SIDEBAR #8- Arias/Alexander forum

[Quester]

Arizona Supreme Court denies review in Arias case
http://www.azcentral.com/community/...a-supreme-court-denies-review-arias-case.html

 

[I Object!]

She is definitely capable of killing again. The other night, when she spent hundreds of hours giving interviews to everyone from ABC to Encyclopedia Brown to the Weekly World News, one of the questions posed to her (I have been racking my brain all day to remember which station/reporter) was, "Are you still a danger?" Her reply, "No, unless they crossed me or upset or or abused me." Or something similar. I'm hoping someone here remembers that interview so I don't need to rewatch them all to transcribe the exchange.

Hah, don't even have to click to know. I've been saying from day one, IMO she is a psychopath - textbook. My undergraduate degree and graduate degree had a lot of psychology classes and the minute I heard her talk, that was my guessestimate. The BPD diagnosis.... I'll defer to the expert Dr. D that JA is that but she is BPD with psychopathy IMO and THAT is plenty reason to not allow her to ever be able to interact with society again. She is perfectly capable of killing again and that is downright frightening.

 

[gngr~snap]

I wish the general public would wise up. Stop responding to her... Shut her out. THAT would drive her nuts.

So can every criminal charged with murder tweet ?
Twitter might want to think about their rules... The jail cannot deny her but Twitter should IMO.

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[polleypockets]

Oh I agree! My kids are 20 and 21.
I was just thinking that a juror could fault a parent...
Not that it would be the correct conclusion...

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i just can't fault the parents since we have no idea what they tried to do or how the handled all situations - as dr phil says - ppl do what they know how, when the no beter they do better - so who knows what really happened what they did and what they really knew how to do and what resouces they had - i think JA has a complicated diagnosis imo, and i think a lot of parents would be very hard pressed to know exactly what do and not to do w/ her

 

[mollyf]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEep67akIn4"]The Kinks[/ame]

 

[gngr~snap]

Hands up who thinks it's Mom .. I'll start :seeya:

Yep. JA is in her cell 23 hours a day.
Someone is keeping up with the news and responding to what is being reported.
I doubt JA. has a lot of time to discuss many tweets in her hour she is allowed out.
Moo

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[dani]

#JodiArias: "Still Beat You...Brat!" [Enhanced Audio] - YouTube

to this day - this still creeps me out!!!

Jodi's version of Charlie Sheen's "WINNING!" :gasp:

 

[elementary]

She's just been acquitted of Manslaughter ... She's Goin' to Disney World

I gotta know ... Was she in custody awaiting trial? Her hair was bleached to the nines with no roots coming through ... and she had a perfect french manicure ... Ain't no Bertha in the cell block doin' that stuff. She was wearing about a thousand bucks worth of clothes and jewelry in court ... So much for looking sympathetic. Get chitfaced shoot your BF admit to doing it in a drunken stupor ON VIDEO .... and go to Disney World... Floriduh. :facepalm:

She has shown no remorse, no grief.

 

[kscornfed]

That's not right. The writer didn't fully understand the law. Because finding they were subject to a sudden passion, in Texas, reduces murder one to murder two, in essence. But it's still murder, not manslaughter.

I think kind of a general breakdown for these types of crimes across the board would be something close to this:

1st degree murder: Planning involved and/or a death occurs during the commission of a certain felony like a violent robbery, rape or child abuse.

Second degree murder - A particularly horrible killing with a gun or knife or bat that occurs as a result of a sudden rage. They kind of mean to kill or hurt really badly but there is no prior planning. These are typically pretty gory killings and jodi's might have fit this somewhat if not for the serious premeditation involved. However, the savagery and prolonged nature of the killing, as well as the fact that she killed him three different ways starts looking less like second degree. Second degree murder is often quite bloody but not necessarily as extreme as what jodi did here.

Voluntary manslaughter - Russian roulette/speeding or driving dangerously while driving drunk/leaving a baby in a hot car because you were in a hotel room doing drugs

Involuntary homicide or criminally negligent homicide - leaving a loaded gun in reach of a child/driving drunk or under the influence but not grossly so/leaving a baby in a hot car because you were in a hurry and forgot.

These are just some examples. I agree , it can be confusing.

Thanks, Gitana. I do know the jury found "sudden passion" in the penalty phase, which is why she could only get 20 years. Would that be the TX version of AZ's mitigating factor then?

 

[Hatfield]

Ive had time to try to digest the non-verdict and it aint happening. I keep regurgitating it up.

I just think the Jury did not realize they would just be passing the buck to either another jury or the judge. If they had realized it, I believe they would have tried harder to come to a concensus.

If they truly would never have been able to come to an agreement, then I am of the opinion that certain jurors were not honest with themselves in being able to give the death penalty. Because this case sure called for it IMO.

