Sidebar Discussion #8

[katydid23]

So George was abusing Casey since she was 8 yrs old, so Casey then lets him babysit her little girl every morning, and change her diapers and bathe her?

Once I was old enough to flee the area, I NEVER hung around my abuser again. And there was no way in hell I would have ever let my uncle babysit my kids.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I do not believe JB believes it was an accident and he doesn't believe the molestation story. Come on, JB and fca were deep inside each others heads. (no pun intended) Remember during Jury selection when JB told her to stop acting like a two year old. The next day he didn't sit next to her. He ignored her, she peeked at him with sad eyes etc. They acted like a couple in the midst of a divorce, when one knows everything about the other person and can't stand them, hates them, wants to get the divorce (trial) business over and get away from them.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/jose-baez-admonishes-casey-and-keeps-his-distance-from-her-on-day-2-while-casey-appears-entertained-by-jury-selection/
BAEZ ALLEGEDLY TELLS CASEY TO NOT ACT LIKE A 2 YEAR OLD AS SHE CRIES


VIDEO
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJZSWG3lUcI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJZSWG3lUcI[/ame]

 

[TorisMom003]

Here's what I believe.

I believe that Casey was NEVER molested by anyone, at anytime. Not George, not Lee, not anyone. Casey was a "" because Casey was a "". Period.

I believe that George has never, in all of his years of marriage to Cindy, had possession of his own balls. They have always, and will always, remained in Cindy's purse.

I believe that Jose, Mason and the rest of the defense team has always known that Casey was NEVER molested by George or "felt up" by Lee. This was simply a way to gain sympathy for Casey while turn hatred towards George and use him as a way to have her get a lesser sentence.

I believe that Jose, Mason and the rest of the defense team were completely shocked that Casey walked away with only 4 counts of lies to the police as her guilty counts. They fully expected at least child endangerment and more than likely 2nd degree murder.

I believe that Cindy has NEVER been in denial about Caylee's death and Casey being the one that killed her. Cindy KNEW in that 3rd 911 call that Caylee was dead. Cindy suspected when she and George smelled the trunk of the Pontiac but she definately knew for sure when Casey finally broke her silence and spoke to Lee.

I believe that George was the only one in that immediate family that truly loved Caylee. Unfortunately he didn't love her enough to stand up against Casey, Cindy, Jose and the rest of the defense team. Cindy and Casey used Caylee as a pawn between the two of them. Caylee was "loved" in public or when it suited them.

I believe that Jose had better cover his arse well because the time is coming when he feels the full wrath of Casey. If she does not get what she wants, be it money, fame, whatever, she will turn on him and claim that he also molested her. But then in my mind he really does deserve it sooooo, Casey hurry up and get busy making those claims now.

I believe that there are a lot of sick people in the world that can not think for themselves and can not read nor find the correct information about not only this case but countless others. I hope that those people wake up, smell the coffee, open their eyes and begin to think for themselves. The information is out there. The REAL information that is. God help them if they decide that they enjoy or prefer to be deaf, dumb, blind and stupid because the rest of us humans won't be able to help them ourselves.

MOO

ETA: I also believe that ANJ has really struck a nerve with "some" people on "some" site! I also believe that ANJ is not playing nice. You know it is never nice to tease, taunt or whatever you want to call it to people that are "somewhat special".

 

[krkrjx]

...in Cindy's purse?

Oh, my.

 

[bayouland]

Hi Bayou,
BBM I disagree, not being snarky at all. I respect your opinion. Have you ever lost someone really close to you? I can understand his feeling of wanting to be with Caylee. I don't think there is anything odd about it. I would never commit suicide, but after the loss of a child the pain is so bad you aren't thinking clearly and I can see why he would try. JMO

Please, I don't take your reply as snarky at all and I thank you for responding. Please feel free to disagree with me anytime.

I can understand wanting to be with your dead child but it seems over the top for a grandparent to attempt suicide, at least to me. Maybe, and I am willing to give him this benefit of a doubt, he felt Caylee was the only person who really loved him. Who knows.

Yes, I admit I am at odds at my own feelings on George. Part of me has deep sympathy for him, respects the obvious love he had for his granddaughter and also respect the fact that if it weren't for his grand jury testimony, Casey might not have been even indicted.

