Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #11

[Tom'sGirl]

Oh thank you so much for that link. That still lines up with what I have been saying. Only one saw him.

Ocean, please dont think I am trying to be the one who is right. It makes no difference to me who is right as long as we get our facts straight. I am one who hates to argue, but I just know to stay on track, we need to stick together to try to keep our facts straight. There is so much heresay around, even on some media. I am more than open to anything anyone can show me that was actually stated by LE, especially OSBI.

You're welcome fjf.

Ocean has been a Forum poster here, and elsewhere for many years, and I will say she is very informed on several cases and like me has a darn good memory

 

[Ruflossn]

Wow, so much info. yet so many holes in the story. I wish we knew the time line and I wish we could hear the 911 tape. I am curious if the gpa knew immediately the girls were dead or was just calling to get medical help ASAP. The reasoning is, I would like to know his tone of voice. For the record, I do not think the Gpa is involved in the deaths of the girls.

 

[evelyn24]

There is also an interview with the sketch artist who uses the term witnesses (plural) when talking about how he came up with the sketch of the poi in this case.

I don't know how many people came forward who saw the poi, but I do believe it's more than one person.

 

[Claycat]

Hi! I just went back and watched the press conference where Jessica Brown was talking about the witnesses. She said they had several witnesses who saw the POI and several witnesses who heard the gunshots. A press member asked her if she knew how many witnesses total there were. She said, "not more than half a dozen combined". That means there were around six witnesses, but not all of the witnesses saw the POI. Only some of them did. She never gave a specific number of the witnesses who actually saw the man in the drawing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I guess anything is possible. That's why this is so hard to figure out. I do know that I have seen some reporters actually get the facts messed up. Like the one a couple of days ago, said one of the girls lived a uh (pause) a couple of blocks from where they were found. And that it happened on June 1.
We need a page on here to put facts and the links to them so we could go back to them. That could help us all, don't you think? Is it possible to do that, as we post links to osbi reports? I don't really rely on media who is repeating something they heard or may have previously reported. Anyone is subject to error. I think it's just more important to people who are sleuthing

Yes I do agree but we didn't have a forum for this case until weeks after so therefore all the media articles, videos and transcript links aren't included in our Media sticky thread. We have tried to put them in the media and video threads since the date the forum was created for this case.

The only one witness that I remember was the person who said they saw the girls before the murder happened, isn't that right....it is just one witnesses that we know of?

imoo

 

[evelyn24]

Hi! I just went back and watched the press conference where Jessica Brown was talking about the witnesses. She said they had several witnesses who saw the POI and several witnesses who heard the gunshots. A press member asked her if she knew how many witnesses total there were. She said, "not more than half a dozen combined". That means there were around six witnesses, but not all of the witnesses saw the POI. Only some of them did. She never gave a specific number of the witnesses who actually saw the man in the drawing.

Thank you, CC.
I know the term 'witnesses' has been used by LE in connection to the POI sketch since it was released.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh thank you so much for that link. That still lines up with what I have been saying. Only one saw him.

Ocean, please don't think I am trying to be the one who is right. It makes no difference to me who is right as long as we get our facts straight. I am one who hates to argue, but I just know to stay on track, we need to stick together to try to keep our facts straight. There is so much heresay around, even on some media. I am more than open to anything anyone can show me that was actually stated by LE, especially OSBI.

LOL Well you are going to be aggravated with me but the presser linked above is not the last presser where she commented on the amount of witnesses that saw the POI.
This one was done on June 14th. The one I remember was probably done at the end of June or one of the last PCs she did.

But anywho........I will refrain.

imoo

 

[Claycat]

Ocean, I was just listening to some of the press conferences again. In the one dated June 12, Ben Rosser said they had a witness come forward who said they saw the girls shortly before they were shot.

A press member asked him if the witness had seen anyone else or had any names. Rosser said "no names". The press member said "no names, but did the witness SEE anyone else?". Rosser said he wouldn't answer that. So it appears as if the same witness who saw the girls also saw someone else. I had not realized that before.

