Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #10

[Trino]

They rip on ole' Roy over on Topix but he has had his theory out there for a few weeks now.

His theory basically matches what just happened in the Brooke Bennett murder.

Roy is a troll. He may give opinions, but he gets them from other forums. He left Topix for a few days, and Topix was a logical place. I think her reinvented himself as Buds. However, he's now back as Roy with the same vulgarity.

I just don't think the girl(s) were being abused.

I agree the weapon types should be made public. There are people who could very well recognize that so-and-so had one or both of those guns. Even if the killer(s) is not local, someone must have an inkling that they know the killer(s), and public info about the weapons could encourage someone to come forward with this info. Each of these killers has relationships with other people.

 

[philamena]

SNIP
On the reverse side, the more details about the murderers that law enforcement keeps secret, the greater the chance that more children will be gunned down in the meantime. Probably not what we want, I'm guessing.

Daggone right.
Is LE willing to take the chance of more children being murdered?:waitasec:

On the other hand, maybe LE knows exactly who did it.

Maybe that's why no arrest have been made.

Maybe LE is waiting for forensics.
Too many maybe's I know.
I pray every day an arrest is made in this case.

 

[Albert18]

I think if the girls were killed because of abuse they probably would have disappeared like Brooke.

An important question is did they die because of who they were or because of where they were?

I think it was who.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think if the girls were killed because of abuse they probably would have disappeared like Brooke.

An important question is did they die because of who they were or because of where they were?

I think it was who.

That is a very astute question, Albert. I am beginning to believe it was where and possibly who they were .....which was two young vulnerable targets walking alone on a dirt road.

I really wasn't trying to belabor the issue about releasing what weapons were used. I just did not understand the theory. Maybe I am missing something here.

It just seems like to me if someone thinks they know this POI then they wouldn't need to know the caliber of the weapons. Only that this particular person, they think they recognize as the POI.... is known to have or own weapons.

imo

 

[GetSmart]

JMO.. Either LE knows who it is and or they are incarcerated, Or for some reason they know there is no danger for the public. It is the only thing I can come up with. It just seems if an unpredictable child killer was loose in rural Oklahoma there would be a lot more noise out there.

 

[KR2tonenow]

What's going on with this case, shall we say cold, brrrrr??

 

[oceanblueeyes]

JMO.. Either LE knows who it is and or they are incarcerated, Or for some reason they know there is no danger for the public. It is the only thing I can come up with. It just seems if an unpredictable child killer was loose in rural Oklahoma there would be a lot more noise out there.

I am not so sure they would, GetSmart. When Shasta and Dylan were kidnapped and their family murdered, the story ran non stop including showing their photos over and over and over. Yet when Natalee's case hit just 2 weeks later and they had not yet been found the media dropped it like a rock and did not even pick it up again until it was known that Duncan had taken Shasta back to Denny's in her hometown and the children had been with him for 7 weeks yet 5 weeks of that time they showed no photos of the still missing children knowing they were in extreme danger.

Some of the local area news has tried to keep it going and the ones that do always, every time , without fail, put the sketch and description up again. So imo OSBI is still very much searching for this POI.

The national media goes onto the next big case.......like Brooke Bennett, Megan Touma and now the freed hostages.

So I am not shocked this case has dropped from sight although I do believe it is being throughly worked on everyday by LE.

imoo

 

[Victor]

oceanblueeyes wrote,
"Then maybe I am just not understanding why revealing the type of weapons used would help catch them?"

ANY time any identifying details about these child-killers is known, as long as they are still running around free, the public should be notified. To do anything less, is completely irresponsible & potentially deadly for the public.

oceanblueeyes wrote,
I am almost positive these aren't unique weapons at all. Now if they were and only a few on the market or if a specialized bullet was used then that may narrow it down some in the state but if they are common weapons/bullets that most gun owners have then why would the revealing of the weapon assist LE?"

OceanBlueEyes: If LE used that logic, they wouldn't have released the descripton of what the POI looks like either. Too many people have pony tails. Too many people wear baseball caps. And thin males are not rare at all. Also, Native Americans are too common in that area, so why let the public know that the POI has those characteristics? Do you see where I'm going?

Why tell the public the POI was driving a small white truck? According to your logic, that's too common of a truck, so it would just hamper the investigation.

No, the more identifying info the public has on the child-killers, the higher the probability that someone will recognize them and their behaviour, travel plans, blood stains, etc.

oceanblueeyes wrote,

"I don't think other children are at risk from these child killers. I think he/they are too busy hiding out trying to lay low and unseen."

Those words probably wouldn't be very comforting to the victims that these child-killers are probably murdering as we speak.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes wrote,
"Then maybe I am just not understanding why revealing the type of weapons used would help catch them?"