The remaining choices are grim:
- The Defense will never accept a LWOP plea agreement, and so
- unless the DA is willing to try this again, there is no chance of her getting the DP.
- If the DA gives it to the judge, I dont have faith in the existing judge giving her LWOP

So, it seems to me that the DA had better try this phase again. If the family wants them to.

 

[lil_buddy]

But I find psychology to be very nebulous and without too many specific lines. Thus in psychology, if it "feels" abusive, it is abuse. And if you go with that definition for abuse, anything can be considered abusive: "He refused to pick up my calls after we just had sex. It made me feel uncomfortable and used." Eg.

this is what makes jodi's interview
where she says (paraphrasing) that she would never kill again unless she were being "abused"
very scary.

 

[gngr~snap]

i just can't fault the parents since we have no idea what they tried to do or how the handled all situations - as dr phil says - ppl do what they know how, when the no beter they do better - so who knows what really happened what they did and what they really knew how to do and what resouces they had - i think JA has a complicated diagnosis imo, and i think a lot of parents would be very hard pressed to know exactly what do and not to do w/ her

I cannot fault them either.
I certainly would not find that a reason to not give her the dp
but... I am just talking. I was not on the jury and really have no idea what Id do.

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[JusticeJunkie]

JODI ARIAS





2 HOURS AGO - Kansas City Star

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Arizona Supreme Court denies review in Arias case
The Arizona Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal on whether a judge improperly allowed prosecutors to seek a death sentence for Jodi Arias in the 2008 stabbing and shooting of her former boyfriend.

 

[Really?]

I've always thought that too - that she either threatened to blackmail him with it or she actually revealed it to the Bishop to get him in trouble with the church.

I seem to recall that the nice lady who was his former GF, with whom he had relations, she said that they confessed to the bishop and that one transgression of the rule of celibacy was bad enough but a 2nd would have been much worse. Does anyone else recall that testimony? If Jodi threatened to rat him out to the Bishop that would have gotton him into real serious trouble with the church. I am less sure that PPL would care that much.

Aw shucks....Jodi? Would she be so vengeful ? Yup. She would do it in a heartbeat. I am in agreement that she used this tape in one way or another. Just to have over his head.

Dayum girl...he didn't want you anymore. Period. We've all been there. Done that. We cried, wondered why...then moved on.

I still can't believe she didn't come to her senses some where along that drive to Mesa. Yeah, she was gonna kill someone eventually.

Moo

 

[Sleuth5]

Is that a quote from her allocution? I'm thinking she's still grating over the fact that numerous reporters called her out for not saying sorry when she was doing her show and tell presentation ..

Oh, didn't you hear, Mrs. G? She said she was sorry, or thought she did, and said she was sorry for not saying it if she didn't, but that it wouldn't do any good to say it now, because it's just words, and anyway she did, or thought so, and wow, she didn't know we were all haters.

 

[katydid23]

No no no no no. I am older than your parents. You are talking ageism. I am appalled by the younger generations' disrespectful, unaesthetic view and major attitude when it comes to humans in their communications, but that has nothing to do with how people are socialised and their lack of critical thinking. This happens in every generation.

It's about REASON. This has nothing to do with age.

I am not talking ageism. I am saying that my parents generation had too much respect for women to accept that there is ANY CONTEXT that those vile names and insults are okay. That is not ageism. But times have changed. I don't think Travis was an abuser, but he did call her some very cruel and mean names and was very insulting.So I understand why my parents think he was verbally abusive and he used her for sex. I think they are wrong, but they are pretty adamant because of their moral convictions that no one deserves to be called vicious names like that. But I think he was at the end of his rope and had found out some awful things she had planned to do to him. JMO

 

[Sleuth5]

For you, Molly.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESfBkTPmrrg"]Elton John - Elderberry Wine - live Hammersmith 1973 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[polleypockets]

Oh, didn't you hear, Mrs. G? She said she was sorry, or thought she did, and said she was sorry for not saying it if she didn't, but that it wouldn't do any good to say it now, because it's just words, and anyway she did, or thought so, and wow, she didn't know we were all haters.

it was the reporters fault for not having the transcripts during her interviews :scared:

 

[katydid23]

JODI ARIAS


2 HOURS AGO - Kansas City Star

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Arizona Supreme Court denies review in Arias case
The Arizona Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal on whether a judge improperly allowed prosecutors to seek a death sentence for Jodi Arias in the 2008 stabbing and shooting of her former boyfriend.

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[JusticeJunkie]

May 29



The Associated Press


PHOENIX — The Arizona Supreme Court on Wednesday declined to hear an appeal on whether a judge improperly allowed prosecutors to seek a death sentence for Jodi Arias in the 2008 stabbing and shooting of her former boyfriend

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/05/29/4262858/arizona-supreme-court-denies-review.html#storylink=cpy