Sidebar Discussion #9

[krkrjx]

I am working on a new discussion over on Amazon and want to confirm a fact I'm using. Please confirm that Jose wrote that he was in Walmart at 3 a.m. on Christmas eve to buy a saw to cut open Caylee's skull. Please, anyone who has the book, please check this for me. I don't want to make a false statement. Thanks.I won't publish until I hear from someone.

Didn't read the book so cannot answer your question. Just want to point out that some Walmarts are open 24 hours except for a couple days a year (Christmas Day for one). They are open on Christmas Eve, but Christmas Eve does not always mean evening. So an argument that the store was closed might not be a good argument because it could be the wee hours of December 24th rather than the 3 AM that is three hours after midnight. IOW, he may have been there Christmas Eve day very early in the morning.

 

[TorisMom003]

*There's a little bit of truth in all of her lies*

Casey claims that she always slept with her bedroom door locked. Is it possible that George/Cindy always slept with their bedroom door locked instead? Did Casey, after that huge fight with Cindy on the night of the 15th, attempt to go into their room to kill them but the door was locked so she couldn't? Did Casey plan on killing Cindy and George that night but failed? Did Casey then decide to go ahead with part of her plan and kill just Caylee?

We know that there were searches for household weapons, etc. That is not something one would need to use on a small child. It had to have been searched for use against George and/or Cindy. If she planned on killing all three of them, what was her end game? How was she going to deal with all three dead in the house but her still alive?

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Ok here is the timeline of phone computer use that day..
(thanks to AZ for most of it she typed up, I just added a few more things.)

12:54 am Casey finishes up an 80-minute phone call with Tony
1:05-1:54 am Casey texting back and forth with Tony
3:08-3:22 am Casey on the phone with Tony
7:54 am Someone calls Casey's phone from the house landline-goes to voicemail (i believe i read this was casey getting her voicemail messages)
7:56-8:06 am Casey happily IM'ing/flirting with Alexso I assume the "incident" was after this.
8:45 am Casey texts Tony
9:00 am - 10:59 Casey on the computer on facebook and myspace looking up outfits etc for the shot girls
11:47 am-12:06 pm Casey on the phone with Tony
12:55 pm Casey exchanges texts with Tony
1:00-1:14 pm Casey on the phone with Tony
1:26 pm Casey exchanges texts with Jesse
1:44-2:20 pm Casey on the phone with Amy
(1:50 someone on computer looks for foolproof suffocation)
2:52-3:04 pm Casey on the phone with Jesse

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

I will work on the phone etc after that call to jesse
as we need that also to get the complete timeline.

I believe GA left for work around 2:30 and clocks in at 3:00

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

ok here is more.. phone calls etc from that afternoon

04:11pm: Called Cindy
04:19pm: Called Tony
04:21pm: Called Jess
04:25pm: Called Cindy
05:57pm: Called Tony

I know there was a call in there from her father at approx 3:04

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

and I got the following from the acandyrose site

"But at 4:11 p.m., Anthony began trying to reach her mother, Cindy Anthony, making four attempts in two minutes, according to records. Anthony then traveled north from her parent's home and called Lazzaro for one minute at 4:19 p.m., Pipitone reported. Two minutes later, she talked to Grund for a minute, and tried to call her mother again at 4:25 p.m., Pipitone said. There was no other communication from Anthony's cell phone until a call was made to Lazzaro's apartment at 5:57 p.m., records show

 

[logicalgirl]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...vera-msnbc-what-about-jeff-ashtons-smile.html

Bleck!

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

ok.. im heading out for a bit of retail therapy lol...
Ill be back in a bit to sleuth on ..

 

[Brooke]

I've been doing some computer clean-up this morning on my WordPad file I use to c&p quick notes, links, snippets of stuff, etc. It's kind of like a cyber "junk drawer", if you kwim.

Anyway, I found some quotes I'd come across and saved, and think they belong here.



The hardest tumble a man can make is to fall over his own bluff. ~ Ambrose Bierce


When you stretch the truth, watch out for the snapback. ~ Bill Copeland


Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools that don't have brains enough to be honest. ~ Benjamin Franklin


There is no vice that doth so cover a man with shame as to be found false and perfidious. ~ Francis Bacon, Essays


Who lies for you will lie against you. ~ Bosnian Proverb

 

[nerdy]

Ohhh I was feeling feisty this morning and left a review on Amazon :innocent:

Not quite as eloquent as some out there, but honest :floorlaugh:

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Your Sunday funny can be found on Grandpa's Corner on youtube - he has opinions on JB book. (Warning, extreme language and Grandpa needs an inhaler!)

 

[LambChop]

*There's a little bit of truth in all of her lies*

Casey claims that she always slept with her bedroom door locked. Is it possible that George/Cindy always slept with their bedroom door locked instead? Did Casey, after that huge fight with Cindy on the night of the 15th, attempt to go into their room to kill them but the door was locked so she couldn't? Did Casey plan on killing Cindy and George that night but failed? Did Casey then decide to go ahead with part of her plan and kill just Caylee?

We know that there were searches for household weapons, etc. That is not something one would need to use on a small child. It had to have been searched for use against George and/or Cindy. If she planned on killing all three of them, what was her end game? How was she going to deal with all three dead in the house but her still alive?