ANY time any identifying details about these child-killers is known, as long as they are still running around free, the public should be notified. To do anything less, is completely irresponsible & potentially deadly for the public.

oceanblueeyes wrote,
I am almost positive these aren't unique weapons at all. Now if they were and only a few on the market or if a specialized bullet was used then that may narrow it down some in the state but if they are common weapons/bullets that most gun owners have then why would the revealing of the weapon assist LE?"

OceanBlueEyes: If LE used that logic, they wouldn't have released the description of what the POI looks like either. Too many people have pony tails. Too many people wear baseball caps. And thin males are not rare at all. Also, Native Americans are too common in that area, so why let the public know that the POI has those characteristics? Do you see where I'm going?

Why tell the public the POI was driving a small white truck? According to your logic, that's too common of a truck, so it would just hamper the investigation.

No, the more identifying info the public has on the child-killers, the higher the probability that someone will recognize them and their behavior, travel plans, blood stains, etc.

oceanblueeyes wrote,

"I don't think other children are at risk from these child killers. I think he/they are too busy hiding out trying to lay low and unseen."

Those words probably wouldn't be very comforting to the victims that these child-killers are probably murdering as we speak.

Well I do believe we would have heard about another strange shooting of young children in a month's time, don't you? I mean this one hit the airwaves almost as quickly as it happened due to the crimes being against young children.

So I see no evidence that this has been repeated. I do think it is much more logical,at least I think so, like most criminals, this POI is laying low to avoid detection and fleeing to avoid prosecution.

Maybe you are right and I just can't grasp the concept. I am certainly not trying to be antagonistic just not understanding exactly how this will help arrest this man.

I do not agree that the composite looks like a generic NA. The sketch detail imo is very specific and there are several witnesses that saw this POI that day. The artist said each one of them were there that day with him so that means multiple people in one community thinks he is not a vague non descript NA but one that looks like the sketch. I saw many of the funeral photos for each girl and there were NAs there at both of them. None looked like this male, most of the ones I saw did have the ponytail but they were much heavier with fuller faces, so to me he is unique with his own detailed features imo. Even though they don't know this man or his name I do think their visualization of him will turn out to be very similar to the POI when he is caught and I do believe in due time he will become comfortable again and venture out and will be caught.

I also guess it also has something to do with me never hearing the police before coming out with a description of the weapon used in any crime when describing or looking for a POI or suspect. Many times the type of weapon used is not even revealed until the trial.

imoo

 

[GetSmart]

Not sure where to post this but I do find it interesting. I will also put a link in the psycic thread. Someone did a chart..

Two Girls Murdered in Oklahoma


Someone did a chart..
Murder of Two Girls in Weleetka, Oklahoma
Sunday, June 8, 2008 Weleetka, OK
time found: around 5:30 pm in a ditch on a dirt road
Left 20-25 minutes earlier: walking on an isolated dirt path to a bridge where people meet, deal drugs, play, etc.

Scorpio Rising will rule Murder, Revenge, Paranoia, Debt & Money Owed.

This is multiplied ten fold by Scorpio's House. The 8th House is loaded with the conjunction of Sun, Venus & MercuryRX in Gemini. The Sun-Venus conjunction is to the degree. Venus rules girls. It also rules the Descendant which could describe the victims. Gemini rules Twins so it's interesting that two girls were murdered. This could also indicate more than one murderer.

Furthermore, Gemini is on the cusp of the 8th House. This could indicate multiple motives for murder, murder due to bad words and miscommunications, or also a random murder and mistaken identity. Ruler of the 8th House is very powerful but also Retrograde. Retrogrades are sometimes said to bring people from the past back into one's life. This coupled with presence in the house of revenge seems to be saying something about that theme. More at link good read
http://outthecometsass.blogspot.com/2008/06/two-girls-murdered-in-oklahoma.html

 

[Patience]

JMO.. Either LE knows who it is and or they are incarcerated, Or for some reason they know there is no danger for the public. It is the only thing I can come up with. It just seems if an unpredictable child killer was loose in rural Oklahoma there would be a lot more noise out there.

I do believe the police know who killed Skyla and Taylor and that they are just waiting for the forensics. I also believe 2 people will be arrested, a man for killing and a woman for keeping quiet about it all.

 

[Mysterylover]

Could it be LE is being told by witnesses they saw one vehicle and one man. No other vehicle traffic was seen during the timeframe they are concerned with.

Looking at the crime scene, LE thinks the crime involved at least two people. But they can't get two people to the crime scene.

Could this be why they keep going back and canvassing the area and why they brought in the dog.

Good points....
Let's hope LE was sharp enough to look for "shell casings" near the Bridge in case these guns had been fired near the Bridge recently.

To leave no stone unturned,
Maybe LE should check the home area's/yards of the 5 boys in the truck,
person on the ATV and the teenager that T. told on for drugs, yards/fields for shell casings that might match the killers guns.....