 

[FlowerChild]

About the Sketch Artist Harvey Pratt My Own Earlier Post
I have been researching the OSBI sketch artist Harvey Pratt. He is an experienced investigator, LE Officer, and a retired Asst Director of the OSBI as well as an artist so he does know how to question a witness to determine if they are being truthful or just "making things up". Harvey has worked on many NATIONAL cases, does all sorts of very difficult projects that challenge most sketch artists and also creates forensic reconstructions from skulls. He is a well known Native American Artist and honored Elder in his Tribe. He designed the OSBI Seal as well as their patches and badges.

There are several examples of many major cases solved from his eerily accurate sketches and missing persons ID'd from his forensic reconstructions on his web site and he is in demand as a speaker and educator on the subject - including how to conduct an eye witness interview. The FBI has consulted him and he has done work for them - including forensic reconstructions in the Green River Killer case.

I believe he is certain the POI in this case exists and that his sketch is accurate. Being Native American himself he would not make the POI NA, if he wasn't visibly NA - he would understand and illustrate any non NA traits that might confuse other artists - that the POI sketch done by Pratt is obviously NA in appearance means Pratt believes he is NA in appearance, if not ethnicity. IMO Pratt is not someone who has no experience at this and would "fall for" a made up POI story. The OSBI seems confident as well that this person does exist and knows "something". I assume at this point that the case will hinge on locating the POI - and the sketch will be proven accurate....frightenly so.
Here is Harvey Pratt's Web Site - very very interesting.
My Opinion
http://www.harveypratt.com/index.php

Authorities on Thursday were interviewing a person who they said saw two Weleetka area girls just minutes before they were shot and killed on the side of a dirt road. Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Ben Rosser said authorities believe the witness is credible and that they don't believe he was involved in the shootings.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_12_WELEE73577

In this interview (watch the video, the statement is ON the Video, not in the written summary) it is stated in the video that Pratt interviewed SEVERAL WITNESSES to do the sketch.
http://www.koco.com/news/16724023/detail.html

In review
Witnesses we know about:
There are SEVERAL witnesses that saw the POI, One witness that saw the girls minutes before they were killed (and may also have seen the POI) and two witnesses that heard the shots

My Opinion

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You're welcome fjf.

Ocean has been a Forum poster here, and elsewhere for many years, and I will say she is very informed on several cases and like me has a darn good memory

Why thank you. I must be slipping however because I sure would have sworn that I heard her saw six witnesses when they ask her about the POI.

I am very devoted however I am not infallible though. Darn it!:doh:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, I was just listening to some of the press conferences again. In the one dated June 12, Ben Rosser said they had a witness come forward who said they saw the girls shortly before they were shot.

A press member asked him if the witness had seen anyone else or had any names. Rosser said "no names". The press member said "no names, but did the witness SEE anyone else?". Rosser said he wouldn't answer that. So it appears as if the same witness who saw the girls also saw someone else. I had not realized that before.

Hmm, wow that sure seems to be the case doesn't it?

imoo

 

[Ruflossn]

I am wondering if there could have been a vehicle with 2 or more people in it, they drive down the road, pass the girls walking, they continue driving, pass the white pick-up. Later, after the news comes out about the murders, they realize what they have seen and call LE.
This case has both eye witnesses and ear witnesses. Wonder when LE refers to witnesses they are referring to both types?

 

[GetSmart]

That was the same one I posted wasn't it?

This kinda relates to ?? that have been asked in the last couple of post on the other page I think.

This is why the 911 tape is not being released.
The OSBI says it planned on releasing the 911 call made after the girls were discovered, but after talking with the families decided not to, saying it did not want them to have to relive that moment
http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8500287

Investigators combed the area in search of the girls Sunday night before heavy rain hit. Fresh tire tracks made a U-turn where the girls' bodies were. Investigators said they found other evidence that helped them identify a "person of interest.”
This was never released was it?
http://newsok.com/article/3255283/


Choate said officers were able to identify some possible tire tracks, and they had some "persons of interest” they were interviewing Monday. But as the day came to a close, none of those interviews had solved the case. http://www.newsok.com/article/3255279

Witness Emerges In Case
Investigators look into a witness account that he saw the girls moments before their deaths. A state agent said a witness came forward and reported seeing the girls near the scene where they were shot to death on Sunday.
Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation lead agent Ben Rosser said they tested the witness' story and believe him to be credible. During a Thursday news conference, Rosser said that the witness offered no names of people he might have seen in the area.
Rosser added that he would rather not say whether the witness offered descriptions of people in the area.

http://www.koco.com/news/16589907/detail.html

I could not find the post that explained about it taking the one witness so long but I remember it saying something like he had an albi or good reason for not being able to come forth earlier

 

[Ruflossn]

Claycat,

I saw where Roy at TOPIX stated that some of the marijuana around there is referred to as "skunk". Did that ring true with what you saw when you were meditating? Maybe the theory that the girls were killed by a drug dealer would align with your thoughts and the skunk? So many maybe's....................

 

[Claycat]

I am wondering if there could have been a vehicle with 2 or more people in it, they drive down the road, pass the girls walking, they continue driving, pass the white pick-up. Later, after the news comes out about the murders, they realize what they have seen and call LE.
This case has both eye witnesses and ear witnesses. Wonder when LE refers to witnesses they are referring to both types?

Hi Ruflossn!

Yes, they are referring to both types. Jessica Brown said there were several witnesses who heard the shots and several witnesses who saw the POI. The press tried to pin her down on an exact number. She said there were no more than half a dozen witnesses combined.

 

[FlowerChild]

The Okfuskee County Sheriff’s Office arrived at the scene shortly after the 9-1-1 call made by a family member of Placker’s. The sheriff requested OSBI help with the investigation. Since then, more than a dozen OSBI special agents have been assigned to the case and have run on hundreds of leads. During the many interviews conducted by agents, several people revealed they saw a Native American male near where the girls were killed. He was standing outside a pickup truck described as a white Ford or Chevy, single cab truck with a narrow strip of chrome down the side. The truck had an Oklahoma license tag. Witnesses described the man as Native American – possibly part Caucasian -- with a long pony tail. He is approximately 6 feet tall with a slender build. OSBI Forensic Artist Harvey Pratt met with the witnesses and has drawn a composite sketch of the person. OSBI believes he was at the scene minutes before the two girls were shot and killed. Agents want to interview him for possible leads in the case.​

During the early stages of the investigation, OSBI learned two different caliber weapons were used on both girls. That could indicate two or more shooters are involved. OSBI agents and investigators with the sheriff’s office and district attorney’s office have interviewed hundreds of people and are in the process of re-interviewing family members to determine if they can remember anything more.


Rest at this link

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-06-17_Okfuskee_Co._Murder_Synopsis.html
​

 

[Claycat]

Claycat,

I saw where Roy at TOPIX stated that some of the marijuana around there is referred to as "skunk". Did that ring true with what you saw when you were meditating? Maybe the theory that the girls were killed by a drug dealer would align with your thoughts and the skunk? So many maybe's....................

We probably should talk about that here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66490&page=6

 

[Ruflossn]

I could not find the post that explained about it taking the one witness so long but I remember it saying something like he had an albi or good reason for not being able to come forth earlier

Get Smart,
I remember that also. I thought that was such strange wording.

 

[FlowerChild]

Hi Ruflossn!

Yes, they are referring to both types. Jessica Brown said there were several witnesses who heard the shots and several witnesses who saw the POI. The press tried to pin her down on an exact number. She said there were no more than half a dozen witnesses combined.

I believe later interviews revealed MORE witnesses, I think they have more than a half-dozen now, based on press releases from the OSBI.

My Opinion

 

[Ruflossn]

We probably should talk about that here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66490&page=6

Oops, sorry. You are right.