopath?)

Clinical psychologist diagnoses Marissa Devault as a psychopath

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...ist-diagnoses-marissa-devault-as-a-psychopath
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What's behind an accused killer's court room looks

"...She had to work with that tramp image," Elias said. "Now she has a "librarian" look. "She's put on glasses, which was smart because research shows glasses have an impact on the severity of the verdict.".."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ris-kyle-american-sniper-jodi-arias/22965929/
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[YESorNO]

RIP: LIZABETH SCOTT

" Lizabeth Scott, a sultry blonde with a come-hither voice cut out for the seething romantic and homicidal passions of her Hollywood film noir roles in the late 1940s and early ’50s, died on Jan. 31 in Los Angeles. She was 92...."

http://greatentertainersarchives.bl... hive+(THE+GREAT+ENTERTAINMENT+MEDIA+ARCHIVE)
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Link: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...54HjpWreKDQSVR4F48w629gs uUSBUi5SaFiG6ZoWlad
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[video=youtube;6ztsUnwbkow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ztsUnwbkow[/video]

RIP :candle:

 

[YESorNO]

Do you have the tweet, by chance? I scoured through different hastags used on twitter and couldn't find anything relevant.......

Is this it?

Jodi Arias Updates @JodiAnnArias · Feb 5
Great. Kirk is doing Dr. Death-Demarte's cross. We can expect zero impeachment. #jodiarias

https://twitter.com/JodiAnnArias

It's gone now, but I had copied and pasted to my Word on the 5th and forgot to do a "Peanut Gallery" on it.

Lawrence probably had missy:jail: delete it from her Twitter- very disrespectful of Lawrence, someone who is trying to help her, IMO.

Just look at what he has to work with- a lying, liar.

She wants to "direct" her trial and when it doesn't go the way it's "suppose" to go, she blames everyone else.

Nothing is ever her fault. Pfttt.

 

[YESorNO]

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The one piece of evidence that speaks loudest to me is the theft of his engagement ring. She stole the hope the promise literally and every other way possible. What arrogance entitlement depravity. She destroyed the hope and dreams of him and those who really loved him. She cant die soon enough and never suffer enough to atone for her murderess choices. I hope this is emphazied in
closing statements.

What speaks loudest to you?

The letter to Travis' family after she murdered him spoke the most to me and if I were on the jury, this would seal her fate, IMO.

 

[YESorNO]

Medical Mystery: All Signs Point to a Heart Attack, But the Tests Say NO:

http://tablet.washingtonpost.com/to...856bf6-8b8a-11e4-8ff4-fb93129c9c8b_story.html

Thought this was very interesting and a warning for everyone.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Idk, but I have to agree with the "outward manifestation of a falsehood and her aroma of manipulation". He hit the nail on the head there, as far as I'm concerned. JMO
Oh, and Re: his embellishments, I actually appreciate them, I think his creativity is something that is just a part of him, that is just his style.... an excellent contrast to the super extreme monotonous boredom of the Nurmi. He certainly makes it sound more interesting, and gives us food for thought, as well as a view from a jurors perspective. JMO of course. :wave:

Thanks Neesaki. Anyone who loves reading books would appreciate Paul Sanders. He takes you into the courtroom with him and into the thoughts of the jurors, and even the killer herself.
I think he is awesome.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Link: https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...5tXZkBoJJv_VCSYH3a0xhqXLnK5uonUv8dIntbd5GY-9g
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Will Borderline Personality Disorder Save Jodi’s Life?

https://juror13lw.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/will-borderline-personality-disorder-save-jodis-life/
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Here is Dr. Demarte's diagnosis of Marissa Devault (wonder why she didn't diagnose missy:jail: as a psychopath?)

Clinical psychologist diagnoses Marissa Devault as a psychopath

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/2...ist-diagnoses-marissa-devault-as-a-psychopath
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What's behind an accused killer's court room looks

"...She had to work with that tramp image," Elias said. "Now she has a "librarian" look. "She's put on glasses, which was smart because research shows glasses have an impact on the severity of the verdict.".."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ris-kyle-american-sniper-jodi-arias/22965929/
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This is
it......from the above article, Will BPD Save Jodi's life?
PREMEDITATION
And I’m not talking about the text book definition of premeditation that only requires a small window of time in which the defendant considered their actions. In this case, we have movie-style premeditation. The stuff that only screenwriters dream up. We have a clear record of venomous text communication between the victim and perpetrator weeks before, a stolen gun one week before, a rental car, changed appearance, gas cans, cell phone switched off, falsified journal entries… all of it amounting to clear thought and clear planning way in advance. A thousand miles in advance. Jodi is not mentally insane. A mental disorder is not the same thing as insanity and it’s imperative that Martinez makes that clear to the jury in closing. It all comes down to whether or not Jodi knew what she was doing. And it has been proven a hundred times over in this case that she did know what she was doing. If she didn’t, she would have been convicted of second degree murder, or possibly even manslaughter. The first jury spoke loud and clear and this current jury has to consider that.
In light of that, I think BPD as a mitigating factor will fail. I don’t think it’s enough to spare her life at this point.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Someone said on the resentencing thread that Dr D couldn't being in a diagnosis of Psychopathy because she didn't give that diagnosis in the first trial. But iirc, Dr D did state in the first trial that Jodi tested high for psychopathic deviance. So why can't she speak to that now? I don't understand.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Medical Mystery: All Signs Point to a Heart Attack, But the Tests Say NO:

http://tablet.washingtonpost.com/to...856bf6-8b8a-11e4-8ff4-fb93129c9c8b_story.html

Thought this was very interesting and a warning for everyone.