On the flip side, he seems very suspicious to me. If I can tread lightly, he "looks" and "acts" guilty. Guilty of what??? I haven't the foggiest. LOL. I know he lied about the gas cans and the tape. Maybe that was because he was afraid he was being framed. He lied about ZG but I don't blame him for that, who is going to confess to an affair in open court?

My only obstacle in believing George and I want to, I really do is the attempted suicide. I think it was phony baloney and/or an attention getting prank.

Sorry we don't agree, but thanks for lending me your ear!

 

[LinTX]

Saw mention of Ashton's account of how GA/CA learned of the molestation charges on another board, so I read that section of Ashton's book again. This might be where JB/CM screwed up, and where they can be sued. JB and CM tell the same story, as first hand witnesses...not as something FCA told them. And not only do they tell the story they draw conclusions about George's guilt based on his supposed non-reaction.

According to JA, it was actually Lippman himself who told them about the molestation charges initially. It was in the SA's offices after the SA's told Lippman about the allegations privately and let him decide how to tell them. JA had gone to Lippman with questions about a statement Lippman had made in the press, JA thinking it had to do with the allegations. That's when the SA's learned that JB had only told Cindy that Caylee died at home, and had lied to her about the state investigating GA. But they knew nothing about the molestation charges from JB. Actually, JB tried to stop the A's hearing it - he called Perry because the depositions had been sealed. JA describes both of their reactions to this news - they were still very upset and angry when JA and LDB came into the room after Lippman talked with them privately. Said GA looked like he'd been crying and CA was angry - both denied it vehemently and CA wondered 'what was wrong with her'...

Lippman might not be able to bring a lawsuit for them, since he was party to the incident, but he could sure testify as to what really happened. Now I suppose JB's answer would be that he was talking about the time he and CM told GA, but in telling the story he indicated this was the first time GA heard about it, right? He knows that's a slanderous lie, but so do Lippman, Belvin Perry, 3 SA's and the Anthony's. Who to believe?

 

[TorisMom003]

Please, I don't take your reply as snarky at all and I thank you for responding. Please feel free to disagree with me anytime.

I can understand wanting to be with your dead child but it seems over the top for a grandparent to attempt suicide, at least to me. Maybe, and I am willing to give him this benefit of a doubt, he felt Caylee was the only person who really loved him. Who knows.

Yes, I admit I am at odds at my own feelings on George. Part of me has deep sympathy for him, respects the obvious love he had for his granddaughter and also respect the fact that if it weren't for his grand jury testimony, Casey might not have been even indicted.

On the flip side, he seems very suspicious to me. If I can tread lightly, he "looks" and "acts" guilty. Guilty of what??? I haven't the foggiest. LOL. I know he lied about the gas cans and the tape. Maybe that was because he was afraid he was being framed. He lied about ZG but I don't blame him for that, who is going to confess to an affair in open court?

My only obstacle in believing George and I want to, I really do is the attempted suicide. I think it was phony baloney and/or an attention getting prank.

Sorry we don't agree, but thanks for lending me your ear!

Here's what I see with George. Yes, he looks and acts guilty because he feels guilty. Not because of anything he did with Casey or ZG or anyone else but because of what he DIDN'T do with Casey. George and Cindy both knew that Casey was not working but was pretending to be working. George and Cindy both knew that Casey was stealing money from not only them but anyone else that she could. George and Cindy knew that it was a problem back when Casey was still in school but NEITHER did anything about it.

Fast forward to after Caylee is born. George wants to confront Casey about all of the things that they have been letting her get away with. After all Casey now needs to be a responsible adult and parent. George has had enough and has decided that he is going to put a stop to it all. The only problem is Cindy says NO. Cindy puts a stop to George. George decides to let Cindy have the last say (thus the reason I say he has NEVER had possession of his own balls) and leaves the situation alone. What happens then? Casey does the unthinkable, she kills Caylee.