I have to think that if KC had a fight with her mother on the 15th that Caylee was very upset. Maybe so upset and KC tried to quiet her down while she was on the phone with TL. Could this be why there was duct tape on Caylee's mouth and nose? I don't think it would be a stretch to think KC lost track of the time while in her car and Caylee was gone by the time she finished her conversation so KC put Caylee into the trunk. I don't think she was home but may have been at the dump site because I believe that is where she hid everyday when she was suppose to be going to work and she waited there for her father to leave. It would still hit the tower as being close to home, I might imagine. That would explain the phone call from GA to the house. Once GA left she would go back to the house. GA may have left her a voicemail that he was not coming back and to let the dogs out or something of that nature so she was sure he would not return. We've all seen KC in a rage. It's not hard to believe Caylee died on the 15th if there was a fight the night before. jmo

 

[zippitydoda]

It's amazing what you can find when you google players and filter by date.

You are one of the best at finding info...:rocker:

 

[Intermezzo]

Could someone tell me who Kyle Kirkland is? I entered the name along with the name casey anthony on google, I was taken to a really interesting site, lots of stuff about baby Caylee. Thanks

SMS to/from Kyle on June 15 2008..the area code is from Jacksonville, FL

iirc, long ago it was sleuthed that he was someone on OCA's MySpace

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

That's all I remember.

UPDATE
Found this in a early thread about this case

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68672&page=5
Posted by Distracted Post #109

"There is a mention of a "Kyle" in one of Casey's older myspace comments. I'll have to go find it. I think it was from around the time that she and Jesse were first engaged. I get the impression he doesn't live in Florida - or didn't then.

ETA: Okay, here it is -

Feb 27, 2006 10:42 PM
Mandy Mo Mo, are you and Kyle going to be available April of `07? I am giving you PLENTY of notice, so you HAVE to be there! )
your appearance"

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

I really find it funny that part of Jose's proof that the search for foolproof suffocation was done by GA was that it was spelled wrong and that GA was a bad speller..

This comes from Iorn Man Jose lol..
plus He admits that casey did the searchs for chloroform and that was spelled wrong..
so.. what does that prove jose..

His logic is flawed at best.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I really find it funny that part of Jose's proof that the search for foolproof suffocation was done by GA was that it was spelled wrong and that GA was a bad speller..

This comes from Iorn Man Jose lol..
plus He admits that casey did the searchs for chloroform and that was spelled wrong..
so.. what does that prove jose..

His logic is flawed at best.

His logic gets better...towards the end of the book. He actually says that had the prosecution not focused on the 31 days, the defense would have had no defense. But because they focused on the 31 days, the defense had to explain the 31 days...and voila, what they came up with to explain her bizarre behavior was ...you got it...molestation by her father. They they went backwards and fit the "evidence" presented by the prosecution, witness statements, jailhouse tapes, etc. and formed their defense. In essence, he is saying "thank yuo State of Florida for bringing up her crazy behavior...you won our case for us"

:banghead:

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Could someone tell me who Kyle Kirkland is? I entered the name along with the name casey anthony on google, I was taken to a really interesting site, lots of stuff about baby Caylee. Thanks

I am not finding anything 'interesting' or 'lots of stuff about baby Caylee.'
Can you give a bigger hint?

Why were your searching the Kyle name? Now you got me curious.

 

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by mac66 [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8149366#post8149366"]

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I am working on a new discussion over on Amazon and want to confirm a fact I'm using. Please confirm that Jose wrote that he was in Walmart at 3 a.m. on Christmas eve to buy a saw to cut open Caylee's skull. Please, anyone who has the book, please check this for me. I don't want to make a false statement. Thanks.I won't publish until I hear from someone.


YES HE WAS I will find quote for you

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

AND DOWN WE GO......
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #301 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

#11 in Books > Biographies & Memoirs > True Accounts > Murder & Mayhem

 

[GetSmart]

Spitz had assumed that Dr. Jan Garavaglia, the
medical examiner, would follow standard protocol and
open the skull, so he did not bring a saw.
“Do you have a saw?” Spitz asked the funeral
director. “I need a saw. Any saw.”
The director returned with a rusty old saw.
Spitz sawed and sawed, and after about a half an
hour, he gave up.
“This saw doesn’t cut,” he said.
“We’re going to have to buy a saw,” I said. The
only store open at three in the morning was Walmart.
“Come on, Pat,” I said to our investigator, Pat
McKenna.
When we entered the Walmart, the place was
virtually empty. There were only a handful of
employees. This was perfect. I figured we’d be able to
get in and out quickly without anyone noticing us.
(Media interest in the case grew exponentially after
Caylee’s body was found.)
McKenna and I split up in our search for a saw,
and just as I began my search, a bus from a home for
the mentally challenged dropped off its passengers so
they could shop with the least amount of hassle. I’m
looking for the saw, and one of the ladies from the bus
(she had Down’s syndrome) saw me and began
shouting, “Baez, Baez, Baez.” She followed me
throughout the store, pointing at me and yelling, “Baez,
Baez, Baez.”
McKenna found a saw, and I yelled to him, “Let’s
get out of here.” We trotted to the checkout counter
and noticed the tabloid magazines, each featuring a
horrible story about Casey. One story trumpeted,
“Casey Anthony’s Drunken Party.” Another
proclaimed, “Secrets and Lies,” and yet a third featured
a story headlined, “Caylee’s Mom Did It: She Fed
Tragic Tot to Alligators.” I was looking at all these
headlines, while waiting to pay $4.99 for a saw to cut
open Caylee’s skull, when the woman with Down’s
syndrome found me and again began yelling, “Baez,
Baez, Baez.”
It was surreal. I couldn’t believe why I was there
and what was happening. We paid and hurried out the
door.