SIDEBAR #51 - Arias/Alexander forum

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1990 - - Supreme Court rules family members cannot end lives of comatose relatives unless those relatives previously made their wishes known.

I wonder how Bobbi Kristina is doing? I hope it won't be long. She needs to go home. Her mama's waiting. And I hope Nick Gorden is charged, and this won't be dropped.


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[Bernina]

Would you take your four children to the pool if they and you could not swim? I'm sure it's going to be the apartments fault.


A 10-year-old girl drowned and her 9- and 11-year-old brothers were in intensive care after they were pulled from a murky swimming pool at an Irving apartment complex Wednesday, police said.

The girl was identified Thursday as August Smith, according to an Irving police spokesman. Her brothers remained at Children's Medical Center in Dallas.

Police said the children's mother was in the shallow end of the pool with a 3-year-old child and didn’t notice the older children go underwater. Unable to swim, she began screaming for help.

A maintenance man dived in to pull two of the children from the pool about 3:45 p.m. at the MacArthur Place at 183 complex in the 2300 block of North MacArthur Boulevard.

A police officer was performing CPR on one of those children for about a minute before the mother yelled that a third child was still in the pool, police spokesman James McLellan said.

Fire personnel jumped in to rescue the third child, assistant fire chief Rusty Wilson said.

Officials described a chaotic scene with police and fire personnel attempting CPR on all three children.

“This is an extremely difficult call,” Wilson said.

When the mother noticed that she no longer heard the older children playing behind her, she put the 3-year-old down and turned around to try to find them, McLellan said.

“Visibility conditions of that pool were not good at all,” Wilson said, noting that rescuers had a hard time determining how many children were in the pool. “At the deep end of the swimming pool we could not see the bottom. The third child could not be seen.”

Employees at the apartment complex could not be reached for comment.

Police are investigating whether charges might be filed against the mother, whose name was not released. But they believe the incident was an accident.

“This is a tragic situation, regardless of how it transpired,” McLellan said.

There was no one else swimming at the time the children went underwater. Neighbors reported hearing laughter coming from the pool before the tragedy.

Twelve-year-old Danny Sotero said visibility in the pool is usually good, but not on Wednesday.

If he had known something was wrong, he said, “I would have jumped in.”

Police cordoned off the pool as investigators took water samples. A life preserver lay on the ground and three pairs of children’s shoes sat near a table. A “pool closed” sign was tacked onto the fence.

Growing up around pools all my life......
You never take non-swimmers ESPECIALLY MINORS into the pool enclosure without life vests. That's why there's strict laws about fencing around pools.
No visibility in the water? In an apartment complex? Granted, heat causes algae, but no thanks.
Wonder how 3 kids between 9-11 can wind up in a pool without the mom hearing anything?
And was the "Pool closed" sign put up before or after?

Avoidable tragedy. Very sad. And, hate to say it, incredibly stupid.

 

[Zuri]

Growing up around pools all my life......
You never take non-swimmers ESPECIALLY MINORS into the pool enclosure without life vests. That's why there's strict laws about fencing around pools.
No visibility in the water? In an apartment complex? Granted, heat causes algae, but no thanks.
Wonder how 3 kids between 9-11 can wind up in a pool without the mom hearing anything?
And was the "Pool closed" sign put up before or after?

Avoidable tragedy. Very sad. And, hate to say it, incredibly stupid.

It sounds like the 3 older kids were in the deep end while the mom was in the shallow end, when she noticed she no longer heard their voices coming from behind her, and when she looked, they were not visible. OMG what a nightmare and yes, incredibly sad and avoidable.

I have life jackets for my dogs that they wear when they go boating with DH. My poodle was too light to swim in the river, so she always had a life jacket. (Don't ask, no clue why she couldn't swim) I have read about adults taking their children into the surf when none of them could swim, and at times, the rescuers ended up drowning trying to save them. Very sad.

I have checked the newspaper to see if the little boy died from the incident yesterday and there was nothing in the obits which makes me relieved. That was just such a haunting sight to see them doing CPR and how cyanotic he was.

I am very embarrassed to admit this, but when I was working triage in the ER right after my youngest child was born, a couple drove up with an infant that was not breathing. Those patients go directly to the back and while I am taking them to a critical care room, I am yelling that I needed a nurse and a doctor. Yelling. Panicked. Forgot I was a nurse panic. It all went out the window. All I could see was this infant, the same age as mine, needed immediate intervention. WTH was I thinking? I was getting the neonatal ambu bag out, but was all fumbly and rattled. After the baby was taken to the larger pediatric hospital, and crisis avoided, I apologized to the other nurses, who just laughed and said it was all part of being a sleep deprived mom, just back to work from maternity leave. How gracious they were. Give me adults any time.

