SIDEBAR to the Drew Peterson trial

[wishinuall]

They had just been clipped! Her toenails too. It was said she did not keep her nails short!!! However, I don't think the jury knows any of that...

 

[Mama-cita]

I think they are a bit scary ..if everything is all about Drew ..they really need to get a life.

What are they gonna do when the trial is over???Wear Free Drew T-shirts?

Lololol! Let's hope the verdict is such that they have to wear "Free Drew" shirts instead of "We got an obviously guilty misogynistic two time wife murderer off and all we got were these stupid shirts. Someone buy our story please?". But that might not all fit on one shirt. So maybe the "Please buy our story" can go on the back? Hey and for solidarity sake we should chip in and get the whole DT "I'm with stupid" shirts.

 

[LambChop]

They had just been clipped! Her toenails too. It was said she did not keep her nails short!!! However, I don't think the jury knows any of that...

I was unaware of that myself. Wow. So the fact that there was nothing under her nails to me would sound as if either she just cleaned them or someone cleaned her nails after she was deceased. People always have something under their nails. jmo

 

[wishinuall]

FWIW Kathleen's family said she kept her nails long.

http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/drew-peterson-trial-day-eleven/

.... Mitchell examined both Savio's fingers and toe nails as being “short and clean.” ...

http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/drew-peterson-trial-day-ten/


Sounds like the killer clipped her nails. imo

Oops!! I'm sorry! I am just trying to catch up today & had commented on her nails earlier before I got to this! (Maybe that's a good hint for me to do things a little differently?!) Thank you so much for the links, I couldn't recall exactly what had been let into testimony.

 

[MrsPC]

for anyone who may not have seen it before - Greta Van Susteren's interview with pastor Neil Schori.

he did confirm that Drew Peterson left him a voicemail immediately after he met with Stacy, wanting to get together with him...but fortunately, he had the good sense not to. What I'd really be curious to know is...did Stacy phone Drew & tell him what she had done or was Drew having her followed?? And if so, by whom?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI1LLqrSnDM"]Greta interview with Neil Schori on Drew Peterson - YouTube[/ame]

 

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[katydid23]

for anyone who may not have seen it before - Greta Van Susteren's interview with pastor Neil Schori.

he did confirm that Drew Peterson left him a voicemail immediately after he met with Stacy, wanting to get together with him...but fortunately, he had the good sense not to. What I'd really be curious to know is...did Stacy phone Drew & tell him what she had done or was Drew having her followed?? And if so, by whom?

Greta interview with Neil Schori on Drew Peterson - YouTube

I think she was being followed by Drew or by one of his lackeys. I highly doubt that she would have told him she went to confide in the pastor. imo

 

[wishinuall]

Just doing a little re-reading of the thoughtful posts on here. I'd like to know how she ended up nude. Stacey stated she found women's clothing in the washer but we didn't hear what kind of clothing. Did DP yank her out of bed and force her to disrobe? I would not find that at all unusual, for him. Because he has enjoyed stalking and threatening people. Recalling what he did to her previously, taunting her with that knife for over an hour - I don't think he did this quickly. God only knows how long he might have held her at gun point and made her do whatever....and then made her kneel down and executed her.

Still trying to catch up, but that used condom in her BEDROOM garbage was apparently NOT tested for DNA either. Her boyfriend very distinctively told the jury they put theirs in the kitchen garbage! In the dark corners of my mind, I have imagined that DP may have very likely raped that poor woman before her horror of an ending of life. Finally admitting that outside myself makes me terribly ill. One more scary thought I've had is that they indeed did find his DNA, and destroyed every piece evidence! OK, now I've said it, ya'll really do know how deeply off my rocker I've let myself get! Please don't kick me off of here, pretty please??!:rocker:

 

[passionflower]

With her bikini on the beach where she loves with a boyfriend in a blue barrel IIRC,SICK!

 

[LambChop]

Still trying to catch up, but that used condom in her BEDROOM garbage was apparently NOT tested for DNA either. Her boyfriend very distinctively told the jury they put theirs in the kitchen garbage! In the dark corners of my mind, I have imagined that DP may have very likely raped that poor woman before her horror of an ending of life. Finally admitting that outside myself makes me terribly ill. One more scary thought I've had is that they indeed did find his DNA, and destroyed every piece evidence! OK, now I've said it, ya'll really do know how deeply off my rocker I've let myself get! Please don't kick me off of here, pretty please??!:rocker:

I think Drew expected the boyfriend to find her in the tub. It must have been very disappointing to him that the bf did not attempt to see her Sunday or Monday. That must have meant a whole change of plans for Drew. jmo

 

[Niner]

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8303863#post8303863"]Total Sidebars for Trial - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

hopefully that link works - if not, here is what I posted:

Day 1, Tuesday, July 31st - 1: Mary Pontarelli (neighbor of KS)
Defense asks for Mistrial re hitman comment in State's OS

Day 2, Wednesday, August 1st - 1: Thomas Pontarelli (neighbor of KS)
Defense asks for Mistrial (#2) re .38 bullet comment

Day 3, Thursday, August 2nd - 5: Louis Oleszkiewcz (EMT), Robert Akin (Locksmith), Michael Newton (BFD-in charge), Michael Johnson (BFD-paramedic),Timothy Berkeley (BFD/Paramedic). Note: Harry Smith, KS's attorney was called, but that was delayed.

Day 4, Friday, August 3rd - 1: Anna Doman (KS's sister)

Day 5, Tuesday, August 7th - 3: Michael VanOver (Dep. Coroner), Robert Deel (ISP Trooper), and James Coughlin (Lt. BPD). Note: Patrick Collins (Investigator) was bumped.

Day 6, Wedneday, August 8th - 2: Patrick Collins (Reitred ISP Sgt) and Kristin Anderson (classmate of KS)

Day 7, Thursday, August 9th - 1: Mary Parks (nursing school friend of KS)

Day 8, Friday, August 10th - 4: Steve Maniaci (boyfriend of KS), Susan Doman (KS's sister), Susan McCauley (girlfriend of DP) and Dominick DeFrancesco (KS neighbor)
Defense asks for Mistrial (#3) re prejudice on ??

Day 9, Tuesday, August 14th - 2: Christopher Long (Forensic Toxicologist) and Teresa Kernc (former Sgt BPD)
Defense asks for Mistrial (#4) re prejudice regarding Order of Protection mentioned

Day 10, Wednesday, August 15th - 2: Teresa Kernc (former Sgt BPD) and Dr. Larry Blum (Forensic pathologist)

Day 11, Thursday, August 16th - 1: Dr. Larry Blum

Day 12, Friday, August 17th - 4: Dr. Gene Neri (KS's Dr), Scott Rosetto (SP's friend) asked to leave stand, Joseph Steadmann (Ins. Adjuster) and Jennifer Schoon (Steve Peterson's girlfriend)

Day 13, Tuesday, August 21st - 1: Dr. mary Case (head trauma expert)

Day 14, Wednesday, August 22nd - 4: Jeffrey Pachter (Hitman), Bryan Falat (ISP Master Sgt), Dr. Vinod Motiani (KS's personal physican) and Nicholas Ponarelli (KS's neighbor)

Day 15, Thursday, August 23rd - 1: Pastor Neil Schori

Day 16, Friday, August 24th - 2: Ray Clark (Sprint Record custodian) and Brian hafner (Lt BPD); Stipulation on Cassandra Cates testimony.

Through 4 weeks of trial: 35 witnesses // Mistrial Requests: 4

 

[Niner]

Also, I found some answers that some here have asked about!

Drew had two businesses - a printing company and Suds Pub

There were actually TWO hitmen!!

KS's boyfriend, Steve said that the storm (screen) door and front door were ALWAYS locked - oops - the screen was unlocked and the dead bolt not locked...

Steve Rosetto, friend of Stacy's changed his story re what Stacy said about DP's sleeves being wet vs dry!

 

[Mama-cita]

Also, I found some answers that some here have asked about!

Drew had two businesses - a printing company and Suds Pub

There were actually TWO hitmen!!

KS's boyfriend, Steve said that the storm (screen) door and front door were ALWAYS locked - oops - the screen was unlocked and the dead bolt not locked...

Steve Rosetto, friend of Stacy's changed his story re what Stacy said about DP's sleeves being wet vs dry!

Wait, where is the second hitman?:what:

 

[katydid23]

Review of State's Opening statement:

[ excerpts from http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/drew-peterson-trial-day-one-opening-statements/]

Opening statements begin with State’s Attorney James Glasgow going first: “Kathleen Savio’s cold lifeless body was found in her bathtub…and it was staged to look like an accident. She was not going to give up her share of the marital estate.” And…sidebar. Jury is sent out of the room.

[Defense objects to State mentioning incident in which Drew broke into Savio’s home and held her at knife-point as well as testimony from two would-be hit men who say Drew tried to hire them to kill Kathleen. They ask for a mistrial. Judge upholds the objection regarding the hit men, but the jury has now heard the words “hit man”. Mistrial denied.]

Judge tells jury to disregard statements when he sustains an objection.
Glasgow’s opening statement quotes Drew Peterson from The Larry King show. Describes the days leading up to Savio’s death. How on Sunday Drew does nothing to find out why Kathleen doesn’t answer door or phone, then next day makes a barrage of phone calls, visits neighbors, etc. He sends four neighbors into the house while he, in uniform stands outside. Investigators decide that her death is an accident within one hour. Then in 2007 Neil Schori “had information” which led to reopening the Savio case. (no mention of Stacy?)

Glasgow: Peterson once said he knew enough from years as a police officer to “kill someone and get away with it.” This is not a case where you’re going to have DNA. (The jury) will have an opportunity to use your skills and really put together a complex case. Glasgow is done. Short recess.

 

[ChickenPants]

Still trying to catch up, but that used condom in her BEDROOM garbage was apparently NOT tested for DNA either. Her boyfriend very distinctively told the jury they put theirs in the kitchen garbage! In the dark corners of my mind, I have imagined that DP may have very likely raped that poor woman before her horror of an ending of life. Finally admitting that outside myself makes me terribly ill. One more scary thought I've had is that they indeed did find his DNA, and destroyed every piece evidence! OK, now I've said it, ya'll really do know how deeply off my rocker I've let myself get! Please don't kick me off of here, pretty please??!:rocker:

I thought DP might have raped her, too; when he decided to kill her, I am convinced he taunted her and got everything he could to satisfy his need for control, I think he is ruthless. I think he did it all at gun point. He already had his dress-rehearsal with the knife.

Had it been investigated as a possible homicide, a rape kit would have been required. As it happened, every single thing was lost. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he orchestrated not only the killing but the so-called "investigation"; I don't know how...but I think he did. It all fit together just too much in his favor IMO.

 

[katydid23]

Jury rises and Joel Brodsky begins his opening. Brodsky introduces the defense team to the jury...

Brodsky: Drew Peterson “wanted to be a cop, wanted a job where he could help people.” He got “his particular sense of humor” as army MP where he helped bust soldiers selling drugs on base. “He felt those that enforced the law should not break it.”

Judge Burmila stops Brodsky and sends jury out. He tells Brodsky that his opening is “completely inappropriate”. It seems like you are telling Drew Peterson’s life story. Brodsky is “perverting the purpose of the opening statement. He began again, State objected three times. All sustained. Attys at sidebar.

Brodsky: Savio a “very spirited, hot-tempered woman.” She was “bossy” when she and Drew owned and ran printing business and Suds Pub. antidepressants did not help. Even Drew’s partners heard her yell at him. Drew Peterson was “living separately” in the home he shared with Kathleen during his “affair” with Stacy. Savio “felt she was being abandoned for a much younger woman.” Stacy Cales pursued Drew.

Brodsky: March 2002, Savio finds out Peterson took Stacy to Mexico. Order of protection full of “Stupid ridiculous statements that have no basis” filed to get Drew thrown out of their house. Savio “always has to have the last word”. She lies and makes up stories to fit her purpose or she’s mad. She tried to build case against Peterson that would benefit her financially.

Brodsky tells jury about altercation between Savio and Stacy, and describes Savio as a “mad woman.” Fast forward to 2003. Couple getting along moving along with divorce. Stacy is pregnant. Describes Kathleen’s last day–”she had sex with her boyfriend”. Savio has “lover’s quarrel” with her boyfriend on phone. They discuss marriage but Maniaci says he isn’t ready. “That’s the last time that anyone hears from Kathy Savio.”

Brodsky: It wasn’t Drew’s idea to go into Savio’s house the weekend she died. Drew didn’t call cops and instead sent neighbors into Kathleen’s home because “Why call police? Drew was the police.” First words after finding Savio’s body: “What am I going to tell my kids?” Initial investigators determine no sign of foul play. The bathtub took 8 hours to drain due to wonky plug.

Brodsky: Stacy goes missing in Oct. 2007. “For some unknown reason” the media grabs on to this story. “They don’t just report the news, they make it.” Ridicules Dr. Baden’s 2nd autopsy on FOX Entertainment News. “Of course he’s going to say a homicide.” Ridicules Kathleen’s divorce atty Harry Smith. He came forward only after media circus began. Criticizes Savio’s sisters for not coming forward about statements earlier.

Brodsky: “Accidentally drowning in a bathtub is rare. What’s rarer? A homicide in a bathtub.” Savio suffered from mental illnesses and medications. He trying to convey that Savio was not healthy. “You have a man’s life in your hands”. Court breaks for lunch.

http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/drew-peterson-trial-day-one-opening-statements/

 

[mitzi]

The State can't rebut statements by experts when they do not exactly what they plan to say, or what defense's line of questioning these experts will be so I believe they are entitled to add witnesses as a rebuttal to what the defense witnesses are giving their opinion on. Experts can't argue a point from a defense witness when they have no idea what will be entered into evidence from the defense. This would be the perfect opportunity to put on Dr. Baden and the drowning expert. jmo

I agree...I think Dr. Baden, the drowning expert, AND the gentleman that accompanied Pastor Schori to the Starbucks will be rebuttal witnesses...especially if the DT tries to smear Schori, if they call him as a witness.

 

[LaLaw2000]

What has me worried is the recent interview with Lopez on Judge JP.

He said they would be starting with some police officers who have impeachment info on some of the previous testimony. Specifically that some of the witness testimony can be impeached by prior trial transcripts. If so, that is problematic.

I saw the interview also, katydid23. The only consolation I have is that probably all of the defense saw her opening at the beginning of the program. She was scathing, and rightfully so. The Lopez' were instudio, so you know they heard what she had to say. Judge Jeanine has been incensed about this case from the beginning, and again rightfully so.

Let the defense bring it on! The prosecution can speak twice in closing arguments. They can do their closing, then the defense gets their shot, then the prosecution gets another whack at it if it is like most states. The defense is going to pizz off some of the people on the jury, IMO. I hope the one(s) on the jury that think DP is guilty stand their ground. I am half expecting a hung jury. I do not think their clothing colors have anything to do with unity because if they are obeying the law and not discussing the case, then they do not know as yet if they are united or not, IMO.

I think I need to call my doctor and ask for some chill pills, lol. I'm gonna need something to get through this next week! Not one day of this trial has gone by that I have not been very hopeful, then gotten very down. Yo-yo emotions if you will. At this point I am thinking a hung jury would be best.

Oh! Tricia's radio show was excellent tonight. I loved it and I love Jeff Ruby!

MOO's

 

[AbbieNormal]

They had just been clipped! Her toenails too. It was said she did not keep her nails short!!! However, I don't think the jury knows any of that...

I agree with the poster (Mama Cita? Sorry, I don't remember who it was) who said that in nursing school you have to keep your nails short. Its true now just as it was 25 yrs ago when I was in school. So even if she liked to keep her nails long, it would have not been allowed.

jmo abbie

 

[Jackson44]

We went over to the Belterra Casino in Indiana Friday and ate at Jeff Ruby's restaurant. Oh, so good! I never would have thought Jeff Ruby would get himself involved in this case. Amazing how paths cross in life.