Sidebar Discussion #8

[krkrjx]

I agree with your post. I do believe there is something going on especially since KC is due to be released in August. If he could manage to get GA enraged some may see GA as the evil molesting, murdering dad. Hope that is not what JB is trying to do but JB like KC seems to lack scruples..and I am being nice..

Yup. But I fear something even more sinister. Like maybe JB hopes to drive George to suicide. And then JB would say it proves that George was a molester who couldn't live with what he has done to his daughter and granddaugher.

This situation could become way uglier than it is now if someone doesn't step up to the plate and challenge the spew, IMO.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Not going to happen...both the LE and the SA cleared them of any hint of it before the verdict - sticks and stones..etc.

DCF hasn't cleared them? You don't think DCF would want to do a thorough investigation as to any children being allowed in the home with accused pedophiles? I can hope, at least, that they would have to suffer the consequences of their acceptance of the lies?

 

[Aedrys]

I don't think it matters one bit if George comes out (AGAIN!) and denies the claims. People are going to believe what they want to believe...the DT should be thanking those people 'cause as you pointed out, if it weren't for their chatter on the web, there'd be one less defense Jose could latch on to. I remember when the conversation started to pop up here...and bless those mods for putting the kabosh on a lot of the discussion (discussion that IMO started elsewhere and was brought over here to gauge our reaction). George didn't molest Casey. I think it was quite obvious how Casey felt towards her father (a Jobs for Dummies book comes to mind)...but it had nothing to do with imaginary abuse, IMPO. George did not discard Caylee like trash. In the beginning what he did do (along with his wife) was try to protect his daughter with even more lies. He knew Caylee was gone...he smelled the car.
JMHO

Hi everyone! I've been around, mostly reading. I even took a vacation in Clearwater, Florida this past week, which is in Pinellas County. I am proud to report I did not lose any brain cells and still think Casey is guilty as sin.

Getting back to your post, RR004, You have a good point here. It wouldn't matter if he did come out. I don't think Cindy would let him anyway, LOL.

But getting serious, it still bothers me. I guess to me, him remaining silent and letting Casey do this to him over and over just makes me feel like he's willing to sacrfice himself, his life, for her. He's willing to let the lies go on and let people think he is this horrible person. I guess I just don't get him not wanting to stand up for himself. It's like he's continuing to give Casey the power over that whole family. He's unwilling to stand up to her lies. It just bothers me, is all. How far would she have to go for him to do anything? Or is he eternally silent, never standing up to the women in his life, no matter what they say about him?

I wish he'd sue Casey and Baez for slander. Maybe even Mason too. Maybe his court case might not go anywhere, but at least it would say that he does NOT agree with what any of them have said about him. It would be a sign that he is NOT okay with being destroyed over and over to keep making Casey a victim instead of Caylee. It just galls me that Caylee is long forgotten, and Casey's lies still live on, and no one has the gonads to stand up and at least try to shut Casey up. I know I am beyond tired of hearing the same old lies and carp from her. I wish she would disappear and take her lies with her.

I'm sorry, but one statement through his lawyer, not him speaking but his lawyer, just isn't enough, not when Baez publishes a book slandering George, and anyone who supports Casey keeps slandering George. It just sickens me that he allows this to continue, allowing Casey to continue to lie her way to whatever she wants. She'll continue to get people to support her with those molestation lies. That's her new con, you wait and see, and she'll get what she wants because some people will be gullible enough to believe her. It just makes me so SICK.

And maybe even if he did say something, it wouldn't help. I don't know. But it's his choice to not say anything and let these horrible accusations remain out there. I guess he's still playing his role as the Anthony family fall guy after all this time. Or maybe he thinks ignoring her will make it go away, but ignoring her only makes her talk more from what I have seen. She will NOT go away. I hate it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Matt Morgan ‏@MattMorganESQ
Just filed interrogatories to find out how much money #CaseyAnthony has receieved from the #CayleeMarieAnthonyTrust

This will be most interesting........ I assume this "Trust" is the same as the recently-dissolved Caylee's Fund? but would they have written a check directly to FCA? I hardly think so, but maybe this will trigger some financial records to be publicly available from that Fund, maybe see the "actual" Phil donation?? I can't wait to see how the money in that Fund was "hidden" here and there and everywhere.......