 

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Growing up around pools all my life......
You never take non-swimmers ESPECIALLY MINORS into the pool enclosure without life vests. That's why there's strict laws about fencing around pools.
No visibility in the water? In an apartment complex? Granted, heat causes algae, but no thanks.
Wonder how 3 kids between 9-11 can wind up in a pool without the mom hearing anything?
And was the "Pool closed" sign put up before or after?

Avoidable tragedy. Very sad. And, hate to say it, incredibly stupid.

I'm not sure if the pool was closed and they went in anyway. Some here in the metroplex wonder if mom was even at the pool when they went under. I can understand one child going under and you not hearing them, but three?


We were taught the "old fashion way" to swim. You got thrown in and you learned pretty quick. Our kids took swimming lesson when they were five years old, and we took my grandson for lessons when he was three. I didn't know if his mother would ever leave him in a pool "by accident" since she put him in the tub and go watch TV in another room. She also made my four year old granddaughter watch her year old half sister in the tub alone. When my grandson took his lessons there was a three year old little girl that had fallen in a swimming pool, and they taught them all to look around and grab the coping of the pool and walk their hands to the steps. They said many kids see the other side and try to get to it.


I do see reckless endangerment charges to all of her children.

 

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New pissed off news about Lily. Little mama and Loli went to see her this afternoon, and Lily's has had surgery to repair a two inch something on her neck, and no one called anyone. The nurses handed Lily to little mama and they said Lily was the calmest they'd seen her since she came into the icu. They said they thought Lily had been abandoned, and that was why no one came to see her. Loli was pissed and told them that we were told no one in our family could see her and that if any of us were able to, that Lily would of never been alone.

I don't know what the repair was about. Tuesday a week ago they did an endoscopy down her throat and said it looked fine and didn't need surgery to repair the tears. They took her tube out on Tuesday and were letting her suck on her binki to re learn how to sallow.

Zuri? Do you have any idea of what is going on? Did them letting her have her binki back cause any further damage? Could this been the damage that they went back to last Thursday, when they said someone intentionality rammed something down her throat because a tear was too far down her throat? And the bulb suction was not the kind with the hard plastic rounded cone shape attached to a bulb for infants, but the old fashion snot sucker with the long nose. It does seem like you said last week that someone may of rammed a pencil or who knows what down her throat.


We are all so frustrated and pissed that Lily was all alone, left like an abandoned baby that no one cared about. I am shaking



ps On the news they said that the woman had five children , not four. so I don't know where or how old this child is. Last was two boys. eleven and nine and the ten years old girl that drowned, and a three year old that mom was playing. Don't know how old the other child is.

 

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2009 - Farrah Faucet died. I thought this was one of her best role.


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[franquerolane]

Am I the only one getting an ad for websleuths at the bottom of the page with that awful photo of Travis' body in the shower stall? It's horrible.

 

[Nore]

OMG! that would be terrible. I'd tell a Mod..

 

[franquerolane]

OMG! that would be terrible. I'd tell a Mod..

I don't know how to tell a Mod.

 

[coffeejunkie]

I don't know how to tell a Mod.

Think you 'mark' your post? See the black triangle on the bottom left of your post? I think you click on that. Hope it works!

 

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More of Farrah Faucet. I didn't realized that she was in so many commercials.




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I guess I need to hate a woman tonight, and Dianne Downs is one I can very easily hate. How can you choose a man over your children?


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[daisymae]

Don Lemon and Savidge are here tonight. Looks like they're in front of the AMC church live. Sunny Hostin is also here. CNN

 

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and then there is Darlie Routier. It's been nineteen years since she stabbed her sons Devon and Damon. I just realized that she's forty five years old. Her remaining son Drake is twenty? She's looking old.


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[Zuri]

New pissed off news about Lily. Little mama and Loli went to see her this afternoon, and Lily's has had surgery to repair a two inch something on her neck, and no one called anyone. The nurses handed Lily to little mama and they said Lily was the calmest they'd seen her since she came into the icu. They said they thought Lily had been abandoned, and that was why no one came to see her. Loli was pissed and told them that we were told no one in our family could see her and that if any of us were able to, that Lily would of never been alone.

I don't know what the repair was about. Tuesday a week ago they did an endoscopy down her throat and said it looked fine and didn't need surgery to repair the tears. They took her tube out on Tuesday and were letting her suck on her binki to re learn how to sallow.

Zuri? Do you have any idea of what is going on? Did them letting her have her binki back cause any further damage? Could this been the damage that they went back to last Thursday, when they said someone intentionality rammed something down her throat because a tear was too far down her throat? And the bulb suction was not the kind with the hard plastic rounded cone shape attached to a bulb for infants, but the old fashion snot sucker with the long nose. It does seem like you said last week that someone may of rammed a pencil or who knows what down her throat.