Now, most parents would say that their child needs to face the music and pay for their crime. Not Cindy and George though. Cindy demands that they continue to lie and cover for Casey. George does what he has always done and agrees. I can only imagine what kind of inner turmoil George goes through on a daily basis. He picked his sick, twisted, deranged daughter over his precious, beautiful grand-daughter. He may as well have killed Caylee himself since he has not EVER stood up for her. That is something that George has to live with. That is something that will drive a sane person to attempt suicide. But that's on George.

MOO

 

[okiedokietoo]

Also----- Mason saying he didn't know nuttin about the OS and distancing himself etc etc is bull. LKB was on the "48 Hours Mystery" show in April 2011, before trial, and started the "Casey" lies routine. She was an ex-attorney, if she wasn't told/asked to say this by current defense we would have heard them screaming. If she knew, then CM knew what was coming - they all knew the "Casey lied because she was molested" defense was coming.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/04/casey-anthony-48-hours-mystery-makes-news-in-a-troubling-way.html
Casey Anthony: ‘48 Hours Mystery’ makes news in a troubling way
halboedeker on April, 19 2011 9:09 AM

On “48 Hours Mystery,” former defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden described Anthony as a liar who made up the story about the nanny taking the toddler. Kenney Baden’s comments have raised ethical issues about attorney-client privilege.


On that point, DeForest said, “Anthony’s defense team has not yet confirmed whether they gave former defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden permission to say all those things on national television. But presumably she knows that such comments might violate attorney-client privilege unless Anthony gave the OK.”

Presumably is such an interesting way to put it. The big question: Was she just shooting off her mouth or was it planned that she would say those things?

In late news Monday, WKMG reported that Anthony’s lawyers had turned over some of the station’s 2008 footage of George Anthony to prosecutors. The footage shows George with duct tape that apparently matches duct tape found with his granddaughter’s remains. The defense’s action seems to suggest they will use the WKMG footage at trial to defend Casey Anthony, DeForest said, adding, “but how they plan to use it remains unclear.”

fyi ok ok I know we all know all of this but I appear to be having flashbacks of some sort and can't stop, again...

 

[Justin Tyme]

Does anybody have an idea or thought as to why Baez would put so many obvious "lies" "mistruths", etc. into his book, I didn't read it, have no desire to, all of the relevant blurbs have been reported on/leaked, but there are many that are verified as incorrect by discovery documents and videotapes!

Foremost for me: WHY would he write that FCA said "Oh well, Oh well" when EVERYONE knows she said "Surprise, Surprise" when Cindy told her in the jailhouse video the newest story was that Caylee drowned in the pool?

That video was played OVER and OVER and OVER by MSM, pasted on blogs, forums, etc., after hearing Jose's opening statement. It was everywhere, many people familiar with this case use it as an interjection all the time when commenting on something FCA-related! It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE I think that she said Surprise, Surprise, even by people NOT so familiar with everything FCA, don't you think?

For the life of me, I can't figure out why he would publish such a blatant "mistruth" ... ideas anyone?? He HAD to have done it on purpose????

IMO, MOO, etc.

I'm sure that others before me will or have agreed with why I think that he's doing this. Reason being is that he's trying to recoup her image for that BIG pay day that they all want with her first interview. As it stands, no one wants to pay her the BIG bucks for more lies. My question to him is what is he thinking? He lies too. (example:Oh well, Oh well!/ Surprise, Surprise!)I keep thinking that he's really fighting a lost cause. We felt that way with the trial and he won as he would word it. What he fails to realise is that we THE PUBLIC are not the P-12 and we've had ample time to examine everything that he's put out in the media. We read and seen everything from the beginning until now. He is truly making matters worse for he and his client.

 

[TorisMom003]

...in Cindy's purse?

Oh, my.

Yep. Right there next to her huge pack of gum!

 

[miss plum]

I am once again having a moment of stark horror that a jury of 12 people, purportedly acting in good faith, went along with this rambling and callous nonsense. I just cannot comprehend it. How did they ever arrive at their verdict if they were acting in good faith??? Among the millions who closely watched this trial and surveyed the evidence very few have believed the DT version of events, and they are a random and scattered bunch, yet 100% of the people in the jury room went along with it. What is the true story of this jury??? Mere stupidity and laziness cannot account for their decision IMO.

