SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[MeeBee]

It's not conspiracy. Both sides watch the social media these days. Including the Judges when time permits and it is brought to their attention. It doesn't have to be a big time t.v. trial either. My boss even asked me once if I had a FB acct to help a murder trial out, defense attorney. No, I don't. He had to find it on his own to print out what the contradiction was for his trial. No joking. Type it and there it is for the world.

But as far as I know this juror's comment was not reported in social media. It had to have gotten back to them in some other way.

 

[21merc7]

For Vivan, and yes I did watch "Being Bobby Brown"

Bobby Brown - Every Little Step - YouTube

I forgot BB used to be thin and cute. Lol. But I guess I was thin 20 some years ago too, ha!

 

[ElleElle]

Like attracts like. :floorlaugh:

So maybe this is why he could relate to JA!

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

Do you remember that day when JC testified?

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 38 - Prosecutorial Misconduct Hearing - YouTube

Ohhh yes. The whole Juanderful and the Juanettes debacle.

I remember thinking JC is much prettier than she looks when reporting and her dress was really cute.

More shallowness. It looked like a dress I'd seen in Anthropologie so I scoured the website ... to no avail.

 

[Only4Justice]

who posted this you tube on another thread -- definitely worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YJTBLd-72fg#

 

[InALandFarFarAway]

Well, Keifer, being close to and in contact with the DT, knows they feel this person is a problem. So, he's on high alert with her and listens to anything and everything that may help the DT in getting her removed. He hears it, or gets wind of it, reports it back to the DT and they work on getting her removed.

I could be way off. Just throwing that around. You guys can delete if this is inappropriate.

Ok, I admit I'm not sure who "Keifer" is ... is he one of those mitigation specialist types that were skulking around?

 

[Night-owl]

I commend him for being able to think logically in the guilty phase and aggravating phase, absolutely. But he seems blind to her manipulation. He is totally free to his opinion and totally free to vote for life. I respect his decisions. But he doesn't seem to get Jodi and that, at least to me, is pretty blind. He thinks Travis abused her. He thinks she was normal until she met him. He thinks asking her straight up for the truth will do any good. He is blind to Jodi.

I have my own suspicions about the "abuse" thing, namely that Jodi may have told Travis she is "into" humiliation and degradation. And if you don't know how that works, it can look very abusive from the outside. She, at the very least, didn't seem a bit put aback by name calling.

It would make a lot of sense in Jodi-world, to take an activity that you either were seeking out or willingly participated in, and turn it against the other player. I've seen very consensual activity that makes being called a 3-Hole Wonder look practically tame by comparison. With that in mind, I could not say unequivocally that the relationship was abusive. But I can totally understand why someone would.

Regardless, the proper response to abuse you didn't negotiate for is to walk, not stab and shoot.

 

[VivianVance]

For Vivan, and yes I did watch "Being Bobby Brown"

Bobby Brown - Every Little Step - YouTube

Of course, so did I!!!

 

[TexMex]

For those of you interested in how a juror could go visit a murderer after the trial, Google "Robert Durst".

Short version: Durst is a member of an enormously wealthy NYC family. His wife, a medical student, "disappeared" and was never found. He also had a friendship with a woman whose Daddy was in the mob. She continued this friendship with Durst for decades. One New Year's Day, she was slaughtered in her LA home. The cops wanted to question Durst, but he disappeared.

It turned out he was living in Galveston, TX, where he dressed and lived as a woman. He got into a fight with a neighbor, shot the guy in the head, then dismembered the body and threw the parts into trash bags, which he then dumped into Galveston Bay. The problem was, the bags started to wash ashore. The only body part not found was the victim's head.

Durst was tried for murder, and was represented by Dick DeGuerin, one of the hot shot defense lawyers in the country. Durst claimed self defense, and took the stand. He gave his version of the story. The jury decided to acquit, since the head was not found and the State could not determine the trajectory of the bullet to contradict Durst's story! Not only that, because he stayed in jail for a while for some other charges, multiple jurors used to go visit him!!! I have no idea where he is now, but he's walking the streets somewhere.

Dick DeGuerin is a legend in Texas


http://www.texasmonthly.com/content/verdict


The case that DeGuerin's class was studying in late November was similar to the one involving Durst: The prosecution had a 911 tape in which a Thai teenager admitted to shooting four gang members outside his Houston home.

"What's my rule when things look bad for your guy?" DeGuerin asked the class.

"Embrace the ugly baby!" they called back in unison.

"That's right," DeGuerin beamed, pleased that his message had stuck. "Make chicken salad out of chicken feathers."

 

[ElleElle]

"Someone" overheard it as she left the courthouse that day. They ran like a cry baby to the DT. What does DT do? Motion for mistrial. :facepalm: What a joke.

But as far as I know this juror's comment was not reported in social media. It had to have gotten back to them in some other way.

 

[AZWatcher]

DONOVAN!! Are we really giving this ambiguous person the time and consideration as if she is someone important?

IMOO this is one of the reasons I wonder why these cases must be televised. I truly feel EVERYBODY involved in a case like this should have the privacy a profound act of murder warrants.
Jurors need not be concerned as to how they are portrayed, Attorneys could just do their job without grandstanding, defendants would not be put on the witness stand to testify for 2 months, Families of both sides would not have to be viewed at their worse possible moments....and most of all we would not have to listen to JC, NG, JVM among so many others dissect EVERY word. Jean c would not have to concern her little brain as to what a jurors BODY language might be telling her, and the jurors would come to their decision without the possibility of being vilified if they vote against public opinion.