Thank you! My mother in law eats black licorice a lot and I send it to her. .
I won't do it anymore and I will let her know.

 

[Love Never Fails]

The letter to Travis' family after she murdered him spoke the most to me and if I were on the jury, this would seal her fate, IMO.

All of the evidence speaks to me. If I ignore one piece, another comes to mind. I just see no way the jurors can ignore any of it. That letter was sicker than sick. Mean and hateful and another form of premeditation to hurt his family.

 

[BritsKate]

Someone said on the resentencing thread that Dr D couldn't being in a diagnosis of Psychopathy because she didn't give that diagnosis in the first trial. But iirc, Dr D did state in the first trial that Jodi tested high for psychopathic deviance. So why can't she speak to that now? I don't understand.

Psychopathic deviate is one facet on one test, the MMPI, IIRC. It's not the same thing as a psychopath and not necessarily diagnostic in and of itself. It measures more a person's need for control and their willingness to obey rules.

Psychopathy really isn't a diagnosis made by a clinical psychologist. It doesn't exist, strictly speaking, because it's only listed in the DSM V as one extreme of antisocial personality disorder. The only tests to establish it are forensic, not clinical. There's a school of thought that antisocial and psychopathy are one in the same. There's another that believes a psychopath is a lot more than just antisocial - that's me. She wasn't diagnosed antisocial, presumably, because she tested higher for borderline. It doesn't mean she isn't but more likely, that borderline fits her best. She's probably at least borderline with antisocial traits (I'd suspect narcissistic as well) but those traits may not rise to the diagnostic criteria required. Personality disorder isn't easy to diagnose because the disorders overlap in symptomology to some degree and are very often comorbid.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi...i-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder/

 

[Love Never Fails]

One wee question please:
Did Travis at any stage of their "relationship" willingly give her the passwords to his various accounts?
She openly mentions that she had access on different occasions. This makes me think that maybe he did give her access to at least some. Because if she "stole" them would she be talking so openly about it?

He may have but he also changed them many times. I am thinking he wrote them in his journals which were stolen.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Psychopathic deviate is one facet on one test, the MMPI, IIRC. It's not the same thing as a psychopath and not necessarily diagnostic in and of itself. It measures more a person's need for control and their willingness to obey rules.

Psychopathy really isn't a diagnosis made by a clinical psychologist. It doesn't exist, strictly speaking, because it's only listed in the DSM V as one extreme of antisocial personality disorder. The only tests to establish it are forensic, not clinical. There's a school of thought that antisocial and psychopathy are one in the same. There's another that believes a psychopath is a lot more than just antisocial - that's me. She wasn't diagnosed antisocial, presumably, because she tested higher for borderline. It doesn't mean she isn't but more likely, that borderline fits her best. She's probably at least borderline with antisocial traits (I'd suspect narcissistic as well) but those traits may not rise to the diagnostic criteria required. Personality disorder isn't easy to diagnose because the disorders overlap in symptomology to some degree and are very often comorbid.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi...i-arias-have-borderline-personality-disorder/

Thank you Brits Kate. I have serious issues with testing criteria then. No doubt in my mind she is a psychopath, narcissitic and BPD. I don't understand why Dr D cannot speak to this, not because of testing but because of her own experience in therapy with these kinds of people. JA is clearly someone who premeditated this murder, likely for weeks, clearly stalked him and wanted his life.

 

[Spellbound]

One wee question please:
Did Travis at any stage of their "relationship" willingly give her the passwords to his various accounts?
She openly mentions that she had access on different occasions. This makes me think that maybe he did give her access to at least some. Because if she "stole" them would she be talking so openly about it?

This post from Truth Detector, #787 is a good possibility of how she was able to get his passwords:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...cing-of-Jodi-Arias-1-29-thru-2-2-Break/page32

She had carefully obsessed over and studied him for months.

What passwords she didn't know were easily reset by answering his not-so-secret [in]security questions. She probably reset them to his password(s) that she did know.

If the account was not one accessed daily, for example, he might assume that he had temporarily forgotten the password and entered his other one instead.

Many accounts allow users to remain logged on for weeks or months at a time before requiring signin -- not that there's anything wrong with that.

There's this site called websleuths.com...

 

[Bernina]

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The one piece of evidence that speaks loudest to me is the theft of his engagement ring. She stole the hope the promise literally and every other way possible. What arrogance entitlement depravity. She destroyed the hope and dreams of him and those who really loved him. She cant die soon enough and never suffer enough to atone for her murderess choices. I hope this is emphazied in closing statements.

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That is really deep. I'm not even going to try to express how you nailed that but it shook me to the core.