SIDEBAR #6- Arias/Alexander forum

[Curious Me]

It's so hard to nail jello to the wall.
Juan Martinez did a wonderful job, IMO. :yesss:


Getting some exercise here. :juanettes::juanettes::juanettes:

 

[Dana]

Maybe foreman came in with preconceived notions?

Most people? Broad brush.

He got M1, and from the comments from Bill Z, he thinks poor Jodi was abused and was a perfectly normal women before she met Travis. Now that says volumes. At least to me.

Nothing to do with your commet Shady, this is totally OT but....

I love your avatar!! Looks just like my Maggie :heart:

 

[dani]

Don't forget that your body will first be thoroughly examined by Dr. Horn.

Kill me NOW!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[marlap]

Well said. One thing I admire about the guy is that he was doing two jobs. He was proving Jodi guilty of Felony Premed Murder plus rehabbing Travis's reputation. He proved he didn't break her finger and proved the pedo story was utter nonsense.

Dang those steaks look good! I'll bring loaded baked potatoes.

Can we get volunteers to bring beer, salad, rolls slathered in butter, and HEY, who is bringing dessert and what shall it be?

 

[ElleElle]

:rocker: Indeed! Just because someone has an opinion (again) then it's a strangers fault. Come on peeps, we're better than this.

oh no! Please, no Mom bashing!

 

[MidwestMama]

Yes, I've seen you post that before, I think. Like I said, I understand that my pov is contrary to what most people here believe. But it is definitely what a lot of people who are not here think. Including a lot of the locals. I'm not lying when I tell you that I don't know one single person in my personal or professional life that has said that they like Juan's style and many have said (totally independent from any comment by me) that he has done his case more harm then good considering the mountain of evidence against her. If they're thinking that, and I'm thinking that, and people's moms are thinking that, and the foreman of the jury apparently thought that, then maybe it's worth considering that there might be something to it, imo.

I haven't posted that before, although someone else may have... apparently I'm not the only one thinking that way! I believe you when you say many you know don't like him. I have seen other posters who don't like him also. That's ok.
I do like him.
He gets the job done. If my grandmother (whom I ADORE) had to be a witness in a trial I would rather Juan cross examine her than Nurmi. She would tell the truth and therefore, Juan's style wouldn't intimidate her. If Nurmi spoke to my grandma like he did Deanna, she would have to bail me out of jail after court ended. THAT was disgusting!

 

[Angelina Frost]

It is my opinion, and I repeat, I can't stand him!

Unless you have met him personally, this is logically impossible.

You may dislike his professional style, but to say you cannot stand him doesn't make sense if you have never had a real-time interface with the man.

 

[ElleElle]

Dr. Horn :luv: :luv:

Don't forget that your body will first be thoroughly examined by Dr. Horn.

 

[Curious Me]

Last week while doing laundry, after the clothes were dry, I opened the dryer to find I had put the entire box of dryer sheets in there ... and the single sheet was where the box is usually kept. It was indeed the softest load I've ever dried!

:floorlaugh: Smells good?

 

[DebinGA]

Well said. One thing I admire about the guy is that he was doing two jobs. He was proving Jodi guilty of Felony Premed Murder plus rehabbing Travis's reputation. He proved he didn't break her finger and proved the pedo story was utter nonsense.

JM definitively proved JA's very belated pedo story was a lie via the phone records/texts. I thought the vileness of that obvious lie would overcome any lingering doubts in jurors minds about just who JA was and is. Alas, no.

 

[Lochlynsmom]

Congrats on your first post Lochlynsmom, and welcome to our group! :seeya:

:wagon:

Thank you for noticing! Long time lurker. I have had a couple of glasses of wine so decided to jump in.

 

[Wishbone]

Or believed the misguided fm that the judge would decide.

Was the judge lacking in her instructions to all the jurors?

 

[kscornfed]

i have a question about the foreman:

doesn't it seem inconsistent for him to say 'they' believe travis invited JA to visit on june 4, but that this was premeditated?

