SIDEBAR #7- Arias/Alexander forum

[Mrs G Norris]

The more time goes on, the gladder I am that Jodi got a mistrial in the penalty phase, too many issues at the end .. but you know I really think LWOP would be the best outcome here, because DP just means more money being wasted on her, appeals, new lawyers etc etc etc .. whereas with life she just disappears into the system.

 

[LambChop]

Will her lawyers accuse Sheriff Joe of cruel and unusual punishment?:floorlaugh:

Whether her sentence is LWOP or DP she would be exactly where she is now. So I guess she should just get use to it. Even on LWOP they start out in solitary for a couple of years depending on how they behave. If she is throwing a fit it will get her nowhere except a notation on her record. Imagine going from the center of attention to nothing.

 

[LambChop]

The more time goes on, the gladder I am that Jodi got a mistrial in the penalty phase, too many issues at the end .. but you know I really think LWOP would be the best outcome here, because DP just means more money being wasted on her, appeals, new lawyers etc etc etc .. whereas with life she just disappears into the system.

You're right. It was probably like information overload for these jurors in the end. New jury will have a fresh start with a short term commitment.

 

[SmoothOperator]

**My apologies for being way behind and there for this post likely landing amidst unrelated topic and discussions**

Originally Posted by ElleElle
*c/p from previous thread*
So, both Travis and Jodi had issues and one thing Jodi was
right about imo is that they brought out the worst in each
other like a bad drug.

<Respectfully snipped by me>

Perhaps you are right, ElleElle, in your saying that it actually was both who each brought out the worst of the other in regard to both Travis and Jodi..but I truly feel and believe that the evidence shows that the "ugly" or the "worst" of Jodi was absolutely there all along and did not just appear whenever Travis entered her life.. IMO the narcissistic and psychopathic traits of Jodi were very much a part of who and what she was long before Travis ever had the misfortune of crossing paths with her in Nevada, 2006.. My opinion is that we have seen proof positive evidence that not only were the narcissistic and psychopathic traits already present in Jodi ..so, too were the narcissistic and psychopathic traits being acted out as well..all long PRIOR to Travis Alexander's having entered the picture..

The pattern was already well established IMO.. The same exact pattern that would once again be established by Jodi in her "relationship" with Travis, just as the pattern had played itself out in relationships PRIOR to Travis.. IMO as with any type of malignant behaviors they all escalate with time..with each development of the pattern we see the escalation that Jodi is becoming more sinister, more determined, more bold in her developing of the pattern of behavior and actions that were played out in her intimate relationships..

The evidence of the pattern having long since been established waaaaay prior to Travis entering the picture even came into the courtroom as well.. The pattern that Juan IMO successfully established wrt Jodi's history of inappropriate, obsessive, stalking, and boundaryLESS actions and behaviors that she had already long since established prior to Travis Alexander ever coming into the picture..

So, for me that is why I do not necessarily see it as they each brought out the worst IN EACH OTHER(Jodi and Travis)...In my very strong opinion the worst was already long since alive and well in Jodi Arias and had been building and escalating for a long period of time before Jodi even knew that a Travis Alexander even existed..

I do NOT at all see this a the perfect storm, so to speak, as in all of the variables had to be present and those specific variables were each necessary for the perfect storm to come together resulting in the deadly end result... IMO that is NOT the case here...

IMO Travis Alexander is not and does not represent any of the absolute necessary variables that must be in place for the perfect storm to have been created.. Travis is not the catalyst for which was needed in order to have the deadly end result.. Travis IMO is the generic factor that can easily be interchanged with another individual.. While it is Jodi and Jodi's very much escalating narcissistic and psychopathic behaviors and actions that are NON variables..it is Jodi and Jodi's actions and behaviors that CANNOT be substituted or interchanged for they are the catalyst of the entire deadly end result.. It is Jodi and Jodi's escalating behaviors and actions that are the deadly mix, here..and when the already dangerous mix of who and what Jodi is, is then combined with any number of interchangeable variables..it is that combination that leads to the fatal end result ..

