SIDEBAR to the Drew Peterson trial

[WindyCityGirl]

Does anyone have a guess as to how long the defense will take? I have heard that they have 3 doctors and a policeman coming in to testify......will the medical testimony last a whole day like it did for ours or will it be shorter segments?
What do you think? Lopez promised it would be quick......I sure hope so!

 

[LambChop]

I can't believe that if Stacy Peterson were alive and hiding from DP that she would not have shown up by now to claim her children and then go back into hiding. All she would have had to do was give the State a video statement for them to use in court and ask for full custody of her children and then disappear. I think it is a huge hole in defense's theory that she is not available because she is still in hiding. Within the past three years while DP has been jailed she could have come forward to claim her children. She had every right to do so. jmo

 

[AbbieNormal]

Is it online somewhere? I don't have cable

Yes it is, but I lost the link. Its the Jeanine Pirro (spelling might not be correct)
show, the website for that show.

abbie

 

[WindyCityGirl]

left without her children in the first place. People have said what a loving mother Stacy was to her children. There is no way that she would have skipped town and never had contact.......it has been YEARS. She is presumed dead and I believe that, sadly, she is. I still think that the grand jury testimony that Drew's cousin Morphy gave about the blue barrel is true.
I don't understand why Drew Peterson had so much power and influence over the people around him.



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I can't believe that if Stacy Peterson were alive and hiding from DP that she would not have shown up by now to claim her children and then go back into hiding. All she would have had to do was give the State a video statement for them to use in court and ask for full custody of her children and then disappear. I think it is a huge hole in defense's theory that she is not available because she is still in hiding. Within the past three years while DP has been jailed she could have come forward to claim her children. She had every right to do so. jmo

 

[LambChop]

left without her children in the first place. People have said what a loving mother Stacy was to her children. There is no way that she would have skipped town and never had contact.......it has been YEARS. She is presumed dead and I believe that, sadly, she is. I still think that the grand jury testimony that Drew's cousin Morphy gave about the blue barrel is true.
I don't understand why Drew Peterson had so much power and influence over the people around him.



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Fear, a convincing liar and a position with LE that made him seem invincible....just for starters. jmo

 

[fifteen89]

The bathtub drowning expert she had on was A.MA.ZING!!!! Wish she had been called to this trial. jmo

abbie

Bathtub drowning expert? Please don't tell me I'm like those young-uns that were on the other day and I watched her show but was staring into space and missed a bathtub drowning expert?

I saw her opening listing everything the Judge kept out.

Then she had on Jo-Ellan Dimitrius to talk about the jury colors. I literally lol'd at her saying she thinks the jurors are just having fun and 'it could be a good sign for the defense, it could be a good sign for the prosecution'. Really? Why not also say 'it might not mean a darn thing'?

Then the sharks were on - and FWIW Mrs. Shark said she thinks the jury colors are a good thing. Hubby said he didn't know what it meant, that the jurors "could be mocking us". Ya think?

Someone else (Hosey or one of the lawyers) said the jurors were in court all day Friday and heard 30 minutes of testimony - sat around for 6 hours and were finally dismissed. I don't blame them a bit for coming up with a way to pass the time. Imagine going to work in the morning. The electricity is on and the computers are working fine, but your boss stops everyone 30 minutes into the workday, and has you all sit in another small room for the rest of the day, and then comes in 6 hours later and sends you all home. Oh, and you can't talk to any of your co-workers about work. Now imagine it's a day when none of your regular co-workers are there - they're all substitute/temporary people that you don't know anything about.

Anyway, back to the show.....
Joe Hosey was on talking about his book about DP and his thoughts about the trial so far.

Then it was Mark Fuhrman (former detective) and Jeff Gold and Fred Tecce (both lawyers).

When it came time for her to talk about Casey, I hit the mute button.

When was there a bathtub drowning expert? What did they say?

 

[fifteen89]

Does anyone have a guess as to how long the defense will take? I have heard that they have 3 doctors and a policeman coming in to testify......will the medical testimony last a whole day like it did for ours or will it be shorter segments?
What do you think? Lopez promised it would be quick......I sure hope so!

I think I heard one of the DT say it should take 2-3 days. Of course their point at the time was their case would be presented more smoothly than the PT's and there wouldn't be any motions for a mistrial. No, just lots of hands raised asking for the barf bucket to be passed their way.

 

[katydid23]

Bathtub drowning expert? Please don't tell me I'm like those young-uns that were on the other day and I watched her show but was staring into space and missed a bathtub drowning expert?

I saw her opening listing everything the Judge kept out.

Then she had on Jo-Ellan Dimitrius to talk about the jury colors. I literally lol'd at her saying she thinks the jurors are just having fun and 'it could be a good sign for the defense, it could be a good sign for the prosecution'. Really? Why not also say 'it might not mean a darn thing'?