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

This is a worthwhile consideration IMO. Travis made it clear that he ended the relationship. Inmate Arias disregarded what Travis wanted. She imposed her own reality on him and continued to pursue him against his will manipulating him with her sexual availability. Sex was offered him, he took it, but did not want to continue.
Covertly, she travelled over 1000 miles to Mesa. She arrived at his house at 4.00am in the morning, carrying tools for murder. Most people were asleep in their beds. She got into Travis's house. Again this was against his will. He was her victim. It seems she seduced him with her sexual availability. If she was the sexual aggressor, it could be considered rape IMO. After her sexual adventures, in which he was her object, then she brutally murdered him. In my humble opinion, this seems sociopathic in nature and has similarities with other sociopathic murderers who combine sexuality with murder. It is about having the ultimate power over another. Inmate Arias imposed her reality on him. e.g: her being in his house uninvited many times against his will; her intrusions into his email accounts & private property against his will; her sexual manipulation against his will. He was her victim once the continued pursuit happened against his will. Her relentless pursuit and disregard for his wishes made him feel unsafe IMHO. It was Travis who felt anxious, trapped, frustrated and helpless before sending that rejecting email. He was already her victim and her plan was already forming IMHO. He felt unsafe with inmate Arias and stated to friends something like "don't be surprised if you find me dead one day". He sensed he was in danger, but being male and strong, he has underestimated her. We need to be thankful that the Jury got it right when they convicted inmate Arias for Murder 1. This real life scenario has similarities with the move Fatal Attraction and Play Misty For Me.

Good post. The idea that a man could be sexually manipulated into doing something he didn't want to do seemed alien to the Foreman. He wasn't receptive to the fact that TA could have been forced at gunpoint to do whatever she wanted.

We don't know what happened. We only have her watered down version.

And she probably had that wild a$$ look in her eyes and he could have thought, "Maybe if I go along with her, she'll be satisfied and leave."

I wish this Foreman had been more open and able to understand the fact that men can be sexual assault/physical violence victims.

 

[ElleElle]

I get it, but lease: no bashing because of Juan's stellar record.

The thing many people forget or don't realize is that Juan is not there for entertainment purposes, it does not matter if you or I like him. He is there to get a conviction and Justice for the victim. He has a stellar record. Doesn't matter what Josephine Public thinks.

 

[Wishbone]

Unless you have met him personally, this is logically impossible.

You may dislike his professional style, but to say you cannot stand him doesn't make sense if you have never had a real-time interface with the man.

Thanks for telling me I can't dislike someone after watching them almost daily for five months. From what I have seen of him I know that I would not like to have a real-time anything with that man. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[bobloblaw]

Just to be clear, I'm only discussing what I and others think of him in court. I don't know him personally and neither do any of the others I referred to afaik. So when I say "can't stand him" I'm not referring to him personally. I have no idea what he's like outside the courtroom.

When someone says " I can't stand him" its personal, if you were to say " I can't stand his style" it will usual be percieved as a completely different sentiment. I'm not telling you what to say, just how it is percieved. To each their own.


What do you think of his record of convictions? To me thats all that matters, as I said earlier, he's not there to entertain us...

 

[Lochlynsmom]

Was the judge lacking in her instructions to all the jurors?

Pretty sure the fm made it clear how things went down...did you see his "appearances"

 

[OEJ]

For God's sake, there is nothing to prove she raped him.

Why is it so difficult to believe Travis slept with her that day? I know we wished Travis would have completely cut off contact with her on May 26. But he didn't. He was extremely pissed at her but he didn't think she would kill him.

They had sex that day, we've seen those pictures. No, they weren't staged. IMO the crime is even more brutal because they had sex that day and Travis would have never have expected that day's outcome.

My sister-in-law cleaned my dad's motorhome, wrote a suicide note and left it in there, then had sex with my brother before going out and blowing her head off in HIS truck. She could have just as easily blown his head off, but she decided to make him suffer and he DID.

I would be shocked if she did NOT try and have sex with Travis before she murdered him. It was the ultimate domination and control. She was the last person he would ever have. She could feel her contempt for his "weakness." Look how she left him. That pose she left him in expressed her utter contempt!

She played Travis like a fiddle. That poor man was SO naive. He doubted even his own instincts because of her seamless manipulations.

 

[kaRN]

Ya...what's with all the attacks on Juantastic?

Those that can't do, criticize those who excel. :twocents: