Sidebar Discussion #8

[Ricki]

Bwahahaha! I just watched it on cnn and logged on to post about it and here you are Left-Coaster!

i don't know who that guy is but he did everything but hold his nose while he was talking to Jose. The clip only lasts no more than a minute and a half - Baez does his schtick - but not aggressively - there is no abuse mentioned and as the interviewer closes - he looks at Baez and says there it is then (and I think he said "presumed guilty" and instead of holding it up to the camera the way hosts do - he chucked it back on the desk.

I just roared - it was worth it to see just that part....:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

(Baez's nose doesn't appear getting longer but his face is getting fatter)

Oh Geez, now I got to go watch it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I think Cindy wants to be on speaking terms with FCA and have FCA in her life because she knows what FCA is capable of now more than ever, she LIVED the life of lies, stealing, and who-knows-what-else went on in that house at the hands of FCA, and she knows FCA was the cause of the death of Caylee.

I don't think Cindy is in denial any more, I think she wants to keep her eye on FCA, keep her on her radar screen, know a little bit of what she is up to, provide FCA with some $$ so she doesn't have to resort to SO MUCH stealing (she still might steal, but maybe if she has access to SOME $$ from Cindy maybe she will just pilfer a little bit that people wont' miss and maybe she won't be cashing stolen checks or brazenly stealing), I don't know all what Cindy will provide for FCA, but I think Cindy FEARS what FCA will do once she is off probation and if FCA is all on her own, without Cindy there to run interference or provide her with her basic needs, Cindy FEARS what FCA will do next,

NOT that FCA will tame her sociopathic ways due to Cindy just "being there" for her, but I don't think Cindy understands the full of how FCA rolls, but I think CA thinks she can control some of it if she has a relationship with FCA. I think Cindy wants to "keep her hand in the pot" so to speak to hope that FCA won't get in MAJOR trouble with the law once again, or do to anyone else or their family what FCA has done to the A's. I think Cindy thinks she can still control some of FCA's "tendencies" so-to-speak, and she needs to be somewhat in FCA's life to do that. I'm not saying that Cindy doesn't love FCA because she is her daughter, but I think she has other motives, even though FCA will do whatever she wants, when she wants. Those two are in a very sick relationship, IMO, MOO< etc.

IMO, MOO, etc.

I think the only reason Cindy wants Casey in her life and vice-versa is because they feed off each other. They are very cruel and very competitive towards one another. Casey wants to torture Cindy and Cindy wants to torture Casey. It's disguised as love, but there is seething hate there.

MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

Does Baez not sound like an incompetent..er lawyer when he keeps talking about evidence that wasn't in the Discovery??

Why Baez, because you didn't introduce the evidence or was it that you have no proof it was true???

 

[logicalgirl]

Yeah... thats what i mean.. when i watched it..... all i could think was.. ..that was odd lol..
and i dont know who that guy is that interviewd him either...


and as to his face getting fatter.. It was not a very flattering camera view either.. he looked really chubby

Errmmm- you're very nice aren't you?

Unlike me who says - maybe he is.....:giggle:

 

[TorisMom003]

I think the only reason Cindy wants Casey in her life and vice-versa is because they feed off each other. They are very cruel and very competitive towards one another. Casey wants to torture Cindy and Cindy wants to torture Casey. It's disguised as love, but there is seething hate there.

MOO

Cindy and Casey are alot alike. Both prefer to be the only woman in the room. They both fight for the affection or attention of any and every man they may spend time with. Neither really like other women including each other. They both know that a man will be easier to manipulate than another woman would be. They also band together against common enemies when it suits them.

MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

Oh Geez, now I got to go watch it.

.............:silly:

 

[Ricki]

Does Baez not sound like an incompetent..er lawyer when he keeps talking about evidence that wasn't in the Discovery??

Why Baez, because you didn't introduce the evidence or was it that you have no proof it was true???

Well, he really did not say much at all. Maybe he thinks now, the less he says the more people will want to see what lies, I mean what he has to say.

 

[Ricki]

.............:silly:

Yup, that little person with the computer says it all.
By the way I am drinking coffee. LOL Trying to keep my eyes opened a few minutes longer.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Cindy and Casey are alot alike. Both prefer to be the only woman in the room. They both fight for the affection or attention of any and every man they may spend time with. Neither really like other women including each other. They both know that a man will be easier to manipulate than another woman would be. They also band together against common enemies when it suits them.

MOO

Amen! Amen!

These two women are venom together. I always said the best punishment for both of these women would be to put them into the same cell together for life! There is nothing that could punish Casey more than to put her with the one person she hates the most in this world... and make no mistake, it is Cindy! It may appear that it is George, but there is a method to Casey's lies... and her lies are to draw Cindy back in. And Cindy has her own vicious reasons to walk towards Casey again.

MOO

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Does Baez not sound like an incompetent..er lawyer when he keeps talking about evidence that wasn't in the Discovery??

Why Baez, because you didn't introduce the evidence or was it that you have no proof it was true???

I found that extremely interesting. I wonder if HHJP would too.

 

[Friday]

Edited to deleted the quote of CarolinaMoon's post as I intended to quote Friday's t, which Included an old post of mine! Clearly I haven't had enough coffee. I apologize CM if I confused you as much as I obviously am this am.

Wow, you picked up a post of mine from quite a long way back! I have since read the book no skimmed the book - and I agree that anyone who knows this case knows the book is full of information from the get go.
Let's not give credit for Baez "writing" the book, I don't think Mr. Goldenbock would appreciate that.
And let's remember that diespite all our conversation of George "falling on his sword" - it was George, not Cindy who disliked Baez from the start and said so publicly. From the start he wanted her to get another lawyer because he thought she was not being "advised" very well.

And let's remember that Jose got his George theories from folks like us, who took what FCA told Jesse and a few others about George and Lee, and ran with it. Jose and his social media experts who studied what "bloggers" were talking about, saw the chitchat about George - and "had their man".

Now you've had some time online, I hope you've been able to read the many many inaccuracies, including the testimonies of both psychiatrists Jose brought in at the end of the trial. Both disbelieved FCA's stories of abuse and said she did not "test" like an abuse victim. And I assume you've followed the South Park defense.

Unfortunately for the sake of justice - the book is a crock. I think the average person who reads stuff like Jose's book just doesn't have the will to do anything but skim the salacious details and I think that's how we came to have the Pinalleas 12.

Hi there Logical-- :wave:

I'm sorry, I was trying so hard to be analytical and clear about my reaction to JB's book that I buried my only two significant points beneath a heap of superflous sentences. LOL The first point I was trying to make is that, even though I've followed this case here every day since August, 2007--and even though I know every fact and piece of evidence available here almost by heart-- and even though I've witnessed every dispicable act of the A's and the defense team--I still found myself being lulled into starting to believe Baez's version could be real. Just for a few hours, until my head cleared, but what I was trying to conclude in my message is that if JB's book could do that to me, then I have to believe it's going to have significant influence on readers who are less-informed but trying honestly to learn the "facts" by reading his book. Unfortunately.

The other thing I specifically wanted to mention was that I came away with the impression that JB truly despises GA. I'm well aware that GA was a convenient scapegoat and how he came to be in that role, which is why I found it curious and noteworthy that JB would actually loathe the dumb scapegoat, GA. Maybe you're right and it's because everyone knew that GA didn't think he was any good as a lawyer. Or...just maybe...could it be that for some reason JB needed to convince himself that the heartless baby killer he was representing was actually a victim herself the of Anthony depravity?

And yes--I know there were psychologists who evaluated her and said she wasn't emotionally unstable and probably not ever molested. I wholeheartedly agree with them. But I also read Weitz's book, and he was emphatic that she was . I personally thought Weitz was full of it, except when it came to his condemnation and analysis of Cindy's role in FCA's life. (I'm not a Cindy fan to put it mildly.) However, Baez obviously chose to believe Weitz.

Actually, doesn't really matter if or why Baez convinced himself Casey was a victim and not an anti-Christ....I was just tossing the information out here for the sake of discussion.

Sorry about calling it JB's book, instead of Goldenbock's book. I thought Baez must have written parts of it, because professional writers know it's bad form and amateurish to use italicized introspection except on rare occasions and only in very brief little spurts. I shivered everytime I came to another italicized paragraph.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

.............:silly:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

you have me cracking up..
any yes.. every time jose says.. evidence not at the trial.. im saying to myself..yeah jose... cause your a bozo.. lol..

 

[logicalgirl]

Well, he really did not say much at all. Maybe he thinks now, the less he says the more people will want to see what lies, I mean what he has to say.

Did you see what I meant by the guy not being at all friendly and flipping the book on the desk?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Here's what I believe.

I believe that Casey was NEVER molested by anyone, at anytime. Not George, not Lee, not anyone. Casey was a "" because Casey was a "". Period.

I believe that George has never, in all of his years of marriage to Cindy, had possession of his own balls. They have always, and will always, remained in Cindy's purse.

I believe that Jose, Mason and the rest of the defense team has always known that Casey was NEVER molested by George or "felt up" by Lee. This was simply a way to gain sympathy for Casey while turn hatred towards George and use him as a way to have her get a lesser sentence.

I believe that Jose, Mason and the rest of the defense team were completely shocked that Casey walked away with only 4 counts of lies to the police as her guilty counts. They fully expected at least child endangerment and more than likely 2nd degree murder.

I believe that Cindy has NEVER been in denial about Caylee's death and Casey being the one that killed her. Cindy KNEW in that 3rd 911 call that Caylee was dead. Cindy suspected when she and George smelled the trunk of the Pontiac but she definately knew for sure when Casey finally broke her silence and spoke to Lee.

I believe that George was the only one in that immediate family that truly loved Caylee. Unfortunately he didn't love her enough to stand up against Casey, Cindy, Jose and the rest of the defense team. Cindy and Casey used Caylee as a pawn between the two of them. Caylee was "loved" in public or when it suited them.

