Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #10

[Ruflossn]

I like the Topix site, I just do not like all the ugliness that weaves itself through some ofthe posters comments.

 

[Trino]

I like the Topix site, I just do not like all the ugliness that weaves itself through some ofthe posters comments.

I agree. They also get off topic because they often have so many side arguments. Roy hasn't been making so many comments, which has cut off some four letter words. I really didn't have much confidence that he knew much anyway. I'm wondering if he's resurfaced with another name.

 

[Ruflossn]

I definitely think has posted under another name. I just can't prove it. :furious:

What do you think is the motive for the murder?

 

[txsvicki]

If the POI was involved, he could have either been called to come pick up or perhaps the person who shot was riding around with him. They could have been high and/or drinking and up to no good. When the girls were shot, the driver could have immediately pulled the truck perpindicular or did it on purpose when they saw the girls walking. The shooter could be a local who ducked out of the way when they heard the witnesses coming in their vehicle because he could be recognized and identified. I'd like to know if the truck was seen perpindicular to the girls and which side of it was originally towards the girls. Surely the tire tracks could tell LE that.

 

[Ruflossn]

I think that LE has a lot of info. that they are not releasing.

 

[Claycat]

I think that LE has a lot of info. that they are not releasing.

I think you are right!

I did get a little more, but I'm not sure if it's through me or from me. I will post it in the other thread.

 

[Trino]

I definitely think has posted under another name. I just can't prove it. :furious:

What do you think is the motive for the murder?

I'm sticking with Mark Furhman's idea that the girls saw or encountered something, and I'm thinking it was a mixture of local and non-locals that were involved. What are your ideas?

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm sticking with Mark Furhman's idea that the girls saw or encountered something, and I'm thinking it was a mixture of local and non-locals that were involved. What are your ideas?

Trino, I agree with you completely. Could have they stumbled upon a drug deal or something of that sort? Or perhaps even a murder in progress being a gun was involved...:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Victor]

I said this on page #8 of this subject, and I think it bears repeating to help this case:

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Originally Posted by Victor

"One thing's for sure: The cops preventing the public from knowing the type of guns used is helping the murderers to get away with it. Brilliant idea.

The killers used 2 seperate types of guns. If the public were told what CALIBER guns they were, it would increase the odds of someone turning them in by about 1,000%.

But no, LE wants to keep it a Big Secret. Keeping major clues a secret often helps the murderers stay free & kill more. But the specific authorities in charge probably want to have their "little secrets" so that only they can get the glory of solving this case. Wouldn't want the cops from some other county or agency to steal their chance for fame & hero worship. Problem is, the more time the killers stay free, the bigger the chance that they will get clean away, and commit more murders on innocent people (and possibly more children).

The same thing happened in the BTK case, which kept this psycho on the loose for 30 years. They kept his drawings and other major identifying items of his invisible from the public, including his family, which could have recognized his sketching style, etc & turned him in many years & murders earlier.

Same thing with the Manson murders when they hid the fact that the killers had written "HELTER SKELTER" in the LaBianca's blood on the victims' refrigerator. At least one acquaintance of the Manson Family said if they'd known "HELTER SKELTER" was splashed in blood at the murder, they would have recognized it as The Manson Family's looney handiwork & turned them in right away. Instead they roamed and murdered even more people for another 3 months before Susan Atkins confessed to a cell mate.

Why not tell us what type of guns the Oklahoma child killers used so their friends, family or acquaintances can help turn them in? What HARM could it possibly do? The harm the cops are doing with this tactic is letting the killers escape. I think "Barney Fife" needs to let go of his precious "secrets" so the public can help identify the killers and stop them from killing even more people or kids.

Ya' think?"

OceanBlueEyes mentioned that the cops may be preventing the public from knowing the type of guns used because a bullet could be fired from a gun slightly different than the bullet casing.

True, but this is splitting hairs, and the cops know it. They could tell us what caliber bullets were used- which they know of for sure.

And they could tell us the 2 types of guns most likely used in the murder of the children. Or any slight variations of the gun sizes. The public could then help the police find the killers.

Are the police keeping us all in the dark so only the cops currently assigned the case can save all the glory of arrest for themselves? Probably. But in the meantime, these killers are probably out there killing more children & maybe adults.

I think the public should be more outraged and demand that LE give us more information!

 

[txsvicki]

I remember reading during the btk case that his wife actually saw his copy of a poem that he wrote about Shirley Vian. LE had released that to the public. Mrs. Radar admitted that she questioned him about the poem and he told her that it was for one of his criminal justice classes. Maybe she would have done something if other things were released though.

 

[Trino]

Wow. Go to Topix, Page 210. Simply Sleuthing has put together an excellent scenario of what might have happened.

His idea was that the killer(s) had been at GP's house, and after an argument were so angry they took revenge. Simply Sleuthing does a better job of explaining than my simplified version. I wish I could post it here.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wow. Go to Topix, Page 210. Simply Sleuthing has put together an excellent scenario of what might have happened.