IMO Travis did not create, nor did he even "bring out" those already present extremely pathological traits in Jodi Arias..they were already present and they were already lethal and they absolutely would have lead to a fatal end result with SOMEONE..if it had not been Travis Alexander, I have zero doubt that it just would have been SOMEONE else whose fate ended in death at the hands of Jodi..

Without doubt that very dangerous and lethal pathology was already long since present in Jodi Arias way before Travis Alexander ever had the misfortune of crossing paths with her.. Take away that unfortunate crossing of paths with Travis and IMO the fatal end result would still be the same, it just being someone else who would be dead by the hand of Jodi.

All moo of course

 

[marlap]

She doesn't get much of an opportunity to watch TV now. She's on lock down for 23 hours a day. We'll see how long that lasts. :seeya:

Well, let's hope the guards make sure she knows about them. I know knowing the jurors are in "her" spotlight would drive her crazy!

 

[Bada Bing]

Imagine going from the center of attention to nothing.

Does anyone here think Donovan or Ann will drive to visit her once a week? Who will she have? Darryl is on her list now for calling her a liar, disrespectful, manipulative and evil, besides he's not coming back to AZ anymore.

 

[panthera]

The more time goes on, the gladder I am that Jodi got a mistrial in the penalty phase, too many issues at the end .. but you know I really think LWOP would be the best outcome here, because DP just means more money being wasted on her, appeals, new lawyers etc etc etc .. whereas with life she just disappears into the system.

I actually believe now that is exactly what will eventually happen. The split on this jury, the ones who heard ALL of the evidence, indicates the next one may be even more divided in the sentencing phase.

The one question I do have regarding the "retrial" of the sentencing phase is this. Will the new jury hear exactly the same witnesses or will the defense be able to add more than just JA's allocation?

:waitasec:

 

[TexMex]

So watched a few episodes of "Deadly Women" this afternoon and I would like to know when Jodi will have a segment. And the foreman of the past jury should start watching the show, he would be amazed I guess.

What's Tex cooking for supper today?

Smoked brisket and chickens, potato salad, dirty rice, fried green tomatoes
Sweet Tea, Shiner Beer
Dessert is Blue Bell (MoolineumCrunch)

 

[The Farm]

The more time goes on, the gladder I am that Jodi got a mistrial in the penalty phase, too many issues at the end .. but you know I really think LWOP would be the best outcome here, because DP just means more money being wasted on her, appeals, new lawyers etc etc etc .. whereas with life she just disappears into the system.

Nahhhh, not me. This is a DP case because I want her to count the minutes until it is her turn. And she will NOT be going to heaven either.

 

[KandyKane]

Because a gun and a knife were used to brutally slaughter Travis. If they came back with no DNA, they were not usable for the prosecution. It does not mean she did not soak them in bleach or anything else before the weapons were found.

I have honestly never seen a woman kill this brutally unless they were running a home and killed for Social Security money and were twisted as heck. This is not the worst female murder I know of, but it is close. Most were never published in papers, they were local. A lot you no one knows of if it never hits t.v.

The only gun and knife that is relevant to the case is the gun and knife that killed Travis. Any other guns or knives that Jodi had have nothing to do with the case. She could have had an aresenal of guns and a kitchen full of knives but if none of them were the murder weapons (and none of them were) they've immaterial.

Why in the world should the prosecution be allowed to even mention a gun she had in her car that was not the one that killed Travis or knives in her car that were not the ones that killed Travis? Just because she had them and they were in her car doesn't have anything at all to do with the case. They're irrelevant.