I want to see this!! Can they get in trouble if they just took all the money out and didn't use one penny on this "foundation?" They just can't claim all the money as salary, can they?

 

[NavySubMom]

What do we think is being done with all of those notes CA was writing during the trial? I am sure she has notebooks full of her thoughts and has journaled for the past 4 years, I thought in anticipation of her book?

Is this one of the reasons why the A's have been so silent since the Phil interview? I know the upcoming civil suits, they will most likely testify so they can't really be off shooting their mouths as in the past,

or, is GA being SILENT right now about all of these accusations, because CA/GA, alone or combined, will be hawking THEIR MEMOIRS when the time is right for the Big Granddollars? I think CA/GA book, separate or alone, or a CA book with some of GA's thoughts, would actually be picked up by a big-name publishing house and they would sell more books than JB's book. MAYBE they are being silent, because it will be more $$$$ later than if they spill the beans now??

Is that maybe why GA isn't saying anything at the moment? why give it up for free now when it can be paid for later?

Just trying to figure some things out. I DO KNOW that the PROBATION has put the kibosh on FCA's Million Dollar Interview which she may have been able to get right after the trial, and also now the CIVIL TRIALS will keep her quiet for 6+ more months,

do CA/GA ALSO have to keep quiet for 6+ months? I fully expect to see a book/memoir from CA at least, maybe these GA molestation allegations will be addressed in that book? CAN CA even be truthful? Yikes, so many questions surrounding this whole nightmare.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

You know what I want George to do? I want George to challenge them publicly! I wish he would go on a national television show, without Cindy, and challenge Casey, Jose, and Cheney! Tell them to press charges against him! File a civil lawsuit against him! At least let him have a way to defend himself against these vile accusations! If they don't do either of those things, then they need to stop making this accusations!

That is what I want George to do, but he won't because I am even more convinced that he was in on the whole scheme from jump!

I totally agree with you LolaMoon. But I just realized, we are projecting. We are wanting George to do what we would do in this situation as an innocent person.

So....IMHO...he is either guilty as charged by Jose and daughter (which I don't believe), or he was in on it (which I strongly believe).

Yes, LG, he denied it in court. What was he supposed to do? admit it on national TV and in a court of law? I guess if, as I believe, he was "falling on his sword for his daughter" he could have plunged it in and committed suicide for real by saying "yes, I did it". But IMHO he said what he had to say on the matter there in court, in order to create doubt for the jury, and NOT BE PROSECUTED by admitting in court that he was guilty as charged by Jose.

I DO NOT believe he molested his daughter, but I DO believe he played into the fairytale defense. Just to save his daughter from the death penalty, and more importantly, to avoid the wrath of Cindy.

ETA: It also explains, in my mind anyway, why he WON'T do something now - go on TV to refute what is being written and spewed by Jose. IF he, in fact, was part of the defense team strategy willingly, how can he now say "Oh Jose, you are lying so shut up." All Jose would have to do is say "you agreed to this"....

 

[Ricki]

I so agree with your first paragraph ...and then what do you think would happen - I mean beyond that first step.......a serious question which I do not have an answer for..

I've had so many life lessons in consequences because I'm a bit of a hothead - that I've learned to ask myself - uh-huh ..and then what would happen.....

Even if he wanted to try to clear his name I don't think he has a Rats A$$ of a chance. Who would stick up for him. Not Cindy. IMO Cindy loves KC more than she loves GA. KC would not tell the truth,and I doubt if Lee would. They would probably drag Lee through the mud. So who does he have?

 

[logicalgirl]

One thing that I do wish would happen is that these "molestation" accusations haunt George, Cindy, and Lee forever! All because of darling Casey! I hope that if Lee is to ever have any children that DCF harrasses him about these accusations made by Casey! I hope that because George has also been accused that any grandchildren they may have will not be allowed to visit him. I also hope since Casey accused Cindy of knowing about the abuse and calling her a w**** and allowing it to continue, that Cindy is also not allowed to have any contact with grandchildren!