We are all so frustrated and pissed that Lily was all alone, left like an abandoned baby that no one cared about. I am shaking



ps On the news they said that the woman had five children , not four. so I don't know where or how old this child is. Last was two boys. eleven and nine and the ten years old girl that drowned, and a three year old that mom was playing. Don't know how old the other child is.

I am so sorry you all are going through this. It sounds like COS and the hospital are not communicating? If you can get Loli or little mama to write the names of the procedures down, that would be helpful. I am not sure what they are referring to and it is hard to get a picture of what happened without diagnoses. The nurses in the ICU should write them down for you.

Sucking on the binkey should not have done anything, nor removing the feeding tube, to her throat. To repair a 2" ? laceration? From what? Puncture wounds are not usually 2" long, as they are holes. IMO it is well within Loli's and little mama's rights to ask what procedures have been done and the cause. I can get you a medical explanation stat. This is ridiculous that no one is keeping you informed. Is there a social worker involved anywhere here at Baylor? And are doctors talking to you?

 

[neesaki]

This is a book that I pull out to read every so often. Good book:

Holocaust Memoir ‘Man’s Search For Meaning’ Heading To Screen

"...Frankl, a psychotherapist and contemporary of Sigmund Freud, developed his skills in an impossible setting. He was among those sent to the concentration camps by the Nazis, and he used his therapeutic skills to inspire prisoners to fight for their survival by finding meaning in their suffering. Once he was liberated, Frankl then used his experiences in the camps as the basis for what became a pioneering form of therapy he called Logotherapy, or healing through meaning...."

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This Man Faced Unimaginable Suffering, And Then Wrote The Definitive Book About Happiness

"...“Those who have a 'why' to live, can bear with almost any 'how,'” Frankl writes, quoting Nietzsche. Frankl wasn't just paying lip service to the power of optimism and a sense of purpose: He himself had experienced the worst possible how, living through Auschwitz and losing his father, mother, brother and pregnant wife -- everyone in his family except his sister -- in the concentration camps...."

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About the book:

Man's Search for Meaning Mass Market Paperback – June 1, 2006
by Viktor E. Frankl

"Psychiatrist Viktor Frankl's memoir has riveted generations of readers with its descriptions of life in Nazi death camps and its lessons for spiritual survival. Between 1942 and 1945 Frankl labored in four different camps, including Auschwitz, while his parents, brother, and pregnant wife perished. Based on his own experience and the experiences of others he treated later in his practice, Frankl argues that we cannot avoid suffering but we can choose how to cope with it, find meaning in it, and move forward with renewed purpose. Frankl's theory-known as logotherapy, from the Greek word logos ("meaning")-holds that our primary drive in life is not pleasure, as Freud maintained, but the discovery and pursuit of what we personally find meaningful...."

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Dr. Victor E Frankl

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Hi my YESorNO :wave: I need to put those on my list to read. And speaking of books, I just finished one that is quite thought provoking, "The Harbinger" by Jonathan Cahn.

Quotes:

“America was founded on prayer. Therefore, the removal of prayer from its public life was a central part of its fall from God. A nation that turns away from prayer will ultimately find itself in desperate need of it.”
― Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery that Holds the Secret of America's Future

“And America has done much good. And there's no shortage of nations far exceeding any of its faults or sins. But no nation in the modern world has ever been given so much. None has been so blessed. To whom much is given, much is required. If a nation so blessed by God should turn away from Him, what then? It's blessing will be replaced with curses? Yes. And has America turned away from God? I asked. It has turned and is turning. How? In the same way Israel turned. It started with a spiritual complacency, then spiritual confusion, then the merging of God with idols and then, ultimately, the rejection of his ways. Just as with ancient Israel, America began ruling God out of its life, turning, step by step, against His ways, at first subtly and then more and more brazenly.”
― Jonathan Cahn, The Harbinger: The Ancient Mystery that Holds the Secret of America's Future

 

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I am so sorry you all are going through this. It sounds like COS and the hospital are not communicating? If you can get Loli or little mama to write the names of the procedures down, that would be helpful. I am not sure what they are referring to and it is hard to get a picture of what happened without diagnoses. The nurses in the ICU should write them down for you.

Sucking on the binkey should not have done anything, nor removing the feeding tube, to her throat. To repair a 2" ? laceration? From what? Puncture wounds are not usually 2" long, as they are holes. IMO it is well within Loli's and little mama's rights to ask what procedures have been done and the cause. I can get you a medical explanation stat. This is ridiculous that no one is keeping you informed. Is there a social worker involved anywhere here at Baylor? And are doctors talking to you?

No one is. CPS told Loli last week that no one could see Lily. Then when little mama's stationery got back in town last week Loli-Pop got to see her. He's called and tried to speak with the CPS worker and she told him she didn't have the time. Right now Lily is in limbo, she in the custody of the state of Texas, and we're at their mercy. There is court on Monday and we'll find out more. I just don't understand if there was a hole ,tear etc; why they would wait until eleven days to repair it.

Zuri what I can't understand is a two inch repair? hole? That's a big area on a three month old. But the surgery was on her neck.

 

[neesaki]

and then there is Darlie Routier. It's been nineteen years since she stabbed her sons Devon and Damon. I just realized that she's forty five years old. Her remaining son Drake is twenty? She's looking old.


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That tragic case has haunted me for years. I have followed it and will continue to do so until she is either put to death, or her sentence is commuted to LWOP. Those poor, poor babies. :cry: I can't even begin to fathom the unimaginable horror those little boys went through. Poor little Damon, lying there on the floor bleeding to death, unable to breath, in excruciating pain and agony, and wondering why his own mommy would hurt him so bad. :tears:His own mother who he thought loved him, only a few feet away, not helping, not holding, not loving, not concerned for him at all. He watched her as he died... just babbling away on the phone for at least five minutes to 911. She watched him as he died, her only concern being herself, for her own self-inflicted superficial throat wound, and, how she could get away with murder. And poor Devon, already dead. Those poor, sweet babies. :cry:

Damon Christian Routier - 1991 - 1996
Devon Rush Routier = 1989 - 1996

 

[neesaki]

New pissed off news about Lily. Little mama and Loli went to see her this afternoon, and Lily's has had surgery to repair a two inch something on her neck, and no one called anyone. The nurses handed Lily to little mama and they said Lily was the calmest they'd seen her since she came into the icu. They said they thought Lily had been abandoned, and that was why no one came to see her. Loli was pissed and told them that we were told no one in our family could see her and that if any of us were able to, that Lily would of never been alone.

I don't know what the repair was about. Tuesday a week ago they did an endoscopy down her throat and said it looked fine and didn't need surgery to repair the tears. They took her tube out on Tuesday and were letting her suck on her binki to re learn how to sallow.

Zuri? Do you have any idea of what is going on? Did them letting her have her binki back cause any further damage? Could this been the damage that they went back to last Thursday, when they said someone intentionality rammed something down her throat because a tear was too far down her throat? And the bulb suction was not the kind with the hard plastic rounded cone shape attached to a bulb for infants, but the old fashion snot sucker with the long nose. It does seem like you said last week that someone may of rammed a pencil or who knows what down her throat.


We are all so frustrated and pissed that Lily was all alone, left like an abandoned baby that no one cared about. I am shaking



ps On the news they said that the woman had five children , not four. so I don't know where or how old this child is. Last was two boys. eleven and nine and the ten years old girl that drowned, and a three year old that mom was playing. Don't know how old the other child is.

So sorry for all you're going through. I hope and pray things are resolved and Lilly recovers soon. (((hugs)))

 

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That tragic case has haunted me for years. I have followed it and will continue to do so until she is either put to death, or her sentence is commuted to LWOP. Those poor, poor babies. :cry: I can't even begin to fathom the unimaginable horror those little boys went through. Poor little Damon, lying there on the floor bleeding to death, unable to breath, in excruciating pain and agony, and wondering why his own mommy would hurt him so bad. :tears:His own mother who he thought loved him, only a few feet away, not helping, not holding, not loving, not concerned for him at all. He watched her as he died... just babbling away on the phone for at least five minutes to 911. She watched him as he died, her only concern being herself, for her own self-inflicted superficial throat wound, and, how she could get away with murder. And poor Devon, already dead. Those poor, sweet babies. :cry:

Damon Christian Routier - 1991 - 1996
Devon Rush Routier = 1989 - 1996

I'm glad she buried then together. I know their not there, but the needed to be together. I have an ex daughter in law that scared dh and I. She shook my grandson and told him to shut up when he was seven weeks old. And in front of her mother and us.


You know how chatter gets around town? Some say Darlie wasn't all that good of a mother. She is all show and go, and she was going to lose that anytime. Her big house behind in mortgage payments, their boat at the lake sat unused because they couldn't afford to get it fixed, the jaguar in need of repair, and they were down to just Darlie's suv.

Then you add all that was going on in her life that day., Some say Darin took too long taking Darlie's fifteen year old sister back to her home that night. Devon and Damon splashing all the water out of the hot tub earlier that evening. Little things add up to big explosions at times.

How can you say a baby breathing was keeping you up, and one son is stabbed right there by you?