SIDEBAR to the Drew Peterson trial

[AbbieNormal]

If she fell into a tub of water why would she have injuries on her left side?? It's water?????? A natural instinct would be to put your arms out to prevent your fall yet her arms are down inside the tub. She's in a position not consistent with a fall and all the items around the tub were not disturbed. Plus I guess an ME can tell the difference in the wound and my guess is how she ended up was not consistent with the injury on the back of her head.

What really surprises me is there DP was cleaning up and removing items from the home shortly after they removed her body and long before it was ruled an accidential death. How would he know it would be ruled an accident? And there he is cleaning out the tub, taking money from her purse, removing articles from the home, etc. Do you think one of his supervisors would have told him not to go back to the house until he had a police escort and/or the investigation was completed? Apparently they did not. jmo

BBM

...and the magic towel, not there for police photos, but mysteriously there after cops left and he was doing all the things in bold above.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I just got done watching Jeanine Pirro's show about this case. She is very strong about the prosecution not being able to present some vital information.

Here's hoping that the jurors can piece it all together and see what really happened. Only then will Drew get what he deserves - a guilty verdict!

The bathtub drowning expert she had on was A.MA.ZING!!!! Wish she had been called to this trial. jmo

abbie

 

[LambChop]

A fall is considered blunt force

As long as you fall onto something that would cause that type of injuy. The ME said there was nothing in the tub to do that. My guess is it was not just the cut they could see in the second autopsy but the bruise surrounding the cut as well. It was ruled she died from drowning. So if she hit her head and fell into the water and drowned how could she have had streams of undiluted blood running down her face if her face was under the water? How is that possible when the ME said the cut on her head would have never rendered her unconscious? Plus the wound wasn't in the correct place to have happened had she fallen. I guess you see things differently when you look at a scene as a potential crime having occurred instead of someone insisting it was just an accident. jmo

 

[Wishbone]

As long as you fall onto something that would cause that type of injuy. The ME said there was nothing in the tub to do that. My guess is it was not just the cut they could see in the second autopsy but the bruise surrounding the cut as well. It was ruled she died from drowning. So if she hit her head and fell into the water and drowned how could she have had streams of undiluted blood running down her face if her face was under the water? How is that possible when the ME said the cut on her head would have never rendered her unconscious? Plus the wound wasn't in the correct place to have happened had she fallen. I guess you see things differently when you look at a scene as a potential crime having occurred instead of someone insisting it was just an accident. jmo

We haven't heard the spin from the DT yet and you can bet they are going to tell a completely different story.

 

[Mama-cita]

Ok for poops and giggles I did the math. Assuming a weight of 75 kg or just over 150 pounds, as well as a fall which is at the acceleration of gravity or 9.8 m/s, an unimpeded fall of KS would result in a force of close to 750 Newtons which is a pounds/force equivalent of about 168 pounds. If she fell and hit her head unimpeded it would have resulted in the equivalent of a 168 pound force to her head. So yeah, I think I can say without reservation if she had fallen like that, she would have crushed her skull. The only way for DP to have caused significant cranial injury would be with repeated blows. He could not have generated a 168 pound force with his hand and a baton. That scalp lac was NOT caused by a fall!!!!

 

[Mama-cita]

You may be able to tell the difference in many case but not all cases.....

See the math in post 1834.
Sir Isaac Newton's
Second law. You would be able to tell the difference.

 

[Wishbone]

See the math in post 1834.
Sir Isaac Newton's
Second law. You would be able to tell the difference.

We'll have to agree to disagree

 

[LambChop]

We haven't heard the spin from the DT yet and you can bet they are going to tell a completely different story.

Yes, I agree, because the truth would not serve their purpose. jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Ok I am answering my own question from a long time ago, about whether Drew invited the pastor up in his plane. I found it at acandyrose. Pastor testified in January 2010 that when he returned to his office after the meeting with Stacy, there was a Voicemail waiting for him from DREW! Obviously bc he was following her he saw them meeting and probably inferred that she was spilling the beans. I don't think Stacy told Drew anything. In his obsession and stalking her he figured it out then decided to get rid of her. Anyway, the message said something to the effect of "I haven't seen you in a while, thought you might like to go up in my plane with me this afternoon." Talk about creepy! The lawyer asked "and did you go up in his plane?" to which Schori replied "Absolutely not!". Lolol. Smart dude.

This attitude can be seen in DP's eyes. In the portrait pictures they show on TV of DP with KS and Stacy, I see something weird/threatening in his eyes, like 'don't mess with me' or 'I'm a force', a look that's meant to intimidate. He walked around thinking he was king of something and others must have accepted him that way. It's not confidence he portrayed, it's a cocky 'don't mess with me' position he gave off. As long as he viewed you as being on his side, he'd be cordial to you. An example of this is what happened in court with JR this week. DP cried about it because he's not free to handle it on his own and, believe me, he wouldn't let anything like that pass. JP has to pay for his bad behavior. DP loves the fact that he got a rise out of him I bet and is what he was aiming for. That's why I wish JP would have kept his cool. Messing with DP is fruitless as he always has to win and have the last word.
Now, DP's a tough guy whose only hope is those defense atty's who are using the same tactics as DP always used. They are performers but nothing seems real or authentic about them or what they present in court. Most people are a lot more sensitive than these guys can relate to as they only work through intimidation. That may work on the street but not in the courtroom, I hope.

Of course I don't know what will happen, but I'm not as afraid as some peeps here seem to be that DP will walk.
I think he's minced meat and will be charged with murdering KS.

 

[Mama-cita]

We'll have to agree to disagree

Agree. Considering that no one in over 300 years has been able to disprove Newton's laws of motion, I'm going to
stick with it, and people who use proven scientific principals to analyze injuries rather than presumption. DT can pay people to say whatever they want but in this case the scientific fact very easily proves that KS did not fall and hit her head.

 

[Mama-cita]

This attitude can be seen in DP's eyes. In the portrait pictures they show on TV of DP with KS and Stacy, I see something weird/threatening in his eyes, like 'don't mess with me' or 'I'm a force', a look that's meant to intimidate. He walked around thinking he was king of something and others must have accepted him that way. It's not confidence he portrayed, it's a cocky 'don't mess with me' position he gave off. As long as he viewed you as being on his side, he'd be cordial to you. An example of this is what happened in court with JR this week. DP cried about it because he's not free to handle it on his own and, believe me, he wouldn't let anything like that pass. JP has to pay for his bad behavior. DP loves the fact that he got a rise out of him I bet and is what he was aiming for. That's why I wish JP would have kept his cool. Messing with DP is fruitless as he always has to win and have the last word.
Now, DP's a tough guy whose only hope is those defense atty's who are using the same tactics as DP always used. They are performers but nothing seems real or authentic about them or what they present in court. Most people are a lot more sensitive than these guys can relate to as they only work through intimidation. That may work on the street but not in the courtroom, I hope.

Of course I don't know what will happen, but I'm not as afraid as some peeps here seem to be that DP will walk.
I think he's minced meat and will be charged with murdering KS.

There is that one super creepy pic of him and Stacy, at a police dance or something. The way he's holding on to her and the look on his face, ick, just thinking of that pic makes me feel like taking a shower and washing the yuck off! He's so gross. Still don't get how he was able to land 4 wives and ??? mistresses.

 

[Wishbone]

Agree. Considering that no one in over 300 years has been able to disprove Newton's laws of motion, I'm going to
stick with it, and people who use proven scientific principals to analyze injuries rather than presumption. DT can pay people to say whatever they want but in this case the scientific fact very easily proves that KS did not fall and hit her head.

There is more detail involved than simply stating Newton's law....Many variable factors to include but not limited to: The kinetic energy associated with a moving object is equal to one half the mass of that object multiplied by the velocity of the object squared (1/2 mv2). In general, a somewhat lighter object traveling at high speed will cause more damage than a heavier object traveling at low speed.
Equally important, however, are the characteristics of the blunt object and the surface that is impacted. Impacts involving a large surface area -- either with regard to the impacting object or with regard to the tissues being impacted -- will result in a greater dispersion of energy over a larger area and less injury to the impacted tissues.


And that's just for starters. Like I said earlier....wait for the DT to put their spin on it.

 

[Mama-cita]

The bathtub drowning expert she had on was A.MA.ZING!!!! Wish she had been called to this trial. jmo

abbie

Is it online somewhere? I don't have cable

 

[katydid23]

Is it online somewhere? I don't have cable

WATCH THIS:


Did you miss Judge Jeanine's opening statement? Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLXJHWihWSU&feature=youtu.be

 

[MrsPC]

I don't care what the talking heads might say...

The majority of criminal cases are built on *circumstantial evidence* and this one is no different.

Let's hopes the jurors are intelligent & have enough common sense (something the Casey Anthony & OJ Simpson jurors lacked) to look at all the evidence, witness statements, the fact that both wives are gone in one way or another and can see the most REASONABLE explanation for Savio's death.

GUILTY!

jmho

 

[Mama-cita]

There is more detail involved than simply stating Newton's law....Many variable factors to include but not limited to: The kinetic energy associated with a moving object is equal to one half the mass of that object multiplied by the velocity of the object squared (1/2 mv2). In general, a somewhat lighter object traveling at high speed will cause more damage than a heavier object traveling at low speed.
Equally important, however, are the characteristics of the blunt object and the surface that is impacted. Impacts involving a large surface area -- either with regard to the impacting object or with regard to the tissues being impacted -- will result in a greater dispersion of energy over a larger area and less injury to the impacted tissues.


And that's just for starters. Like I said earlier....wait for the DT to put their spin on it.

The factors you mention may have bearing on an inflicted injury (ie "striking force") but a simple, unimpeded fall against a fixed, hard surface such as a bath tub is pretty cut and dry. Her skull would certainly have had to absorb the entire force of the fall against such an object. According to the autopsy report, the scalp laceration was only an inch in size with absolutely no underlying damage to the cranium and no evidence of subdural or epidural trauma. If they can find an expert willing to say a 150 lb woman falling at the rate of gravity, head first onto a fixed hard surface such as a bathtub will only sustain a 1 inch superficial laceration with no damage to her cranium or brain tissue then God bless them. The science doesn't support it.

 

[katydid23]

WATCH THIS:


Did you miss Judge Jeanine's opening statement? Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLXJHWihWSU&feature=youtu.be

BRAVO!!!! An Amazing video. Please watch. :rocker::great:

 

[Mama-cita]

BRAVO!!!! An Amazing video. Please watch. :rocker::great:

Quick, email it to Burmila! Someone, anyone!

 

[Wishbone]

The factors you mention may have bearing on an inflicted injury (ie "striking force") but a simple, unimpeded fall against a fixed, hard surface such as a bath tub is pretty cut and dry. Her skull would certainly have had to absorb the entire force of the fall against such an object. According to the autopsy report, the scalp laceration was only an inch in size with absolutely no underlying damage to the cranium and no evidence of subdural or epidural trauma. If they can find an expert willing to say a 150 lb woman falling at the rate of gravity, head first onto a fixed hard surface such as a bathtub will only sustain a 1 inch superficial laceration with no damage to her cranium or brain tissue then God bless them. The science doesn't support it.

I'm waiting for what all those other experts have to say, lol.

 

[Mama-cita]

The jury is NOT sequestered, correct? And we haven't heard the judge admonish them to not check the papers, discuss the case etc. I just can't see how they can avoid the case in their lives outside the courtroom. Furthermore since they are apparently color coordinating their outfits, they are
having discussions amongst themselves, at lunch? When they are pop-tarted out of the court room? This case is so bizarre on so many levels. I am one of those who believes poor Stacy will never be found. I feel like this is the only shot at getting DP.