Then the sharks were on - and FWIW Mrs. Shark said she thinks the jury colors are a good thing. Hubby said he didn't know what it meant, that the jurors "could be mocking us". Ya think?

Someone else (Hosey or one of the lawyers) said the jurors were in court all day Friday and heard 30 minutes of testimony - sat around for 6 hours and were finally dismissed. I don't blame them a bit for coming up with a way to pass the time. Imagine going to work in the morning. The electricity is on and the computers are working fine, but your boss stops everyone 30 minutes into the workday, and has you all sit in another small room for the rest of the day, and then comes in 6 hours later and sends you all home. Oh, and you can't talk to any of your co-workers about work. Now imagine it's a day when none of your regular co-workers are there - they're all substitute/temporary people that you don't know anything about.

Anyway, back to the show.....
Joe Hosey was on talking about his book about DP and his thoughts about the trial so far.

Then it was Mark Fuhrman (former detective) and Jeff Gold and Fred Tecce (both lawyers).

When it came time for her to talk about Casey, I hit the mute button.

When was there a bathtub drowning expert? What did they say?

I saw a bathtub drowning exert on her August 18th show. She was excellent.

 

[fifteen89]

I can't believe that if Stacy Peterson were alive and hiding from DP that she would not have shown up by now to claim her children and then go back into hiding. All she would have had to do was give the State a video statement for them to use in court and ask for full custody of her children and then disappear. I think it is a huge hole in defense's theory that she is not available because she is still in hiding. Within the past three years while DP has been jailed she could have come forward to claim her children. She had every right to do so. jmo

ICAM. After their "Stacy who" routine the <modsnip> said they think she's alive. When a reporter said there's been no sign of life the stooglasses said there's no proof she's dead. Hmmmmm.....sounds like another 'no body = no case' theory.

There's been no contact with her own children since she disappeared in 2007, no activity anywhere or any kind suggesting she's alive......but yeah, she's probably on a beach somewhere sipping margaritas with this new guy who hasn't bothered to come forward either. No men I know vanished around that time. Did anyone you know go missing? No one has come forward and said "hey, that guy down the street vanished about the same time as that Stacy Peterson.....do you think they're together?"

 

[fifteen89]

I saw a bathtub drowning exert on her August 18th show. She was excellent.

Oh, I thought they were saying there was one on last night.

 

[AbbieNormal]

Bathtub drowning expert? Please don't tell me I'm like those young-uns that were on the other day and I watched her show but was staring into space and missed a bathtub drowning expert?

I saw her opening listing everything the Judge kept out.

Then she had on Jo-Ellan Dimitrius to talk about the jury colors. I literally lol'd at her saying she thinks the jurors are just having fun and 'it could be a good sign for the defense, it could be a good sign for the prosecution'. Really? Why not also say 'it might not mean a darn thing'?

Then the sharks were on - and FWIW Mrs. Shark said she thinks the jury colors are a good thing. Hubby said he didn't know what it meant, that the jurors "could be mocking us". Ya think?

Someone else (Hosey or one of the lawyers) said the jurors were in court all day Friday and heard 30 minutes of testimony - sat around for 6 hours and were finally dismissed. I don't blame them a bit for coming up with a way to pass the time. Imagine going to work in the morning. The electricity is on and the computers are working fine, but your boss stops everyone 30 minutes into the workday, and has you all sit in another small room for the rest of the day, and then comes in 6 hours later and sends you all home. Oh, and you can't talk to any of your co-workers about work. Now imagine it's a day when none of your regular co-workers are there - they're all substitute/temporary people that you don't know anything about.

Anyway, back to the show.....
Joe Hosey was on talking about his book about DP and his thoughts about the trial so far.

Then it was Mark Fuhrman (former detective) and Jeff Gold and Fred Tecce (both lawyers).

When it came time for her to talk about Casey, I hit the mute button.

When was there a bathtub drowning expert? What did they say?

It was the 8/18 show. The most recent link for the same 8/18 show stopped before the expert was on. An earlier link someone provided had the show in it's entirety. The expert is a drowning expert for past 20 yrs, said she had examined 300 some-odd drowning deaths and said she determined that "X" number were actually homicides made to look like drowning. TOO BAD this expert couldn't have been in on KS's initial "investigation", too bad she wasn't there for the 2nd autopsy, and too bad she wasn't called as an expert witness for this case. If Jeanine Pirro found her, why couldn't the PT have found and called her to testify her expert opinion of the evidence. She laid it out very well in her visit to Jeanine P's show.

abbie:moo:

 

[LambChop]

It was the 8/18 show. The most recent link for the same 8/18 show stopped before the expert was on. An earlier link someone provided had the show in it's entirety. The expert is a drowning expert for past 20 yrs, said she had examined 300 some-odd drowning deaths and said she determined that "X" number were actually homicides made to look like drowning. TOO BAD this expert couldn't have been in on KS's initial "investigation", too bad she wasn't there for the 2nd autopsy, and too bad she wasn't called as an expert witness for this case. If Jeanine Pirro found her, why couldn't the PT have found and called her to testify her expert opinion of the evidence. She laid it out very well in her visit to Jeanine P's show.

abbie:moo:

If defense brings witnesses in to testify that in their opinion it was an accident then why wouldn't the State be able to bring this woman in as a rebuttal witness to defense's argument. I believe they could do that. jmo

 

[AbbieNormal]

If defense brings witnesses in to testify that in their opinion it was an accident then why wouldn't the State be able to bring this woman in as a rebuttal witness to defense's argument. I believe they could do that. jmo

Yes, they could. But will they?

DT would FREAK OUT if someone was added to witness list right now, ya know?

 

[fifteen89]

It was the 8/18 show. The most recent link for the same 8/18 show stopped before the expert was on. An earlier link someone provided had the show in it's entirety. The expert is a drowning expert for past 20 yrs, said she had examined 300 some-odd drowning deaths and said she determined that "X" number were actually homicides made to look like drowning. TOO BAD this expert couldn't have been in on KS's initial "investigation", too bad she wasn't there for the 2nd autopsy, and too bad she wasn't called as an expert witness for this case. If Jeanine Pirro found her, why couldn't the PT have found and called her to testify her expert opinion of the evidence. She laid it out very well in her visit to Jeanine P's show.

abbie:moo:

Hopefully the PT has her or someone equally qualified ready to go in their rebuttal case, depending on what the DT puts on.

Just remembered something Fuhrman said that we all know but he said it soooo well. The killer ALWAYS knows the TOD and knows where and what they were doing during that time frame for their alibi. How many hours did DP coach Stacy about what to say for that time period??

 

[LambChop]

Yes, they could. But will they?

DT would FREAK OUT if someone was added to witness list right now, ya know?

The State can't rebut statements by experts when they do not exactly what they plan to say, or what defense's line of questioning these experts will be so I believe they are entitled to add witnesses as a rebuttal to what the defense witnesses are giving their opinion on. Experts can't argue a point from a defense witness when they have no idea what will be entered into evidence from the defense. This would be the perfect opportunity to put on Dr. Baden and the drowning expert. jmo

 

[panthera]

Fear, a convincing liar and a position with LE that made him seem invincible....just for starters. jmo

And don't forget "untouchable" just as the movie title implied.

Hopefully not much longer.........

 

[Wishbone]

The State can't rebut statements by experts when they do not exactly what they plan to say, or what defense's line of questioning these experts will be so I believe they are entitled to add witnesses as a rebuttal to what the defense witnesses are giving their opinion on. Experts can't argue a point from a defense witness when they have no idea what will be entered into evidence from the defense. This would be the perfect opportunity to put on Dr. Baden and the drowning expert. jmo

It’s my understanding that the State should have had the opportunity to obtain a deposition from the DT’s expert witnesses and vice versa during discovery unless something has changed.
That being the case, the PT should have a good idea as to the testimony that will be given. If the witness tries to testify to something other than what has been disclosed it is subject to objection and the judge will make a ruling on it.

 

[LambChop]

It’s my understanding that the State should have had the opportunity to obtain a deposition from the DT’s expert witnesses and vice versa during discovery unless something has changed.
That being the case, the PT should have a good idea as to the testimony that will be given. If the witness tries to testify to something other than what has been disclosed it is subject to objection and the judge will make a ruling on it.

Rebuttal gives the State a chance to rebut anything defense may bring into evidence. The reason the rebuttal exists is to bring in a witness who will give further evidence that what defense witnesses are saying may not be true. It depends on their testimony. If they open a new door the State is permitted to close it with an expert of their own. jmo

 

[Wishbone]

Rebuttal gives the State a chance to rebut anything defense may bring into evidence. The reason the rebuttal exists is to bring in a witness who will give further evidence that what defense witnesses are saying may not be true. It depends on their testimony. If they open a new door the State is permitted to close it with an expert of their own. jmo

There shouldn't be anything new brought up if it wasn't disclosed during discovery. That's the whole purpose of discovery. No surprises.

 

[LambChop]

There shouldn't be anything new brought up if it wasn't disclosed during discovery. That's the whole purpose of discovery. No surprises.

Well, we will see because somehow it does not always work out that way. I would not put anything past this defense team. The State is entitled to a rebuttal and if defense opens a door the State is entitled to respond.

Has anyone seen the witness list for either side????? jmo