Besides, it was already known that she disposed of the murder weapons somewhere on her way from Travis's house to Utah. She testified to having disposed of the gun that way, and it's logical that she also would have disposed of the knife that way not wanting either one of the murder weapons with her in case she got caught. The prosecution already had no reason to attempt to bring in the knives in her car as one of them being the possible murder weapon (the Barretta was the wrong caliber so couldn't have been), so why would they even WANT to mention the Berretta and the knives in her car when they agreed that she disposed of both weapons she used to kill Travis somewhere on her way from AZ to UT? The Berretta and knives in her car have nothing to do with the case since they weren't the murder weapons, and the prosecution AGREED that they weren't.

 

[Sleuth5]

OK, I"m trying! This one is not working well. I think I need to find a sqaure photo, lol. This one was from yesterday, but lemme go back to age 4 or 5 as that was my cute stage! lol

 

[panthera]

Does anyone here think Donovan or Ann will drive to visit her once a week? Who will she have? Darryl is on her list now for calling her a liar, disrespectful, manipulative and evil, besides he's not coming back to AZ anymore.

It is my understanding Donovan cannot have any contact with JA.

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

I find that picture funny...the small smiles on the faces of court reporter Mike and Mr. Forensic Computer Guy. Gosh, how embarrassingly funny IMO.

I found nothing funny about it at all and was disgusted with how the guy on the stand made sure to show the jury the photos as he was "looking for the evidence tag" to tell the evidence number to Willmott who "forgot" what the number was. I was even more disgusted by the fact that it clearly was NOT Travis' hands in that photo and yet the defense continued to claim that it was in fact Travis. But then I get easily disgusted by folks telling outright lies when the truth is clearly visible.

 

[Bada Bing]

Also the possibility that it may not be televised.

I hope juan gives it one more shot without TV. But he's got to ask the jurors "Can you give the death sentence to a woman." Then, whatever happens, happens.

 

[thefragile7393]

fragile! You're gorgeous!!!

? Eh? Well thank you kindly....but I think that Gilligan has a much better profile :blushing:

 

[kkdj]

wow! ja should have watched this b4 she made up the exact same story - cuz it didn't work for towery either

Well now that was interesting!
Another high IQ, another I did it but don't remember doing it!
That just sounds so dumb to me!
Juan is just so great and passionate! I'm so glad I have the honor of watching him.
p.s. I also like Mark Eiglarsh

 

[janx]

The more time goes on, the gladder I am that Jodi got a mistrial in the penalty phase, too many issues at the end .. but you know I really think LWOP would be the best outcome here, because DP just means more money being wasted on her, appeals, new lawyers etc etc etc .. whereas with life she just disappears into the system.

I agree with you, Mrs. G.

:wave:

 

[thefragile7393]

OK, I"m trying! This one is not working well. I think I need to find a sqaure photo, lol. This one was from yesterday, but lemme go back to age 4 or 5 as that was my cute stage! lol

You are a lovely young thing!

 

[Whack A Mole]

We had an 8 track too...our Dad had quite the collection including Fiddler on the Roof and the Best of British Marching bands....:floorlaugh:

And I was in the junior high version of Fiddler on the Roof and my Dad had 8 tracks of the Black Watch, because he was a piper! Small world! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[Angelina Frost]

Nahhhh, not me. This is a DP case because I want her to count the minutes until it is her turn. And she will NOT be going to heaven either.

Given that it was 8-4 and not 11-1 or even 10-2, I wonder if it's a good idea? Pretty amazing that four thought the mitigators outweighed the aggravator.

It's a gamble. I have zero feeling for the murderer and in NO way advocating for life, btw. If she got shanked in jail tomorrow I couldn't care less. I'm thinking of the Alexander Family...is it worth the pain in round 2 if you can't lock a DP verdict?

Look at the Foreman and his sippy cup of Kool-Aid. I don't know...there are so many people who are so easily taken in by complete bs. We know the truth, but no guarantee the next dozen will see it. I just want her to go the **** away for life. If LWOP will do that, so I never have to look at that chewed boot face again, that works.