I believe that Jose had better cover his arse well because the time is coming when he feels the full wrath of Casey. If she does not get what she wants, be it money, fame, whatever, she will turn on him and claim that he also molested her. But then in my mind he really does deserve it sooooo, Casey hurry up and get busy making those claims now.

I believe that there are a lot of sick people in the world that can not think for themselves and can not read nor find the correct information about not only this case but countless others. I hope that those people wake up, smell the coffee, open their eyes and begin to think for themselves. The information is out there. The REAL information that is. God help them if they decide that they enjoy or prefer to be deaf, dumb, blind and stupid because the rest of us humans won't be able to help them ourselves.

MOO

ETA: I also believe that ANJ has really struck a nerve with "some" people on "some" site! I also believe that ANJ is not playing nice. You know it is never nice to tease, taunt or whatever you want to call it to people that are "somewhat special".

I am sorry - I will try harder to be nicer.

 

[Ricki]

Did you see what I meant by the guy not being at all friendly and flipping the book on the desk?

Yes. It did not seem to impress him much.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

i am sorry - i will try harder to be nicer.

no no no......
Go give them odd casey trolls hell lol

 

[Nore]

Casey will reoffend. Trust me, this chick thinks that she is so special since she got away with killing Caylee so she will do something again. It might not be murder this next time, but it will be something. Heck, maybe she will even murder again. I have always believed that if a person can kill their own child they can kill anyone. It may not be next year or even the year after that but it will happen.

MOO

Hi, I think you are right. I just hope it isnt too long to wait~ I'm getting awful long in the tooth!! I just hope Caylee gets the justice due that little Angel. I wonder how it will float if L. annd M. have a beautiful baby. More power to them. :what:

 

[Ricki]

I am sorry - I will try harder to be nicer.

Grandpa always told me (you can't argue with a brick wall.)

There are a lot bricks over there.

 

[logicalgirl]

Hi there Logical-- :wave:

I'm sorry, I was trying so hard to be analytical and clear about my reaction to JB's book that I buried my only two significant points beneath a heap of superflous sentences. LOL The first point I was trying to make is that, even though I've followed this case here every day since August, 2007--and even though I know every fact and piece of evidence available here almost by heart-- and even though I've witnessed every dispicable act of the A's and the defense team--I still found myself being lulled into starting to believe Baez's version could be real. Just for a few hours, until my head cleared, but what I was trying to conclude in my message is that if JB's book could do that to me, then I have to believe it's going to have significant influence on readers who are less-informed but trying honestly to learn the "facts" by reading his book. Unfortunately.

The other thing I specifically wanted to mention was that I came away with the impression that JB truly despises GA. I'm well aware that GA was a convenient scapegoat and how he came to be in that role, which is why I found it curious and noteworthy that JB would actually loathe the dumb scapegoat, GA. Maybe you're right and it's because everyone knew that GA didn't think he was any good as a lawyer. Or...just maybe...could it be that for some reason JB needed to convince himself that the heartless baby killer he was representing was actually a victim herself the of Anthony depravity?

And yes--I know there were psychologists who evaluated her and said she wasn't emotionally unstable and probably not ever molested. I wholeheartedly agree with them. But I also read Weitz's book, and he was emphatic that she was . I personally thought Weitz was full of it, except when it came to his condemnation and analysis of Cindy's role in FCA's life. (I'm not a Cindy fan to put it mildly.) However, Baez obviously chose to believe Weitz.

Actually, doesn't really matter if or why Baez convinced himself Casey was a victim and not an anti-Christ....I was just tossing the information out here for the sake of discussion.

Sorry about calling it JB's book, instead of Goldenbock's book. I thought Baez must have written parts of it, because professional writers know it's bad form and amateurish to use italicized introspection except on rare occasions and only in very brief little spurts. I shivered everytime I came to another italicized paragraph.

Oh oh - sorry if I was a bit "cutting" in my response and yes, it was because I can believe that and I find it very upsetting. As I have said in other posts - I can see by comments on news articles and various things like Amazon that there are many many people who probably watched this case on HLN - or at least the people part, not the drier evidence that JA was presenting (I say dry because I was fascinated by what and how JA said it) and only want the "days of our lives" version. And I suspect many many folks are reading Baez's book because they are titillated by the thought of incest and abuse. Which i find sickening and it makes me angry because of the real abuse survivors.

I thought Baez stopped thinking FCA was a victim as soon as Caylee's remains were being picked out of the swampy site, and after that he realized he was too far in to get out - and he'd better grab hold of anything floating by to make sure he didn't get pulled under.

You are probably right about Baez writing parts of it - I was shocked at how unprofessional most of it was - my daughter's romance novels are written better than that.

Again i apologize Friday - it's about this bandage that has been ripped off and has left in heartsick and in emotional pain all over again. I wonder if I'll ever be able to be objective about this case....

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Grandpa always told me (you can't argue with a brick wall.)

There are a lot bricks over there.

YEAH lol.. and i actually got one of my post removed by amazon.. and im not even sure why.. i was only trying to talk to lily about hamsters and sneezing ane mice...// and actually my post was not as bad as some.. but i told lily she needs to realize how silly she sounds.. and i think she reportd me for saying the p word lol :what: