Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #11

[YellowDog]

And were they walking toward the bridge or away from the bridge when they were shot?
Is that known?

 

[FLtwinmom]

FlowerChild- Thank you for your clear explaination, it helps a lot.

 

[fran]

A closer look at the records indicates the man from Phoenix and the man from Gore are not the same man.
The Oklahoma man has a DOB of December 30, 1960 and was listed as living in Gore on October 14, 1999. His traffic offense occurred June 18, of 1989. His initial appearance was August 7 of 1989 and he was arraigned on August 9.
Since Fritz was incarcerated in AZ in 1999, he could not have been residing in Oklahoma. Also, Fritz DOB is November 7 of 1961.
The man in OK has middle initial "C," like the AZ man, however, a further search of area records indicates the "C" does not stand for Charles, but probably for Christopher. There is nothing in the records to indicate extradition, warrants, or a temporary release that would link these two individuals

Sorry to throw a wrench into that angle, but it doesn't seem to jive, at least IMO.

Thank you for the information. I guess that settles it then.

fran

 

[SeriouslySearching]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not even sure what I think happened at this point. I did want to mention something though. I know people have discussed previously the thought that maybe one or both of the girls were going to tell about being molested. Anyone who mentioned that seemed to be flamed because the families appear very loving and caring. The thing I wanted to bring up was that if there was molestation, it doesn't mean it was by family! It could have been by any number of people who aren't related. Just a thought to bring up another angle in a way that may not get flamed.

I think you are right that we need to keep an open mind about that theory. As more and more things come out in the Brooke Bennett case, we can see that veil of secrecy can exist for years no matter how bad the abuses are. While it may or may not be possible of the family, it is something to consider in this case. The girls were both in the same age frame as the perps' choice for victims. Sexual abuse happens in 1-4 children.

A SO will take drastic measures to avoid jailtime. Could the perp have abused one or both of them at a different time and decided he needed to silence them? Yes and it would make this perp even harder to find unless he has a record already or someone names him.

I would like to know who the girls were around the last month before their deaths. Uncles, cousins, other men in general, etc. I can't recall who kept asking that question before. It is a good one.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

And were they walking toward the bridge or away from the bridge when they were shot?
Is that known?

According to reports from the OSBI, they were assumed to be walking away from the bridge.

 

[Claycat]

And were they walking toward the bridge or away from the bridge when they were shot?
Is that known?

They had already been to the bridge and were on their way home.

Many of us believe they were shot from the front, but, honestly, I don't remember if that information has been confirmed.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

They had already been to the bridge and were on their way home.

Many of us believe they were shot from the front, but, honestly, I don't remember if that information has been confirmed.

Wasn't it stated shot in the chest and head?

 

[Claycat]

Wasn't it stated shot in the chest and head?

That's right, Tom's Girl! Doh!

 

[justathought]

Thanks for the feedback and checking the "bodies" that turnup in a radius..
Question still. I believe we know there was a license plate on the truck..Oklahoma. Do we? Do we know if it was the Native American style plate popular in Oklahoma (I think you have to be descended from a tribe to get one) or just the regular plate. We see them sometimes around here and I noticed the prelavency last year when in Oklahoma. Now that I'm thinking about it, though, I'm not sure they were on trucks..........maybe someone from Oklahoma knows.

 

[GetSmart]

Well with this new Ramsey news & the statement made in regards to new ways to test DNA called "touch DNA / Testing) maybe there is hope after all

 

[YellowDog]

Has it ever come out whether the bodies were lying face up or face down in the ditch?
It seems to me, if they were walking back toward the house and shot from the front that they would have fallen backwards from the blow of the shots and would have seen their shooters. If shot from the back, they probably would have fallen face down into the ground from the blow and might never have seen anyone.

 

[YellowDog]

Also, has it ever been published how far the shooters were from them when they were shot? This might be a clue as to whether they knew the shooters or not and felt safe enough to be close to them on the road.

 

[Claycat]

Has it ever come out whether the bodies were lying face up or face down in the ditch?
It seems to me, if they were walking back toward the house and shot from the front that they would have fallen backwards from the blow of the shots and would have seen their shooters. If shot from the back, they probably would have fallen face down into the ground from the blow and might never have seen anyone.

It's an odd thing that, often when people are shot from the front, they pitch forward. The girls were found face down.

 

[Claycat]

Yellow Dog, I don't think they have ever said how close the shooters were to the girls.

 

[FlowerChild]

They had already been to the bridge and were on their way home.

Many of us believe they were shot from the front, but, honestly, I don't remember if that information has been confirmed.

OSBI/LE said chest and head. The ME said FACE and CHEST.

As to where the girls were, one witness saw them "minutes" before they were shot and they were walking toward Taylor's house from the direction of the bridge. Nobody has come forward that saw them AT/ON them bridge but footprints etc lead LE to conclude they did make it to the bridge and were on their way back home when seen by the witness.

The crime scene is only 300 yards from Taylor's driveway these girls died with sight of "home". Taylor was left lying almost in the road. Depending on how far the brush along the road hung over the ditch, Taylor could very well have been visible from her driveway. Taylor was a few feet closer to the house than Skyla was - that could mean she was walking ahead of Skyla or approached the killer while Skyla hung back a few feet. Skyla was about 3-5' further off the road and about 5' to one side of Taylor on the side toward the bridge - both of them fell with their heads toward the road. The casings or footprint I saw marked by CSI in the video were lying just a few feet out into the road - there is no doubt in my mind that the Killer(s) looked Skyla and Taylor in the eyes/face and shot them at very close range - quickly. Neither of them even had time to run, or turn away.

If a teenager did this then he's a sociopath - this was ugly - bloody, noisy, and right in the killer(s) face. The Killer(s) would literally have heard Taylor and Skyla's last breath and watched them die, up close and personal. And this was within sight of Taylor's HOUSE and the road was fairly busy - but this didn't miss a beat or hesitate. It takes a sick, cold monster to kill two angels this way and normal teenagers from the "area" - nervous, not hardened to the reality of a person dying violently in front of them would probably not have had the presence of mind to get away after - or keep their mouths shut for more than a month.This wasn't like a Video Game or TV, this was real - with real blood and real sounds and real death - can't pause or mute reality if it gets too intense.

My Opinion

 

[Claycat]

Yes, Flower Child, I also believe they shot the girls up close and personal.

 

[YellowDog]

It's an odd thing that, often when people are shot from the front, they pitch forward. The girls were found face down.

That's interesting Claycat. I would think, if shot in the chest, they might lunge forward but, if shot directly in the head, it seems like it would throw them backwards. I still think it's strange that the grandfather didn't hear anything. I could understand not hearing one shot, but a series of shots would be hard to miss. Maybe they had silencers on the guns but I doubt it.

 

[Claycat]

That's interesting Claycat. I would think, if shot in the chest, they might lunge forward but, if shot directly in the head, it seems like it would throw them backwards. I still think it's strange that the grandfather didn't hear anything. I could understand not hearing one shot, but a series of shots would be hard to miss. Maybe they had silencers on the guns but I doubt it.

YellowDog, I believe that they were sprayed with a semi-automatic weapon while they were standing. I think the shooter that shot them in the head got out of the vehicle and shot them in the head after they had already fallen. It was a kill shot to finish the job.

 

[Ruflossn]

Hi Everyone! Hi Claycat!

I do not think someone was disposing of a body. I can not imagine someone doing that on a Sunday afternoon. Maybe, I am thinking to rational like a "normal' person but, dumping a body on a semi-busy road on a Sunday afternoon makes no since to me. JMO.

Claycat~
I wondered if you had any more feelings or ideas about this? Especially a possible motive? I am still stumped.

 

[Claycat]

Hi Everyone! Hi Claycat!

Claycat~
I wondered if you had any more feelings or ideas about this? Especially a possible motive? I am still stumped.

Hi Ruflossn!

Motive seems to be the thing that escapes me the most. My original feeling was that it was payback of some sort, but I'm not sure.