Just to make sure the 1 witness isn't covering for the 5 witnesses...jmo

 

[Ruflossn]

I do believe the police know who killed Skyla and Taylor and that they are just waiting for the forensics. I also believe 2 people will be arrested, a man for killing and a woman for keeping quiet about it all.

Patience~
I really hope you are right about the police knowing who did this. I wonder if the reason this is taking so long, is because the police are waiting on DNA evidence? I also would not be surprised if a woman is helping the murderer hide out. Stranger things have definitely happened in other cases.

 

[Ruflossn]

Good points....

To leave no stone unturned,
Maybe LE should check the home area's/yards of the 5 boys in the truck,
person on the ATV and the teenager that T. told on for drugs, yards/fields for shell casings that might match the killers guns.....

Just to make sure the 1 witness isn't covering for the 5 witnesses...jmo

ML~
I think LE did check the kids and that is why they have been cleared. I think one of the first things LE did was check the guns they kids had been using. I also wonder if the kids may be some of the witnesses LE refers to from time to time.............

 

[Victor]

JMO.. Either LE knows who it is and or they are incarcerated, Or for some reason they know there is no danger for the public. It is the only thing I can come up with. It just seems if an unpredictable child killer was loose in rural Oklahoma there would be a lot more noise out there.

Yes, but the scary thing would be that maybe LE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE who did this. I get the funny feeling they are totally lost. The fact that they have no suspects and no arrests says it all. They need to stop hiding all this info they have on the killers so the public can help find them & turn them in.:behindbar

 

[Mysterylover]

I'm not sure I understand how pulling the truck perpindicular to the road would have shielded the bodies from view.

If the girls were visible and two-five feet apart, someone could have driven past and seen them front on or either by looking back in their rear view mirror.
I think there's a local involved and LE knows it. Hopefully this won't be one of those cases where's there's not enough evidence to satisfy some DA in order to file charges.

IF the witnesses did NOT see the girls, while the POI was standing beside the truck says to me:
1. Already ambushed both girls, & possibly dead

2. Someone was holding the girls, in the bushes, trees, field a short distance away from road, for some reason, then walks them to the road, this monster puts the pistol under their chin and shoots..because the girls did NOT tell him what he wanted to know.

The question I keep repeating is: WHY the over-kill?....

Seems the POI was standing/sitting near the truck for a while...
which leads me to believe he came there for a reason, and was WAITING there for a reason/ or someone....
or out of the truck because he had just murdered the girls......jmo

 

[Trino]

IF the witnesses did NOT see the girls, while the POI was standing beside the truck says to me:
1. Already ambushed both girls, & possibly dead

2. Someone was holding the girls, in the bushes, trees, field a short distance away from road, for some reason, then walks them to the road, this monster puts the pistol under their chin and shoots..because the girls did NOT tell him what he wanted to know.

The question I keep repeating is: WHY the over-kill?....

Seems the POI was standing/sitting near the truck for a while...
which leads me to believe he came there for a reason, and was WAITING there for a reason/ or someone....
or out of the truck because he had just murdered the girls......jmo

As to holding the girls, this apparently is not part of the scenario. LE has said that everything indicates the girls were doing nothing but walking along the road. There were no footprints indicating the girls were running or that someone else was walking with them.

The first witness stated he/she saw the girls walking along and saw the truck on the same road.

Good question: why the overkill?

 

[Littledeer]

The first witness stated he/she saw the girls walking along and saw the truck on the same road.

According to the Tulsa World article written on 6/12/08 this is what it said:

Authorities on Thursday were interviewing a person who they said saw two Weleetka area girls just minutes before they were shot and killed on the side of a dirt road.

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Ben Rosser said authorities believe the witness is credible and that they don't believe he was involved in the shootings.

Asked if the witness saw anyone or any vehicles nearby at the time he saw the girls walking on the road, Rosser declined comment.

I believe this is the "last witness" and this witness saw the girls, truck and the POI. What is interesting, is the fact that when questioned if the witness saw any vehicles, no comment was made.

Why?? It's not like Rosser needed to protect this witness since no name was given out. I've been wondering about this and still haven't found anything that tells me the reason why Rosser didn't say everything that this witness saw.

 

[Trino]

I still have problems with someone driving by and being able to tell the color of his eyes.

 

[Snowlover77]

According to the Tulsa World article written on 6/12/08 this is what it said:



I believe this is the "last witness" and this witness saw the girls, truck and the POI. What is interesting, is the fact that when questioned if the witness saw any vehicles, no comment was made.

Why?? It's not like Rosser needed to protect this witness since no name was given out. I've been wondering about this and still haven't found anything that tells me the reason why Rosser didn't say everything that this witness saw.

Could be because the police are protecting this witness. Just because the name of the witness is not released doesn't mean LE needs to release anything that could scare opff the perp...sounds to me like this PIOI is still in the area and LE is waiting further test on something.