 

[Pattymarie]

What I wish for is that someone in some form of authority could step in and fix all that is wrong with this case. I know that is impossible but I just can't believe that in our great country that such immorality has and keeps occuring in this never-ending debacle. There oughta be some laws to punish murder, lying, perjury, thievery, libel, slander and profiteering.

 

[okiedokietoo]

isn't it totally bizarre how this just keeps going and going. And it's not over, ZG case aside, it feels like there is something on the horizon, and it's something dark. JB will be officially called out or A's brought in to court or sued or oh, well I guess it could be something "dark" and still be entertaining...

 

[atthelake]

I agree with you Ricki. Cindy would have castrated him if he did anything close to that. Why would anyone believe anything It or Baez says!! FCA lies about everything except the molestation. Come on?? I



MaryAnn .. I have afew VERY LONG TERM frinds here at WS who think that GA may be guilty of some sort of "hinky" stuff. I do NOT agree with them, but I do respect their views.


That is what I do really like here at WS ... in that we all have the same objective FOR CAYLEE

 

[TorisMom003]

Casey will reoffend. Trust me, this chick thinks that she is so special since she got away with killing Caylee so she will do something again. It might not be murder this next time, but it will be something. Heck, maybe she will even murder again. I have always believed that if a person can kill their own child they can kill anyone. It may not be next year or even the year after that but it will happen.

MOO

 

[ZsaZsa]

I agree with you. And I think that George knew deep down that Casey had something to do with Caylee's death. So he not only lost his precious granddaughter but he also 'lost' his daughter who he loved.

Remember when Tracy was baby sitting FCA and she woke up to a shouting match between GA and FCA- at that time he said "I'm not going to keep living this lie" ( not confronting FCA and pretending for Cindy's sake that Caylee was out there) .

He made the choice to keep living the lie.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Casey will reoffend. Trust me, this chick thinks that she is so special since she got away with killing Caylee so she will do something again. It might not be murder this next time, but it will be something. Heck, maybe she will even murder again. I have always believed that if a person can kill their own child they can kill anyone. It may not be next year or even the year after that but it will happen.

MOO

At the very least she is driving without a license. We may soon find out she has lied about her income while on probation. She has always lied and always will.

 

[krkrjx]

I am once again having a moment of stark horror that a jury of 12 people, purportedly acting in good faith, went along with this rambling and callous nonsense. I just cannot comprehend it. How did they ever arrive at their verdict if they were acting in good faith??? Among the millions who closely watched this trial and surveyed the evidence very few have believed the DT version of events, and they are a random and scattered bunch, yet 100% of the people in the jury room went along with it. What is the true story of this jury??? Mere stupidity and laziness cannot account for their decision IMO.

Not only were the 12 incredibly obtuse, but one of the alternates stated he would use this case in his classroom to show his students our Constitution at work.

For me that alternate's statement was pretty high on the Yikes Meter!

 

[atthelake]

I actually called in sick. I have been having weird arm pain the last few days - yes, of course it has to be the left arm. I think it is pinched nerve in cervical disk, or by rotator cuff but it kept me up all night. At least I don't have to call again till Wed night. I will be so happy when July 31 comes. I don't mind doing jury duty, or sitting on a case but this is too long a time to be living day to day based on a call after 5 the night before.

Just keep in mind you maybe a deciding juror on a trial such as a trial for Caylee!
lease:

 

[krkrjx]

Where can Harassment play in that scenario? JB can't deny or KC because it is no secret what they are insinuating. It's for public consumption.

For George to take any action that would have any effect, he would need a highly respected professional (perhaps more than one) willing to speak out on his behalf. And even then it would be an uphill battle--just look at what Zenaida and her attorneys are having to go through.

I have tried to put myself emotionally in George's position as this muck is being spewed and ya know--if it were me in this situation I am not sure I would have the strength emotionally or physically to see it through. And George starting something and not seeing it to the finish might in the end be worse than doing nothing.

There is an abundance of hatred in the world for Casey, but George has not exactly been embraced. And when push comes to shove, not many professionals are wanting to put themselves out there with what it would take to right any wrongs occurring along Casey's path of destruction, especially on behalf of someone who was at one time willing to walk that path alongside her.