I think the Foreman comes off like a pompous a$$, but why he or anyone else voted the way they did does not need to be justified by endless interviews.
These cases have a way of turning into a Team event. This is Life and Death folks--Televising trials have taken the dignity out of the Justice System---IMOO!

DONOVAN! Yea she is really important, ugh!

I'm not sure what your stance is on televising trials and Donavan's fame.

Am I kidding?.... yes.
Also, as much I dig the sunshine laws that let me into the court room via the boob tube... I see your point and must agree with you.

 

[ElleElle]

https://twitter.com/michaelbkiefer

Ok, I admit I'm not sure who "Keifer" is ... is he one of those mitigation specialist types that were skulking around?

 

[MeeBee]

I have my own suspicions about the "abuse" thing, namely that Jodi may have told Travis she is "into" humiliation and degradation. And if you don't know how that works, it can look very abusive from the outside. She, at the very least, didn't seem a bit put aback by name calling.

It would make a lot of sense in Jodi-world, to take an activity that you either were seeking out or willingly participated in, and turn it against the other player. I've seen very consensual activity that makes being called a 3-Hole Wonder look practically tame by comparison. With that in mind, I could not say unequivocally that the relationship was abusive. But I can totally understand why someone would.

Regardless, the proper response to abuse you didn't negotiate for is to walk, not stab and shoot.

I already agree with all of this. I have posted that Jodi introduced certain things into the relationship and has turned it around on Travis. Including the rape fantasies, the braids, the being tied to a tree, the role playing, etc. I posted this in the armchair psyche thread.

I have posted that I wholeheartedly believe Jodi was NOT abused by Travis, but can understand why someone, especially a juror with a very narrow window, would. The DT did do a good job of painting that narrative. And I guess people are free to have the opinion that those texts were verbally or emotionally abusive. They were mean, but totally justified and were not abuse. But they are free to think that.

And in the end, foreman agreed with the last sentence, because while he does believe Jodi was abused, he said it was no excuse and back that up by voting for murder 1. So again, I commend him for that. That was a very logical and non-emotion led decision.

 

[polleypockets]

Ok, I admit I'm not sure who "Keifer" is ... is he one of those mitigation specialist types that were skulking around?

keiffer is the pro jodi journalist who was covering the the trial for newspaper, who reported ALV went to er because of stress and was being stalked in resturants - which mighta have gotten her in more trouble cuz she wasn't suppose to talk to press and some how was able to get the sealed jury question about jury not agreeing and publishing it

 

[kscornfed]

"Someone" overheard it as she left the courthouse that day. They ran like a cry baby to the DT. What does DT do? Motion for mistrial. :facepalm: What a joke.

no wonder she cried. she must've been devastated. which is why i love her even more for coming back, just for that one day, as a big FU to JA and her attys, and let everyone know she wasn't home hiding under her bed in shame.

 

[AZWatcher]

I have my own suspicions about the "abuse" thing, namely that Jodi may have told Travis she is "into" humiliation and degradation. And if you don't know how that works, it can look very abusive from the outside. She, at the very least, didn't seem a bit put aback by name calling.

It would make a lot of sense in Jodi-world, to take an activity that you either were seeking out or willingly participated in, and turn it against the other player. I've seen very consensual activity that makes being called a 3-Hole Wonder look practically tame by comparison. With that in mind, I could not say unequivocally that the relationship was abusive. But I can totally understand why someone would.

Regardless, the proper response to abuse you didn't negotiate for is to walk, not stab and shoot.

Was your first clue ..." It's so debasing ... I like it " ?

 

[rose222]

When asked "Do you think it was good for the Justice System that there were cameras in the court, that this (KC trial) was such a widely followed case? Judge Belvin Perry said "Well, in Florida we've always had cameras and I think people need to know how their Justice System works and that's the only way it can work."

I've been through two big, high-profile trials. I agree with him for the most part.

 

[AZWatcher]

Ok, I admit I'm not sure who "Keifer" is ... is he one of those mitigation specialist types that were skulking around?

He's a local reporter here in AZ. Seems to almost always have a bone to pick with somebody. Who is that in your avatar?

 

[AZWatcher]

When asked "Do you think it was good for the Justice System that there were cameras in the court, that this (KC trial) was such a widely followed case? Judge Belvin Perry said "Well, in Florida we've always had cameras and I think people need to know how their Justice System works and that's the only way it can work."

I've been through two big, high-profile trials. I agree with him for the most part.

I do too, I also see the side-show and the social media circus that goes along with it ... and I wonder if it has a negative effect on the process.

 

[gcharlie]

Just read the foreman's son message. I can't decide which is worse. Father's message or son's message. He says his father is suffering. Well, boo hoo. That's the problem with people. You have a young man who was mercilessly butchered and almost beheaded with photos to prove it. You have his family devastated and heart-broken. Yet others want to use this opportunity to throw themselves a pity party. 'I'm suffering, I'm crucified' The only person who was crucified here was Travis. His family SUFFERS.

Don't come and tell me a foreman who has a gu$$er mouth is suffering and then expect me to cry him a river.

Where is that? Do you have a link?