His idea was that the killer(s) had been at GP's house, and after an argument were so angry they took revenge. Simply Sleuthing does a better job of explaining than my simplified version. I wish I could post it here.

While I know that any theory is as good as anyone else's since none of us even really has a snippet of the knowledge or know the evidence in this case but if that was true it seems this would have been known by LE long time ago. When there are links and connections between the killer and victims those cases are solved much faster than those without links at all.

If that were true I think the grandparents of Taylor would be screaming that at the top of their lungs immediately to the cops. Also we know that people go up and down that road and the Placker home and driveway can be seen from this road. As observant as some seem to be there would be those who saw another vehicle at the Placker home. From what we know now there was no one there but Pete and Vicky when the girls went for their walk.

Mr. Placker has stated many times in the media for anyone that knows anything to call police. He says he does not know why or who would do something like this but wants these people caught so other children can be safe.

Imo, PP valued Taylor's life much more than his own and would do anything in order for LE to find Taylor and Skyla's killer.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Victor,

While I do understand your stand on releasing the caliber of the guns used I think it would just bog the investigation down even further.

If these weapons are commonly used for hunting in OK and the cops know that this is right in the middle of hunting country then hundreds, maybe thousands, could have these same type weapons and handguns are also readily owned by others. Since owning a gun is not illegal then I am not sure how that would help the case. They would certainly have to have evidence of some wrongdoing before LE could obtain even one probable cause for a SW to even secure any of these guns. Just owning the same type weapon would not be sufficient.

I do believe most likely these are not rare weapons but most likely commonly used in OK. IMO by releasing that information would yield no results just like the generic white truck (which is the most common color of vehicles on the road) that could be a white Ford or a Chevy.

I want this crime solved badly but I do think LE knows what they are doing in this case and withhold information to protect the evidence.

 

[Mysterylover]

i definitely think has posted under another name. I just can't prove it. :furious:

What do you think is the motive for the murder?

drugs or rage/payback

 

[Sleuthster]

I was looking on my space a couple weeks ago to see if anyone matched the sketch of the guy witnesses saw near the scene that day.

Well I have to share with you that I had a visitor to my myspace yesterday and it was one of the guys that I had looked at the myspace of and it looked like the sketch. http://www.myspace.com/52778166

I have trakzor and it showed that he went to my page so I guess he had trakzor also, it give me the chills that he was checking out my myspace.

 

[Albert18]

I agree with Victor, LE gains nothing by keeping the type of weapons used a secret. On the other hand if released, that info may garner some phone calls from the locals.

Why, when I look at the Brooke Bennett case does it appear like it is being given a moving van treatment while Taylor and Skyla are being given a two men and a truck type of treatment.

 

[Victor]

Albert18 wrote:

"I agree with Victor, LE gains nothing by keeping the type of weapons used a secret. On the other hand if released, that info may garner some phone calls from the locals."

Absolutely, Albert18. The more identifying info we know about these child killers, the better chance we can help to catch them.

On the reverse side, the more details about the murderers that law enforcement keeps secret, the greater the chance that more children will be gunned down in the meantime. Probably not what we want, I'm guessing.

 

[Albert18]

...On the reverse side, the more details about the murderers that law enforcement keeps secret, the greater the chance that more children will be gunned down in the meantime. Probably not what we want, I'm guessing.

This is a very good point.

LE did an outstanding job in the Eve Carson case and I have no doubt that investigation saved lives. It is likely those two would have killed again. In fact I believe one of them is thought to have been involved in the earlier killing of the Duke student so if that investigation had gone better, Eve might still be alive.

I would rate this case as more difficult then the Eve Carson case but not nearly as difficult as the Irina Yarmolenko case.


I'm now starting to wonder if the quiet on this case means they are discounting the POI.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Albert18 wrote:

"I agree with Victor, LE gains nothing by keeping the type of weapons used a secret. On the other hand if released, that info may garner some phone calls from the locals."

Absolutely, Albert18. The more identifying info we know about these child killers, the better chance we can help to catch them.

On the reverse side, the more details about the murderers that law enforcement keeps secret, the greater the chance that more children will be gunned down in the meantime. Probably not what we want, I'm guessing.

Then maybe I am just not understanding why revealing the type of weapons used would help catch them?

I am almost positive these aren't unique weapons at all. Now if they were and only a few on the market or if a specialized bullet was used then that may narrow it down some in the state but if they are common weapons/bullets that most gun owners have then why would the revealing of the weapon assist LE? I am sure since LE has stated that they have done 100s of interviews the question and verifications of what weapons they possessed were evaluated by LE, just like when they investigated the three boys who were shooting that day 3 miles away and found that they were using a shotgun which did not correspond with the weapon used in the crime which is a semi-automatic or an automatic gun according to Mrs. Kelough's description imo.

I don't think other children are at risk from these child killers. I think he/they are too busy hiding out trying to lay low and unseen.

imoo

 

[Albert18]

They rip on ole' Roy over on Topix but he has had his theory out there for a few weeks now.

His theory basically matches what just happened in the Brooke Bennett murder.