They want to play this game and allow Casey to continue to lie about them in the most vile way? Then they can deal with the consequences!

MOO

The thing is LolaMoon - and I am not trying to discredit your feelings or belief systems at all - so I say this very respectfully.....

The thing is - George made his initial statement to the LE and was pretty frank that he thought FCA was responsible - and he also said please tell me first if you find anything because this is going to kill Cindy.
Immediately after that or at the same time - the world exploded around them or should I say "at them" - right down to protestors screaming baby killer etc outside of their house night and day and the media closed in.

Again not being judgemental - just stating evidence we know. So okay at this point - to the outside world George chose to STFU to spare CA who insisted Caylee was still alive. Although we know from Padilla's accounts and from George's friend who was there that he acted quite different to FCA while she was out on bail.

Then he gave his depo to the SA and that's all she wrote. Sure he could have stood up any day after that and declared that FCA was guilty and be sittig in jail on a perjury charge which Baez would have forced. Or anything George said Baez would have discredited by holding up his original depo.

That's what people forget - he had to stick to that depo at trial. And I've never seen anyone who is called a pedophile or a child abuser or an a person who is guilty of incest and says he did't do it or he's innocent - be believed. We all think that person is guilty.

I think he made a disasterous choice at the beginning of all this. Once he walked out of his orginal interview with the LE, he should have told CA to put a plug in it and stood his ground. Sadly, he didn't.

 

[logicalgirl]

I totally agree with you LolaMoon. But I just realized, we are projecting. We are wanting George to do what we would do in this situation as an innocent person.

So....IMHO...he is either guilty as charged by Jose and daughter (which I don't believe), or he was in on it (which I strongly believe).

Yes, LG, he denied it in court. What was he supposed to do? admit it on national TV and in a court of law? I guess if, as I believe, he was "falling on his sword for his daughter" he could have plunged it in and committed suicide for real by saying "yes, I did it". But IMHO he said what he had to say on the matter there in court, in order to create doubt for the jury, and NOT BE PROSECUTED by admitting in court that he was guilty as charged by Jose.

I DO NOT believe he molested his daughter, but I DO believe he played into the fairytale defense. Just to save his daughter from the death penalty, and more importantly, to avoid the wrath of Cindy.

ETA: It also explains, in my mind anyway, why he WON'T do something now - go on TV to refute what is being written and spewed by Jose. IF he, in fact, was part of the defense team strategy willingly, how can he now say "Oh Jose, you are lying so shut up." All Jose would have to do is say "you agreed to this"....

Respect all of your opinion but question your last bbm statement....are you kidding me? That would be it? Can you even imagine the firestorm in the media if George stepped up and made that statement to Jose and he made a statement back. Zowie!!!

 

[Mysteeri]

OH EM GEE

I had no idea that site existed. Who owns/runs it?????

I don`t know- a "SP"? Someone called her site brilliant, Lol. Don`t shoot me but I didn`t even get angry reading the comments, I just feel sad for these people who imo are not "playing with a full deck" or are simply badly misled.

 

[logicalgirl]

Darn...:maddening: Lunch time over - see y'all later. I'd really like to come back and find someone has written a whole scenario from stepping up to the mike for George to what happens until it's over.

Yes, we're all angry at George - enough so that some of us suspect he was in on a coverup. But we never do anything except comment over and over again. I'd like to hear some and then..and then.....and then...

Later my friends...:seeya:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

[/B]

Respect all of your opinion but question your last bbm statement....are you kidding me? That would be it? Can you even imagine the firestorm in the media if George stepped up and made that statement to Jose and he made a statement back. Zowie!!!

LOL! Not that's not it. I just don't have it in me this late in the day...LOLOLOL! Where's taht ROFL emoticon - my thingy is not working.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Darn...:maddening: Lunch time over - see y'all later. I'd really like to come back and find someone has written a whole scenario from stepping up to the mike for George to what happens until it's over.

Yes, we're all angry at George - enough so that some of us suspect he was in on a coverup. But we never do anything except comment over and over again. I'd like to hear some and then..and then.....and then...

Later my friends...:seeya:

Just to be clear...I don't suspect him of covering up a crime. I suspect him of going along with that preposterous OS which was a lie.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I don`t know- a "SP"? Someone called her site brilliant, Lol. Don`t shoot me but I didn`t even get angry reading the comments, I just feel sad for these people who imo are not "playing with a full deck" or are simply badly misled.

LOL. I actually found that site for the first time yesterday. At least it serves some purpose. It has a lot of videos and documents from the trial, etc. LOL.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

And I'm leaving now since the last 4 posts are mine. I look like a hog. L8tr

 

[Intermezzo]

Call me confused, but I still see Jose on his wish list: :waitasec:
Amazon.com: Profile for Ron Manta
Amazon.com: Jose Baez: Wish List

Karma, go back to the link below, (that you provided)
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On that web page go take a look at this heading halfway down the page

Customers Who Bought Items in This Wish List Also Bought

And then take a look at the other books purchased...some on Opening and Closing Arguments, DNA , and one I that really caught my eye...a book called "Theatre Tips and Strategies for Jury Trials"

 

[ZsaZsa]

I totally agree with you LolaMoon. But I just realized, we are projecting. We are wanting George to do what we would do in this situation as an innocent person.

So....IMHO...he is either guilty as charged by Jose and daughter (which I don't believe), or he was in on it (which I strongly believe).

Yes, LG, he denied it in court. What was he supposed to do? admit it on national TV and in a court of law? I guess if, as I believe, he was "falling on his sword for his daughter" he could have plunged it in and committed suicide for real by saying "yes, I did it". But IMHO he said what he had to say on the matter there in court, in order to create doubt for the jury, and NOT BE PROSECUTED by admitting in court that he was guilty as charged by Jose.

I DO NOT believe he molested his daughter, but I DO believe he played into the fairytale defense. Just to save his daughter from the death penalty, and more importantly, to avoid the wrath of Cindy.

ETA: It also explains, in my mind anyway, why he WON'T do something now - go on TV to refute what is being written and spewed by Jose. IF he, in fact, was part of the defense team strategy willingly, how can he now say "Oh Jose, you are lying so shut up." All Jose would have to do is say "you agreed to this"....

I think that sooner or later, once FCA has turned against Baez - which I am sure she will eventually do- that GA will call the media and say " It was not my daughter making those accusations, I knew that - all that came from Baez, it was his idea and at that time Baez had her life in his hands, so we all went along fearing he would leave her to the death penalty if we spoke out"...
"Since my daughter has now seen the light and is no longer under the control
of this sleazy guy we can finally tell the truth... and make your checks payable to GA please".

 

[bayouland]

Let's not forget... they smashed that baby's skull by using a walmart saw to open it
I remember when I first heard about this. My thoughts were, how could a mother do that to her baby AND on Christmas eve Caylee had been through so much & now they were doing THIS to her too? Can I say I hate them all!!!!!!

Baez is awfully insensitive and crude to confess that he was out shopping for hacksaws to open Caylee's skull whenever it was.

It doesn't matter to me whether it was Christmas Eve, Christmas Day or Easter. This is not something that he should have put in his book.

I guess he has the same attitude as Cindy, after all Caylee was just a shell. :banghead::banghead:

Poor baby Caylee - :tears:

 

[Ricki]

If GA did indeed fell on the sword to prevent her from getting the DP, and he did want to clear his name, is he obligated to JB not say anything about being (in on it)? I would love to see him just tell JB to take a hike and out him if this is the case because it is getting out of control...but like I said in my last post, he really does not have anyone to back him.

And about the alleged allocations of molestation, Cindy pretty much controlled what went on in that house. I am sure she had eyes everywhere. If she kicked GA out of the house for running up a gambling bill(or whatever it was) why wouldn't people think she wouldn't kick GA out for molestation. JB said it all started when KC was 8yrs. I can not even imagine Cindy not catching on if it was true. Which I feel it is not true at all.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Well, I'm waiting to see how long Baez' media tour lasts. If he keeps being asked the same questions and he gives the same answers, it won't last long.

I think any extended talk about George, pro or con any action he could take is only feeding into Baez recent feeding frenzy.

The man has a fierce temper, I'm sure he's doing everything he can not to lash out in public at this point. IMHO